Consequences of The China Plague. Another riposte to Zturd and other news.
See this. All of my advice broadly remains the same but recent events have underscored the increased importance of electoral politics. The strategy outlined in the linked post mostly should remain the same except a significantly greater emphasis should be placed on electoral politics, and that change is most salient in the case of a Trump victory.
After all, in the Trump loss scenario, I already stress the importance of electoral politics, although even there it should be stressed more than what I have previously discussed. But in the Trump victory scenario I de-emphasized electoral politics, at least to a relative extent, and I am considering whether that needs to change in light of The China Plague and its possible consequences.
There’s a good possibility that White Americans (and of course Europeans as well) are going to be more skeptical of globalism, more open to border control, less welcoming to foreigners, less patient with the type of hysterical SJWism that considers hurt Asian feelings more of a priority than dead White Americans, more anti-Chinese, more open to economic populism, more desperate and willing to listen to alternative voices.
The shattered landscape that may result from this, the illness and death, the wrecked economy and resultant mass economic dislocation, the unemployment, the bitterness, the demand for answers and accountability – and the easy connection of the tragedy to multiracial globalism – are all part of a fertile ground for right-wing populism. Trump or no Trump, this needs to be ruthlessly exploited. Unfortunately the majority of the Far Right is ill-suited to do so, as it is actually promoting paradigms the opposite of what is needed, it promotes China worship, blaming White Americans, bizarre HBD theories, coronavirus denial, and blaming the response to The China Plague for the all of the damage.
Der Right in its broadest sense is self-destructing, but there are healthy elements within it. Some are racial nationalist. Some are – and I have to admit it – civic nationalist (Carlson for example). The proper response will have to come from these healthy sectors of the Right.
Maybe Tucker Carlson should run for office. Tucker, it’s not enough to criticize the political class and the media, you need to focus your attention to those on the Right, including and especially the HBDers, who literally worship China and the Chinese. And don’t criticize “identity politics” per se. It’s here to stay – time for Whites to practice it. That, by the way, is what the HBDers really fear, with certain Levantine HBD aliens asserting that White nationalism is the greatest danger to America. Uh huh. Tells you where they are coming from, no?
Fauci is of course being attacked by various peanut gallery types. Surprisingly, I haven’t read any ethnic attacks against Fauci yet; e.g., “he’s a racially mixed Italian who is hysterically gesticulating about coronavirus because he’s concerned about his own Near Eastern ‘Fertile Crescent’ ancestry.” That’s no doubt coming. But for now we get nonsense about how Fauci is a “shill” because he – gasp! – testified that vaccines are safe and he has done work on HIV. And, as we know, Der Right believes that vaccines are sodomizing our babies and giving them autism, while HIV has nothing to do with AIDS whatsoever. It’s all a Big Pharma conspiracy. Mysteriously for these types, statins and Adderall are not part of the Big Pharma conspiracy, no doubt because many of the peanut gallerians are statin-addicted fatsos with lazy and dumb kids (amphetamines are helpful to pass exams, don’t you know). Another attack against Fauci is asking why he is getting so “hysterical” now compared to H1N1 a decade ago. The “answer” you see is that his wife was “hired by the Obama administration,” so it is obviously a dastardly political conspiracy. This 79 year old man is working 19 hour days simply to “get Trump.” Dat right! Actual differences between coronavirus and H1N1 have nothing at all to do with it, no sir!
Today we are seeing the same argument. In order to “flatten the curve” we need to obliterate what’s left of civil life. We have to hand to the state the power to shutter businesses, lock people in their homes and reorganizes [sic] society as they see fit. The price of flattening the curve will be a never-ending war on civil life by a thoroughly corrupt ruling class. So no, it is not just the flu bro. It is not about the stock market or the economy either. It is about what comes after the flu decades after it is gone.
My riposte: And what should we be doing instead? I’m not denying that some of what Zturd asserts as long term consequences may come to pass. Actually it will eventually come to pass, but for non-virus reasons he ignores (see below). What’s the alternative? Trump could have of course stuck to his original course of action, which is to basically invoke some travel restrictions and blather stupidities. The infections and cases would pile up, health care resources would be stretched, and we’d end up like Italy. Very well. You could make a hardcore case for enduring that level of pain for what Zturd would consider long term social and political benefits. But if followed, that course of action would have lowered Trump’s chances of re-election to zero. Zturd would argue in response that this is part of the problem – that Americans should be willing to “tough it out” without politically punishing Trump for that decision. Maybe so. But, you know, the significant fraction of the American population middle-aged and older may not want to die because of a virus manifested because your Chinese gods are inept filthy animals. Letting semi-retarded, hysterically SJW Millennials “inherit the Earth,” sociopolitically speaking, will be an outcome. Letting a significant fraction of the more conservative voters get infected, with risk of death, with the more leftist fraction of the population left standing, is not a recipe for success either.
What makes Zturd so disgustingly reprehensible – besides free-riding on the “alarmist” decisions – is a lack of a reasonable alternative. Zturd projects the dystopian future resulting from “flattening the curve.” He may well be right about that. However, he doesn’t project the equally dystopian future resulting from doing nothing. Unlike the retard Zturd, I’m aware that we’re damned either way. In retrospect, we could have instituted less stringent methods much earlier, tried for containment to the extent possible, with much more targeted lockdowns only in restricted “hot” areas. This was not done.
And Zturd’s comment about “decades” in the future is ludicrous. Demographic changes in America assure that his dystopian future will come to pass, unless there are drastic changes. The shallow retard writes:
…a never-ending war on civil life by a thoroughly corrupt ruling class.
Umm…that’s what we have now, even before The China Plague. Even if Trump wins in 2020, 2024 looms around the corner. Eventually, if we stay on our current trajectory, we’ll have a President Ocasio-Cortez or a President Abrams. It’s coming, regardless of the “alarmist” anti-virus measures in place now. That’s a certainty. Doing nothing about The China Plague is just as likely – or perhaps more so – to hasten that day as compared to doing too much. Maybe wrecking the social order will help or hurt in the long run – who knows? But business as usual, with the trends “baked in the cake,” assures us of “a never-ending war on civil life by a thoroughly corrupt ruling class.” If he’s so stupid not to realize that, he’s beyond hope. If that’s coming if we do nothing, I’d rather try and save White lives and roll the dice on the long term political outcome. If we had a real movement instead of Zturd-like jackasses, right-wing populism could take advantage of the societal chaos following in the wake of The China Plague. That such does not exist is the fault of trash like Zturd, not me.
When considering Zturd’s breathless account of the consequences of addressing The China Plague, one should remember some of the other exercising of government power in American history – military drafts, suspension of habeas corpus, mass confiscation of private property (“freeing slaves”), Civil Rights Act, New Deal, internment camps, etc. During the 1918 China Plague, in some cities police were shooting people who refused to wear a face mask in public. A never-ending war on civil life!
We’ll be told that there’s a practical reason to be more concerned now – the “ruling class” is more alien and corrupt than ever. Indeed it is. But here’s another practical consideration – following Zturd’s advice would alter Trump’s chances of losing to Biden from somewhat probable to absolutely certain. More practical considerations – a disease that disproportionately kills older Americans will more quickly shift America to being more non-White and more leftist.
Zturd is just being a self-righteous contrarian jackass. The reality is that this is an impossible situation to know for certain what course of action will yield the best possible outcome. What is certain is that Zturd’s feared dystopia will happen regardless of what Trump does or does not do, it’ll just be a bit quicker one way as compared to another. Most likely, Zturd’s advice will make it happen quicker, but we are really screwed either way.
Quite right. Zturd represents all that is wrong with Der Right. I’ll say it again – there’s no “optimal” outcome here. Thanks to Der Movement’s Chinese Gods – who, like gods, seem immune to criticism from their worshippers – we are in a “lose-lose” situation. Doing what is necessary will severely damage the economy and, yes, expand government power at a time when that government (under your “God Emperor” by the way) has never been more hostile to White Americans. Engaging in retarded virus denial, and doing nothing, would eventually lead to Italy-like conditions, disproportionately sicken and kill off the most White and most conservative age cohort of the population, absolute ensure President Biden (which may well happen anyway), completely discredit the political Right, and make (White) America a laughingstock to the world, supporting Yellow Supremacist narratives – “look how China got it under control, but America failed.”
Again – the people to blame here are not Trump, Fauci, toilet paper hoarders, or “alarmists” on the Right, but instead the filthy Chinese “people” with their bat soup, eating live wild animals, wet markets, Wuhan biolarfare labs, selling infected lab animals to street vendors, hiding facts about the outbreak, etc. It’s the Chinese who infected the world and now are blaming others; it’s the Chinese threatening to withhold medication from America and laughing at us that we’ll suffer a “hell of a coronavirus epidemic.” But the HBDers, including Zturd, are very gentle with their Chinese Gods. It’s that White guy buying toilet paper who’s at fault, damgummint! HBD trash.
Well, well, well…look at this.
The most astonishing thing about the Globalvirus crisis is seeing how deep the free-market programming runs. Even people who are basically National Populists like Ramzpaul and the Zman have been running what I call the “Republican dad script,” minimizing the danger of the virus and worrying instead about protecting the economy from people who wish to protect their lives, and the lives of their loved ones. This “dad script” strikes me as equal parts alpha signaling and paternal concern for their 401Ks.
Republicans are not unreasonable in their suspicion that the Left — including the mainstream media — are using the Globalvirus against Trump. But that still doesn’t mean it is not a serious health problem.
This kind of thinking has consequences. Polling data indicates that Republicans are significantly more likely to minimize the dangers of Globalvirus than Democrats, which means that Republicans, as well as their friends and families, are more likely to get sick and die. It also means that Republicans are more likely to support ineffectual or tardy responses to the crisis, which will ensure that more people die.
The market will come back. The people who will die because of Republican greed and complacency will be gone forever.
Think of what it means that both Greg Johnson and I are in essential agreement on this issue, where we disagree on so much else. Now, that in itself does not “prove” anything, nor is it “evidence” of anything – after all, arguments have to be judged on their own merits, not merely on who supports them. On the other hand, this convergence is not meaningless either. That people on the Right (broadly defined) who are so different both agree that Zturd is acting like an absolute jackass (Johnson doesn’t say it but it is in my opinion implied by “equal parts alpha signaling and paternal concern for their 401Ks”) should tell you something – especially since both Johnson and I make arguments against Zturd that can be judged by third party observers, arguments that in my opinion are more cogent than “do nothing and let the good times roll.”
And I must say again that those upset about the situation should really focus more of their ire on the Chinese rather than on people trying to save American lives. But, hey, we can’t have that. After all, we may offend and alienate some Chinatrix who has the incisors of a gopher, the physique of a toothpaste tube, and the hair of a black-furred oily muskrat. What would the “awkward squad” do without their yellow beauties?
Meanwhile, in contrast to HBD lies, let’s look at some reality.
Chinese Biological Espionage
In March 2019, in mysterious event a shipment of exceptionally virulent viruses from Canada’s NML ended up in China. The event caused a major scandal with Bio-warfare experts questioning why Canada was sending lethal viruses to China.
Four months later in July 2019, a group of Chinese virologists were forcibly dispatched from the Canadian lab – the only level-4 facility equipped to handle the world’s deadliest diseases where Coronavirus sample from the first Saudi patient was being examined.
The scientist who was escorted out of the Canadian lab along with members of her research team is believed to be a Chinese Bio-Warfare agent Xiangguo Qiu.
Dr. Xiangguo Qiu is married to another Chinese scientist Dr. Keding Cheng – the couple is responsible for infiltrating Canada’s NML with many Chinese agents posing as students from a range of Chinese scientific facilities directly tied to China’s Biological Warfare Program.
Dr. Xiangguo Qiu made at least five trips to the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory located only 20 miles away from the Huanan Seafood Market which is the epicenter of the outbreak.
The Canadian investigation is ongoing and questions remain whether previous shipments to China of other viruses or other essential preparations, took place from 2006 to 2018, one way or another.
The Chinese are murdering humanity. The Chinese people are engaged in a remorseless war of extermination against the Italian people, who pitifully respond to this genocidal attack by “singing on balconies.” China and the Chinese people are an existential threat to all humanity.
Meanwhile, while most people will eventually see the Zturdites for what they are, we can discern how the Zturdites will try and hand wave the outcome of their predictions within Der Movement/Der Right itself. Let’s consider the possibilities.
1. If the virus actually fizzles out in the warmer weather and does not return, the Zturdites will point to that as vindication, and there’s not much to answer that with, other than that their logic was wrong but that events turned out to support that flawed logic. But if they’re right, they’re right.
2. If the virus continues and is serious, but if all of the more severe measures taken against it are successful in blunting its impact, the Zturdites will interpret that as being the same as outcome #1 and will pretend that the public health measures had nothing to do with the outcome.
3. If – even with severe measures – the virus has a very serious health impact, if it spreads worldwide, even in those places the HBDers assert will be relatively immune to it, even if everything goes 100% against the Zturdites and the HBDers, they will not admit to being wrong. Instead, they’ll adopt the Gaslighting Greg strategy of completely ignoring what they wrote before. It will be as if it never happened – down the memory hole! They’ll just ignore the whole thing, with Zturd blathering some ”badder thoughts” about “Lagos” or “Biden’s dementia” while the HBDers will sweatily gibber about Hajnal lines and high trust northern hunter gatherers. Coronavirus? We don’t need to hear about any stinkin’ coronavirus!
A Zturdite type at Amren writes:
Enoch Powell The virus itself would have very little economic impact. It is the massive overreaction to it by government and the media which is destroying our economy. The Wuhan Coronavirus is a pathogen with a mortality rate only slightly higher than the seasonal flu. It spares children and is a serious threat to life to only the very old and infirm. Not the sort of thing that should be shutting down entire nations. One has to wonder if the mainstream Media has a political motivation to foster panic and wreck the economy during an election year with a sitting Republican President who they desperately want to get rid of.
Let’s dissect this:
The virus itself would have very little economic impact.
Until health care resources are overwhelmed and people start dying.
It is the massive overreaction to it by government and the media which is destroying our economy.
What your solution? Do nothing? Please outline an alternative strategy, keeping in mind what is happening in Italy, which had an initial weak reaction to the threat.
The Wuhan Coronavirus is a pathogen with a mortality rate only slightly higher than the seasonal flu.
Outright lie based on current data. Let’s see. Of the current estimates of mortality, on the low side, it is 10-fold higher and on the high side more than 30-fold higher. I’m not sure that a 10-30-fold higher mortality is “only slightly higher.” Even if you want to postulate a large number of unknown mild cases that will drive down the mortality rate, the fact is we’ll still have the same overall numbers of severe cases that can overwhelm health care resources. Or should we just let the severe cases die without intervention?
It spares children and is a serious threat to life to only the very old and infirm.
“Only” – not true. Unless you consider “very old” to be anyone over 50-60+…anyway, this crisis is very informative about the “Die Boomer” mentality of youth. Sometimes, like the 1918 Chinese Flu, it are the young who are more affected. What goes around comes around.
Not the sort of thing that should be shutting down entire nations.
If less stringent measures were put in place earlier, the more stringent measures would not be needed now.
One has to wonder if the mainstream Media has a political motivation to foster panic and wreck the economy during an election year with a sitting Republican President who they desperately want to get rid of.
It’s all a conspiracy! The Italians are dropping dead just to spite Trump. European nations are closing borders – despite their inner SJW urges to keep them wide open – just to spite Trump. Idiot. Blame everyone except your Chinese gods.
Italians please note (red font emphasis added):
Fourth, and rarely mentioned, is that Italy today is evidently home to a large Chinese community (more than 300,000), made up of people who arrived in the past two decades and who work in the textile and leather sector. Many of the Chinese living in Italy are from Wuhan and Wenzhou, and some had just been in Wuhan and Wenzhou for the Chinese New Year on January 25, when the Chinese authorities could not hide the epidemic any longer. These Chinese had returned to Italy from China before the Italian government suspended flights from there. The epidemic emerged in Lombardy; Bergamo, one of the capitals of the Italian textile industry, was one of the first cities affected.
That is, the Chinese came back to Italy knowing that there was a highly contagious epidemic in China, thus knowing they could seed Italy with the plague, killing Italians and turning the nation into a charnel house. THEY KNEW IT. That’s not the “crazy and bitter and paranoid” Ted Sallis saying it – others are saying it as well. Then we have the spectacle of Chinese “tourists” visiting Italy during the outbreak in China as well. Italian apologists for the Chinese, please explain these facts. Also, please justify the “hug an Asian” campaign promoted by the genocidal killers of Beijing and enabled by leftist traitors in Italy. Please explain why the statement “the Chinese people are conducting a remorseless campaign of genocidal extermination against the Italian people” is wrong. Please explain what the Italian people are going to do about it other than “sing on balconies” or having their “Air Force” (sic) fly around blasting music and spewing out red-white-green contrails. Since EGI Notes is a pacifist blog, unalterably opposed to any and all – any and all I say! – violence whatsoever, you will not find this blog suggesting that the Italian Air Force bomb Chinese neighborhoods in Italy.
By the way, note that the HBDers don’t like to mention that the Italian crisis is in large part due to the Chinese, but instead focus on “Fertile Crescent” ancestry in Italy. Italians, please don’t expend all your hate on the Chinese, please save some for the HBD trash as well.