Category: Ancient Greeks

The Wisdom of Gene Wolfe

And other news.

Greece was, in short, so full of geniuses because it had no solitary geniuses. Each idea and every action had to withstand the probing questions of interested bystanders who could bring writers and philosophers, artists and architects, generals and statesmen to book.  It made these people very careful, and it forced them to think.  I recommend it to you, just as from time to time I recommend it to myself.  – Gene Wolfe (Castle of Days)

That quote, on the origins of the genius of Ancient Greece, stands as one of the best and most elegantly concise defenses of free speech that there is, for only through freedom of expression can we ask those probing questions to bring others “to book.”  Indeed, this applies just as much to the “movement” and explains why we should have utter contempt for those “movement leaders” who refuse to debate others, who “ban” critics, who insulate themselves with an “amen corner”- indeed, who avoid the probing questions that attempt to bring them “to book.”

Behold Counter-Currents:

(I wonder if Wolfe had any Italian-American readers who were miffed that he left out an overweight, mafia connected wop among his dramatis personae. After all, The Bonfire of the Vanities just may be the etymological source of the now-famous Italian-American neologism “fuggedaboudit!”)

This is HBD:

JohnEngelman  I learned that Oriental girls existed when I was six or seven. I remember thinking, “Some white girls are pretty. Some are not. All Oriental girls are pretty.” I continue to prefer Oriental women

Haven’t I always told you that HBD is all about Yellow Fever fetishism?
That’s who you are letting take over your “movement” as long as you let the HBD-Nordicist-ethnonationalist alliance control the show.

If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever. George Orwell

If you want a vision of the HBD future, imagine a Chinatrix pegging a White “race realist” – forever. Ted Sallis

Laugh at this.

This structure is evident in J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. For my 11th birthday, my mom got me a Tolkien book set that included The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings, and The Silmarillion. It took me almost a year to read the entire set, but those books changed my life.

But of course. 

I stand by my analysis that there is some sort of ethnic/subracial preferences for various types of aesthetics, including literature. The obsession of Northern Europeans – particularly Northwest European Celto-Germanic types – for the works of Tolkien is an obvious manifestation of this.  It’s almost as if they are born with an innate fascination with Tolkien.

The womb as a hobbit hole?

Ted Sallis (left) vs. Greg Johnson (right)?  Although substitute the EU for a White Imperium.

Gee…if only you were part of the federal government and could do something about it besides tweeting! Imagine if Donald Trump had been elected President in 2016, then we’d really see some crackdowns! 
Seriously though, doesn’t the Trump administration understand how clownishly foolish they appear? Make Jimmy Carter look like Alexander the Great?  No, Hood, Trump and his minions are so weak they make Jimmy Carter look like Zeus, Odin, Hercules, Thor, and Perun all rolled into one.

Here is an example where I actually agree more with a Counter-Currents article than the comments.
See this.

It’s not like we were thinking every second about nuclear war, but it was there.  US-Soviet tensions were higher during Reagan’s first term than under the Nixon, Ford, and Carter regimes; although this lessened with Gorbachev during Reagan’s second term, it was still there.
Interestingly, even though tensions may have been less in the 1970s, we were likely thinking about it even more.

Regardless of the details, this was something on our minds.
Anti-nuclear propaganda like this was effective insofar as people were actually worried about it even before watching that.

I however disagree that the 1990s were “utopian”- depends on where you were living and how stupidly dense you were.  Those of us who entered the “movement” in the 1990s were wide awake enough to realize how bad things really were.

Well, yes, particularly since most American universities, and other bastions of “higher education,” are in continued egregious violation of Title Six and Title Nine, with respect to those institutions’ anti-White and anti-male activities.  Many of them are in violation of the non-partisan requirements of 501c3 as well.

Against Casey and MacDonald

This needs to be addressed.
An imbecilic and stupid post by another of Counter-Currents’ horrendous new crop of writers.So how should white advocates view abortion and euthanasia? At the very least, with a heavy dose of skepticism. Ideally, we would view them as Hippocrates viewed them, as an insult to life and to holiness. Our people are precious “from cradle to grave,” as the Catholics say.Should we then be working to outlaw abortion and euthanasia? Perhaps. Such affronts to holiness will likely be unthinkable in a white ethnostate.Thus, people dying in agonizing pain, people whose bodies are wrecked to the point that daily life is pointless and holds no meaning for them, people slowly and horribly dying of incurable diseases, people desperate for an end to their pain and suffering, must be kept alive because pathetic religious freaks have to impose their values of “holiness” on the rest of us.
We can give dogs and cats relief from suffering, but we force people to endure a living hell so Jesus freaks can feel good about themselves.  How despicable, how pompous, how deluded in the extremity of narcissism.  Excuse me, you stupid yeastbucket, you ignorant hole, who are you do tell me or anyone else what to do with our lives?  
Women have no business being medical doctors, a profession best left to the adults in the room – men.

Pathetic hand-waving:

MacDonald’s reply:  Again, as noted, I have no quarrel with the idea that the Indo-Europeans were an elite dominating a native indigenous population. My point was that Mycenaean civilization was an Indo-European culture. There is no real evidence for that.And my comment emphasized increasing I-E genetic contribution over time, suggesting selection for I-E genes. Really – now get this:The most recent samples studied by Mathieson et al. date from 1100 BC, and the most recent samples studied by Lazaridis et al. date from around 1200 BC—toward the end of Mycenaean civilization. Thus the data do not shed much light on the genetic constitution of classical Greece—the flowering of classical Greek culture dated to the fourth and fifth centuries BC that epitomized so much of what we think of as Western culture. This is certainly time enough for selection or incursion of steppe-derived genes, but as yet there are no genetic studies I am aware of for this later period. Doubly mendacious.  First, because there are not (currently) genetic samples from every era of Greek history, particularly “the flowering of classical Greek culture dated to the fourth and fifth centuries BC that epitomized so much of what we think of as Western culture” then MacDonald is free to “posit” and “suggest” and assert “reasonable” comments about his theories in the absence of any real evidence whatsoever.
Second, above he says “And my comment emphasized increasing I-E genetic contribution over time, suggesting selection for I-E genes” but now it is “the data do not shed much light on the genetic constitution of classical Greece…there are no genetic studies I am aware of for this later period.”
There’s no genetic evidence for the period, which allows him to “posit” whatever he wishes, but, at the same time, there is evidence of “increasing I-E genetic contribution over time, suggesting selection for I-E genes.”  What evidence?  I thought you just said there was no evidence?  All you have now are the previously mentioned Ancient Greek samples as well as modern Greeks, who the HBD Nordicists consider to be cringing subhumans.  So, where’s the evidence for in between those population end points?Further, there continues to be uncertainty regarding the causes of violent collapse of Mycenaean civilization inaugurating the Greek “Dark Age” (~1200BC–~750BC) of “isolation, introversion, and instability” (Hall, 2013, 82). Well, yes, we can “posit” that the Herrenvolk wrecked the Mycenaean civilization and caused a Dark Age the same as they did to the Western Roman Empire…and what their SJW descendants are doing to the West today.More importantly for present purposes is the identity of the people who later formed classical Greek culture. There is a long history of proposing a “Dorian invasion” from the north which altered spoken dialects from Achaean to Dorian as well as aspects of culture (e.g., knowledge of ironworking and a shift to individualized burial practices (Hall, 2013, p. 70; Nagy, 2019), the latter suggesting a more individualist culture. First, details about  the Dorian invasion are questionable, as regards real scholarship.
Second, even if we “posit” a Dorian invasion as MacDonald prefers, the Athenians considered themselves Ionian, not Dorian, and some scholars – to the extent that they take the Dorian hypotheses seriously – explain the Athenian-Spartan conflict as an ethnic one.  The “flowering” of Greek culture was more Athenian than Spartan, wasn’t it?T his began as a literary tradition and persisted for nine centuries, down to the first century AD and remains the “most economical hypothesis,” although the Dorian invasion hypothesis purporting to explain it remains unproven (Hall, 2013, p. 68). Remains unproven!  Well, yes, but that doesn’t stop some from invoking a Kempite Dorian Herrenvolk influx to “posit” and “suggest” “reasonable” explanations, does it?As noted, genetic data on the people responsible for classical Greek civilization are lacking; however, it is reasonable to posit a shift toward increased steppe contribution, not only during the Mycenaean period (Mathieson et al., 2018), but continuing thereafter given that genetic changes may occur quite quickly (Cochran & Harpending, 2010).“Reasonable to posit” – those weasel words again.  “Genetic data on the people responsible for classical Greek civilization are lacking” – but he’ll make conclusions regardless, or “posit” conclusions.  Note also how MacDonald’s more conciliatory and equivocal tone differs here in this review response differs from the more dogmatically HBD tone of self-congratulatory certainty at The Occidental Observer when writing on these issues, mirrored by the sweaty amen corner commentariot, who, like with all personality cults centered on gurus (like Jewish movements, eh?), personally attack critics (“Meisenberg is a mendacious Jew”) – attacks that do not receive any rebuke from MacDonald himself.
Further, do I really need to point out that the fact that “genetic changes may occur quite quickly” does not mean that they will occur or, more to the point, in this case did occur in the manner asserted by MacDonald?  The work of Cochran and Harpending is here almost irrelevant in the absence of evidence of the asserted changes.
Indeed, one can use that paradigm to “posit” and “suggest” all sorts of “reasonable” genetic selection. Maybe individualist farmer genes were quickly selected for?  Maybe those last century has seen a “rapid genetic change” in favor of hysterically SJW collectivist xenophilic egalitarianism among NW Europeans?  Who knows?  We can all “posit” anything and cherry pick reasons why it is “reasonable.”
Now, there is of course genetic evidence for a relatively small minority influx of steppe ancestry into ancient Southern Europe, overlaying the majority farmer ancestry. One can find remnants of some steppe ancestry in Southern European areas today. That does not change the fact that the overwhelming majority of the ancestry of the peoples of the Classical Civilizations of Ancient Greece and Rome was of farmer derivation.
MacDonald has a clear agenda of disregarding the contribution of farmer ancestry to European history and civilization, privileging instead hunter gatherer and steppe ancestries.  
It seems more “reasonable” to “posit” that the data “suggest” that the majority ancestry had the largest effect; further, civilization did not begin in the Mediterranean basin until the hunter gatherers were predominantly displaced by the farmers.
And, by the way, once again I note the Y axis here.

The Mendacious Activist Trap

Odds and ends.

This is the sort of slyly dishonest misdirection that Counter-Currents is infamous for.

Let’s see what Der Movement, including Counter-Currents, espouses. Anti-scientific, laughably false, and easily disproven paradigms such as HBD and Nordicism. Irrational, childish nonsense like Yogi Bear (Kali Yuga) and The Men Who Can’t Tell Time in The Age of Aluminum (all of “Savitri Devi’s” retarded nonsense).  Anti-vaxx stupidity by deranged lunatics who claim that all non-human animal life will be wiped off the face of the Earth soon after lockdowns end by “bullets flying everywhere” (cue tardigrades and fruit flies dodging Billy Bob’s rifle shots).  Promotion of homosexuality and homosexual harassment of young men at meetings.  Endless feuding.  Horrifically bad judgment by “leaders” who are, literally, wrong about everything and never admit it.  Alt Right WN 2.0 juvenile jackassery – Hail Pepe!  Hail Kek!  Shall I continue?  Talk about Pierce – the guy espoused radical Nordicism (while dishonestly pretending to be pan-European), he lived on a mountaintop in the backwoods of West Virginia, and he openly mocked and ridiculed “soft, city-bred Whites” who, e.g., don’t know how to gut a deer or strangle a rabid wolf (you know, the same types of professionals he ostensibly wanted to recruit).  You have people in Der Movement (not Johnson admittedly) promoting the most asinine flubro nonsense.  Then you wonder why “elites” eschew your stupid “movement.”  Look how highly educated STEM activists are treated by your “movement” – including by Johnson – particularly if they are of the “wrong” White ethnicity.  “Crazy and bitter!”  “Banned!”   Keep on running insanity like this – anti-scientism and anti-expertism masquerading as “satire” – and then expect “elites” to jump on the bandwagon.  And look at the degeneration of the few semi-articulate people in the “movement.”  Taylor and his Jew/Asian-loving “HBD race realism.”  MacDonald has gone off the deep end recently, becoming a HBD-Nordicist neo-Guntherite, filling his blog with the sort of flubro lunacy previously cited. Who is going to be the “movement” paragon of elite intellectualism?  Der Movement is militantly anti-elite, anti-science, anti-expert, anti-rational, anti-maturity, anti-everything these days except for sniggering Beavis-and-Butthead Millennials spouting fossilized “movement” dogma (WN 2.0!  WN 3.0!).

Der Movement violates Occam’s razor of Political Extremism – don’t multiply perceived freakishness beyond necessity.  In today’s climate, being (radically) pro-White is by itself considered “extreme” and for the less adventurous of the normies, “weird” and “frightening.” You don’t add to that by piling on all sorts of extraneous, superfluous bizarre nonsense.  You don’t over-turn well-established Western science to appeal to a lunatic fringe of freaks and ignorant retards. You don’t espouse laughably ludicrous conspiritard theories, you don’t gibber about esoteric gnostic theosophist nonsense.  You don’t mock the idea of wearing paramilitary uniforms and then go out into the streets in cosplay outfits looking like Captain America and Batman. You don’t engage in Boomer-bashing generational warfare that mimics the White-bashing of the Left.  You don’t defend sex perverts, race mixers, alcoholics, drug addicts, etc. just because they are your “friends” or are on “your side” of some petty “movement” feud.  You don’t impose “extreme vetting” on authentic activists and then give the “keys to the kingdom” to an obvious fraud because they say “I’m Swedish” or “I’m a movie critic.”  You don’t claim to be a “White advocate” and then declare yourself a “Yellow supremacist.”  You don’t constantly pretend that your constant errors of judgment, mistakes, and wrong calls never happened when it only talks 30 seconds of Googling for a triple digit IQ person to find such “constant errors of judgment, mistakes, and wrong calls.” Do you really need to be told such things?  How obtuse do you have to be that all of this is not glaringly self-evident?

You are all absolutely disgusting in your mendacity.  For shame.

Steve Scalise.

The great-grandson of Italian immigrants, Steve’s family came to New Orleans from Sicily as farmers…

His phenotype. Quote obviously, he is a pure-blooded sub-Saharan African Negro, absolutely akin to a Nigerian. Seriously though, imagine if some famous Roman was described as light-eyed and had a head bust similar in features to Scalise.  Der Movement would cite that as “evidence” that the Romans were of Northcentral European ancestry. Meanwhile, Scalise is Sicilian, not even a Central Italian.  Phenotypes that Der Movement ascribe to “Northcentral European ancestry” with respect to Rome are part of the normal spectrum of Southern European phenotypic variability; consistent with the genetic data of existing Iron Age/Republic samples showing they are in the Southern European spectrum genotypically as well as phenotypically (as regards the latter, they are, if anything different, actually more “Mediterranean” than moderns).

Scalise’s politics.  Ah, forget the two foot tall Negro dwarf Scalise! Instead, we need to praise Hubert Humphrey, the type of a man that Counter-Currents tells us we need more of!

Summary of the paper on Ancient Greek genetics.  This is the original paper, so you can see it yourself.  This paper, just like the one on Ancient Rome, can tell us nothing about practical biopolitics of extant human populations. Genetic interests of current populations are based on the genetic information of those populations compared to that of other current populations; comparisons to populations of the past are irrelevant for today’s EGI purposes. However, the purpose of looking at the archaeogenetics is different – to expose Der Movement as intellectually and morally bankrupt, and to hold up Der Movement’s fossilized dogma to well-deserved ridicule.




Nationalism for me & not for thee is a rancid Jewish double standard. But we have to be careful about HOW we undermine it. The endgame for me is nationalism for everyone, which would entail a homeland for Jews as well. I won’t compromise on the ethnonationalist principle.

Except for Hungarians who have to be stuck with John Morgan, Italians stuck with Farrell, Romanians stuck with Munro, Eastern Europeans stuck with Full Moon Ancestry and Anton, and Spaniards and Bulgarians stuck with hordes of colonizing British expats. Nationalism for me & not for thee is a rancid ethnonationalist double standard.

If Johnson was being honest:

Nationalism for me & not for thee is my ethnoimperialist motto. But we have to be careful about HOW we Herrenvolk hoodwink the wogs about it. The endgame for me is nationalism for Northwest Europeans and subaltern colonized subservience for Southern and Eastern Europeans, which would entail national crash pads and national bordellos for Counter-Currents writers as well. I won’t compromise on the ethnoimperialist principle.

Yeah, sure.  In other words, prepare for day after day and week after week of markedly below average temperatures, followed by breathless accounts of “this was the hottest [fill in the blank] on record.” You can check various “weather history” websites and compare current temperatures to historical averages. Many parts of the USA will have quite an interesting story to tell for the current Spring. On a not unrelated note, I remember various magazine articles and “talking heads” in the 1970s referring to “a coming Ice Age.”

According to online research, Shalhoub’s wife is only five years older than him, but in the picture can pass for his mother.  The “wall” hits Milady real hard, doesn’t it?

Vicious anti-White Chinatrix (to eliminate redundancy – just “Chinatrix”) causing trouble.

Amren commentator:

(I notice that the Asian reporters directing negative questions to Trump are usually young, female and reasonably attractive. I wonder if there’s a reason for this?)

Yes, as this blog has been telling you for years, Asians pimp out their “women” to pitiful “awkward squad” White males (not men) so as to influence the latter in a pro-Asian direction.

This is HBD; another Amren commentator:

There is a clear difference between the IQs of blacks and whites, as there is for Asians and whites, with Asians scoring the highest. The average IQ of a White is about 100, and the average IQ of an East Asian is about 104. When whites and Asians compete in the same academic environment, Asians surpass whites…

All Asia all the time.  The metaphysical, existential meaning of HBD is White males (not men) dropping their pants and bending over to Asia.

Let’s have more Chinese and other alien Asiatics in American STEM, right HBDers?  When are the HBDers going to be arrested for FARA violations and for treason?

Just in time for the election.  Flubro!

They’re Lying to You

Can’t get their stories straight.

From a previous post, we remember this nonsense.

Now, here’s a key part:

There is a right-sizing to assimilating and naturalizing other peoples. Rome did well with assimilating Europeans with Indo-European/Early Farmer genetic stock, had more problems when it came to Indo-European/Western Hunter Gatherers from the north, and they didn’t assimilate Jews at all.

The implications of that is that the Romans (and other European peoples they assimilated well; for example, the other peoples that were located in what today is Italy, as well as the Greeks) were predominantly “Early European Farmer,” and these peoples were distinct from the more problematical northerners who were predominantly “Western Hunter Gatherer” (with low levels of “Indo-European” in both). This is consistent with the idea of the HBD-Nordicists of a North-South European difference in place dating back thousands of years, since the Neolithic.

Ahh…but the mainstream Nordicists of Der Movement, the Kempian Nordicists, have long told us that the ancient peoples of the Mediterranean – Romans, Greeks, etc. – were Nordic.  The original Roman stock were akin to Dolph Lundgren in a toga.  Except, now, the HBD-Nordicists say, well, that’s not the case, the folks in the togas were “Early Farmers” and the Dolph Lundgrens were “Western Hunter Gatherers.”  No, no, a thousand times, no!  What would Arthur Kemp, David Duke, and Ash Donaldson say?  Blasphemy!  March of the Titans!  Pierce weeps!  Who We Are!  

Taking all of these fetishists as a whole – and they should be taken as a whole since they post on the same blogs and are in fundamental agreement on most things and won’t even openly acknowledge the contradiction outlined above – we can see that they cannot get their story straight.  And when folks cannot get their story straight, what does that tell you? That they are LYING to you. Der Movement has been openly lying to you about race for many decades.  Lie after lie after lie and now they cannot keep their lies straight, so they practice cognitive dissonance and pretend that their views are not internally inconsistent. Assuming that they are not so stupid (or deluded by blind fanatical dogmatic faith in their fetishistic belief systems) that they cannot realize the contradiction, then they must hold you in utter contempt, assuming that you won’t notice it (to be fair to them, most “activists” actually do not notice it).

Also note how this guy uses the term “Early Farmer” while the correct term used in the literature is “Early European Farmer” – have to delegitimize the “European bonafides” of that group, eh?  Wipe that sweat off your forehead, fetishist.

Sweden’s native population contains the most Western Hunter Gatherer DNA, and Sicily’s people have the most Early Farmer genetic material. Sweden’s population is highly individualistic, but operates with a societal consensus, while Sicily has strong families but little cooperation at the societal level.

Gee, you think that the long history of invasion and foreign domination in Sicily may have something to do with it as well?  Also, there is my theory of genetic heterogeneity, which builds upon the observation that diversity decreases the willingness to invest in collective social goods. This may hold true even in certain mono-ethnic societies, if the ethnies in question possess significant genetic heterogeneity, which is processed by members of that society through the proxy of phenotypic heterogeneity. The more different members of an ethny seem to each other, the less their willingness to invest in the broader society, and the greater the urge to invest in more “safe” concentrations of genetic interest, such as the family. Southern Europe has greater genetic heterogeneity than the North. Of course, ethnocentrism may play a role as well; although the North is more homogeneous, there are still some Bromstad/Bjork types there, who apparently do not trigger any anti-collective urges.  It is no doubt complex.

I believe that this Jewish ability to hijack altruistic punishment is unstable and only temporary. It is clear to this author that the single largest ethnic conflict in American history is that between Yankees and Jews. So far, the Jews have practiced aggression against the Yankee without receiving any response, but this situation will not continue indefinitely. People will always eventually respond to attacks.

Completely insane delusion.  Actually, according to the Lind thesis of American politics, the “Yankees” have been the most important and enthusiastic allies of the Jews in the destruction of America, and the unleashing of the Black/Brown plague on middle class and working class White Americans.  No, the single largest ethnic conflict is that of the Jewish-Yankee-Negro alliance vs. the White Southerner-White ethnic alliance, precisely what Lind outlined.  “Movement” heroes like John Lindsay, Hubert Humphrey, Elizabeth Warren, and Greta Thunberg are clearly on the side of Jewish interests, and all the sweaty fetishism and padded cell delusions can’t change that fact.

Stop lying, liars.

And if these guys truly believe that these differences between Europeans are so important, and if they will be honest enough to acknowledge the failures of the WHG-enriched “movement leadership,” why don’t they consider that it may be useful to get at least some input and leadership from more EEF-enriched individuals?  Perhaps some new perspectives would be useful?  But no.  They’d rather reinforce their monopoly than let others have a hand in the endeavor.

Yeah…let’s not disguise it.  First, all these types were foaming at the mouth that Trump the “God Emperor” was “the last chance for White America” back when I was openly calling Trump a race cuck and a buffoon and when Strom was telling you not to believe Trump. Second, and infinitely worse, Greg Johnson is STILL saying that Trump was/is “sincere” and is a “man of genuine greatness.”  That’s your WHG-enriched “leadership.”  Apparently, “social cohesion” is built by being painfully naïve, being wrong all of the time, and/or gaslighting readers in an attempt to avoid accountability for your endless failures and monumental errors of judgment.