Category: Ancient Greeks

Another Answer to Retardation

He may as well talk to the wind for all the good it will do.

As regards this issue, see the comment below. I don’t agree with every detail, but the main thrust is generally in accord with my views, and the points to which I agree with most are highlighted. I am not correcting the various errors of writing or formatting; those are minor issues of no great relevance to the main themes of the comment.

GrandioseNationalist
Posted July 11, 2019 at 4:03 pm | Permalink
Another Nordicist who tries to “preach” us about history. This thing never ends; always trying to find artificial excuses to undermine Southern European contribution to Europe and further divide Europeans based on some outdated ideology. There’s a reason why the Star Systems and planets have Greek and Roman names and not Norse ones. See now how we’ve engaged in this fruitless debate that only serves our demise?
Furthermore all White Nationalists have to keep in mind a few things:
a) It’s not Greeks that have Turkish DNA but instead it’s the Turks that have Greek ancestry (along with other ethnic backgrounds). There is virtually no research or proof that shows that Greeks have Turkic ancestry. All racially mixed offsprings were either absorbed into the Turkish society or the Christian Orthodox women would commit suicide or murdered and shunned by their families before having kids with the “Muslim Oppressor”.
b) The Ancient Greeks had this ancient motto knows as “pas mi Hellen varvaros” which means “all non-Hellenes are barbarians”. Although there were some exception among the lines of the Persian, Celtic, and Roman kindred, Greeks shared an equal hatred even for each other (Spartans vs Athenians, etc.). Alexander was no exception, as the man who civilized the East.
c) Nordicist ideology has contaminated our tenets for more than a century and has only served to divide and conquer us, by placing basis on an abstract sub-racial division. There are Nordics common in all European nations just as there are Meds in Britain and Ireland.

c) Although not directly related to this article, it is vital to acknowledge that Pan-Europeanism is our only way out. When the Southern States, Southern And Northern Europe get overrun by migrants we ‘re gonna have to unite in a way that has never been done before. The US showed that White intermixia and nationhood is perfectly feasible and desirable if we proceed carefully step by step to that direction (that has already been happening for centuries now; look at us for example). It sure as hell didn’t lead to chaos and anarchy as some Ethnonationalists would wish. Now I’m saying this as someone who is of pure ethnic stock and has reached to that conclusion after lots of consideration and the studying of history.

The SYSTEM doesn’t give a penny or two about whether you’re Anglo-Celtic, Greek, Nordic, or what. All they see is a White person, and they attack our Whiteness because that’s the essence of our identity.

NATIONALISM is evolutionary: it extends for the POLIS to the REGION to the COUNTRY and eventually to the WHOLE RACE. By simply making a regression to these patterns would mean to be forced to repeat this endless loop of factricidal war and foreign infiltration. The Athenians would’ve objected to be united with the Spartans under the “generic definition” of the Greek, and they’d want to keep their “individual differences and have their separate ways”. Now that Greece is united, do you see any war between the two? Now they’re just Greeks and nothing else.

In less then two centuries time we’ll see the salvation of the White Race come to fruition under a life-saving fusion of all those who are Called Europeans akin to that in the US; under a centralized transcontinental state . Think on that.

The major problem with this well-meaning fellow is that he is wasting his time. He may as well talk to the wind for all the good it will do; he’ll get more of a useful response if he was addressing a pile of bricks.

It doesn’t matter that there is no evidence supporting the Counter-Currents viewpoint, it doesn’t matter that ancient DNA studies have so far refuted Kemp, none of that matters. When you are dealing with blind religious faith, facts do not matter and logic does not matter.  There is no place in Der Movement for pan-Europeanists, just as there is no place for Southern and Eastern Europeans. The Type Is have always had a stranglehold on control of the American “movement” and they will continue to hold on; if you want change, you’ll have to do it yourself by contributing to the formation of a new, alternative racial nationalist structure, a Type II-led movement.

I want to comment on this picture, much beloved by Nordicists. By modern phenotypic standards, we may say, subjectively, that Terentius Nero had an atypical phenotype. Very well.  So what?  That’s not evidence supporting that he was not of indigenous stock.  We do not know the range of indigenous phenotypes of ancient Italy.  For all we know, Nero’s phenotype  may have been common, at least among those of plebian stock, and may reflect Neolithic farmer ancestry. On the other hand, maybe he did have non-indigenous ancestry. Can you know any of that by looking at that one picture?  It’s not as if he looked like a Negro, a Chinaman, or David “Chopsticks” Bromstad, for example.

If you want to play the (frankly stupid) game of using single pictures to make snap judgments about an entire ethny, nation, people, or race, then what about this?  The ancient peoples of Italy were brown-skinned with black curly hair! Terentius the Etruscan!

This is the young Benito Mussolini, a representative of a people – Northern Italians – that Der Movement likes to tell us (absurdly) are “Celto-Germanic Nordics.” Judging by that picture, the typical Northern Italian male looks like the younger brother of General Mapache from The Wild Bunch.

By the standards of “one picture to judge a people,” I won’t get into what the Bromstad family, or Bjork, may tell us about Northern Germanics.

Meanwhile, on a completely different (of course!) matter, I’m working on a post or posts in which I am going to admit that Sallis was wrong about an issue concerning the “movement,” in contrast to certain academic types who were right.  Stay tuned!

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Of Webinars and Genetics

And other news.

Guys like Taylor and Spencer would like to give speeches at colleges and universities, but the problem is violent Antifa protests (protected not only by the academic institutions themselves but also by the radically far-left and anti-White Trump administration) and the reluctance of the institutions to provide security.

Have these (and other) gentlemen considered the option of webinars as a stop-gap until such time that live speeches can again grace the halls of American academia?

Assuming they can get someone at the institution to make the invitation and arrange the webinar, this would seem to be a reasonable option.  Although there are of course drawbacks of webinars compared to a live appearance, there are some advantages as well, particularly in the current climate of repression.

1. It saves the cost, time, and inconvenience of traveling to the venue.

2. In case of a cancellation, less is lost.

3. There is no problem of physical security for the speaker, while the focus of security for the institution is shifted from that of an outside speaker to the institution’s own students (and employees) and their own property.  Let’s consider this last point in more detail.

For a live speech, the major focus of physical protection is the speaker, who is an outside presence, with the intended audience being secondary.  For a webinar, the focus of physical security is the audience, who are likely to be students and employees of the institution, as well as the property (e.g., computers, audiovisual, etc.) of the institution. The obligation of the institution to protect their own students and employees, as well as protect their valuable equipment and other property, is not something they can reasonably (or legally) evade. They could in theory ban the webinar, which would reach levels of absurdity and legal ramifications significantly beyond that of banning a live speech event.  If the institution would go to the embarrassing extreme of cancelling a webinar – a webinar! – then that’s a choice they should be forced into making. Think of the implications. It’s one thing for a college or university to claim that the costs and trouble for providing security for a live visit by an outside speaker is prohibitive – and even there they come up against the legal problem of the heckler’s veto – but to actually tell their own students and employees that they cannot even just gather in a room to communicate electronically with someone in a webinar format is another thing entirely.  They are going to tell tuition-paying students that they cannot listen to a webinar?  I’m sure they would like to tell the students that, but what they would like to do, and what they can do with impunity, are two different things entirely.

Sieg Heil!  Those high-IQ, racially superior, Inner Hajnal German purebloods make history once again!  Sieg Heil!

Complete ignorance of subject matter doesn’t stop Amren speakers from making fools of themselves. Neolithic farmer ancestry?  According to this retard, it never happened.  A few “Neolithic hunter gatherers” (sic!) were hanging around, not Mesolithic or anything like that, no sir!  We’re all from the steppes!  The smallest part of the European genepool is now the major part. Nothing else to report, except of course for some pesky sub-Saharan contaminants – but he seems to have forgotten some other examples.  Well, I suppose that weasel words like “practically absent” covers the omissions. I presume it’s “practically absent” from Portugal as well, hmmm?  Mongols in Russia – but evidence of Northeast Asian admixture in Northern Europe is mysteriously also missed in this ever-so-cogent analysis.  

We got to get this moron together with Durocher and Duchesne to give a presentation on European racial history – it can be sponsored by Ostara. These guys just make things up as they go along.  The fact that there is a rich literature of population genetics studies doesn’t prevent liars like this Amren speaker from literally inventing a history absolutely and definitively proven to be wrong.

Do you trust Der Movement?  Are you that naïve?

Ah yes…dem dere modern Greeks are dumb, but we need to better “robustify” the results. Very well.  But, if the Minoan and Mycenaean samples were the brainiest, more than the Neolithics and the moderns, perhaps we can look at Reich’s work and make some conclusions about those big-brained ancients?

Like, you know, certain things that the fundamentally dishonest “movement” likes to omit, such as that those ancients were dark-haired, dark-eyed “Mediterraneans,” genetically closest to modern Southern Europeans (e.g., from Southern Italy and Greece); they were not “Nordics.”

Good luck finding any “movement” YouTube videos stressing those aspects of “archaeogenetics.”  Good luck finding any breathless Mr. Caliper Unz Review essays or Amren articles about that either.  After all, Der Movement is all about “uncovering the truth about race” – up until the moment that “truth” conflicts with established dogma, at which point “truth” is conveniently ignored.

More of the Marching Movement

In all cases, emphasis added.

Traditionalism:

HungarianFashionista

Posted January 5, 2019 at 6:08 am | Permalink

Lajos Kassai, one of the intellectual leaders of the Hungarian Right says this: someone’s true race is shown by the kind of archetypal image that stirs his soul. So true. Show me a sandy beach with palm trees, or an image of a rainforest, and to me, it could be on another planet. Show me Mediterranean or Nordic images, and I say, “Hm, nice”. But when I see an image of the steppe, it feels like coming home. I’m a descendant of White people who did not migrate to the West.

Hey, I like outer space images; hence, I’m a Martian.

And, we can ask – are there any hobbit holes on the steppe?  Well, hamsters and gerbils live on the steppe, with their snug burrows, so I suppose a Hungarian traditionalist can be snug in his steppe hobbit hole as well.

The Zman:

The Greeks are a bit different. I think it is because the West has so much more respect for the Greeks than the Romans. Maybe it is the fact the Greeks never conquered the world, like the Romans.

The history books I have read have left out the Roman conquest of Germania, Scandinavia, Scotland and Ireland, Eastern Europe, the rest of Asia other than the Near East, sub-Saharan Africa, Australia, the Americas, the Pacific Islands, etc.  Perhaps Mr. Zman can recommend a history text to us where those events are properly chronicled.

And the West will respect people who conquered less?  Maybe the West should have done a bit less colonization then?

I think we should have Carlson 2020 rather than anyone else.  But, hey, Tuck, it’s race and civilization, not “happiness.”

I recently watched the 1998 Moby Dick miniseries starring Patrick Stewart.  Very well done – it is recommended. Ahab is the ultimate Moralpath, and the story is a warning that pure moralpathy unleavened with pragmatism can lead to disaster.  On the other hand, pure pragmatism is doomed to failure and utter stagnation – it is worthless. Even further on the other hand, however destructive Ahab’s obsession turned out to be, it is much better than cowardly hiding from life and from the inexorable march to the future by hiding “snug in one’s hobbit hole,” letting other races do what Whites once dared.

I essentially agree with this.  The memes are more important than the source.  And that’s something the thin-skinned, hysterically womanish quota queens can never understand with their cordon sanitaire around EGI Notes.

An expert on female behavior tells us what’s what.  Next – commentary from Pee Wee Herman about weightlifting.

Maybe this is explained by all those “British Asians,” eh, Silkers?  I don’t understand why the HBD VDARE site has any problem with this.  Isn’t the lowly White subaltern race supposed to serve their “high, high-IQ” Oriental masters?  Maybe throw in some “measured groveling,” as well – right Derb?

The answer: Either Trump is the most incompetent, lazy, and low-energy President in US history, or he simply doesn’t care (or actually secretly supports the invasion).

But, hey, let’s not forget the Quota Kings (Coulter) and Queens: In Trump We Trust, the God Emperor, the last chance for White America, an American Caesar who will save White demographics.

Wrong, wrong, they’re always wrong.

Sallis in 2015: Trump is a fraud and a vulgar, ignorant buffoon.

Sallis – right, right, he’s always right.

How does a bearded man in a red pickup truck transform into a red-bearded man?

Can TOQ Live host Richard Spencer and Greg Johnson together?  Seriously.  Let them actually debate, instead of sniping.  Also, if TOQ is interested in “academic” style material, my recent refutation of leftist misinterpretations of Lewontin would fit the bill.  Ball in your court, gentlemen.  

Kemp Weeps: Greeks

Population genetics

Read this.  Emphasis added:

Now, ancient DNA suggests that living Greeks are indeed the descendants of Mycenaeans, with only a small proportion of DNA from later migrations to Greece. And the Mycenaeans themselves were closely related to the earlier Minoans, the study reveals, another great civilization that flourished on the island of Crete from 2600 B.C.E. to 1400 B.C.E. (named for the mythical King Minos).

Not surprisingly, the Minoans and Mycenaeans looked alike, both carrying genes for brown hair and brown eyes. Artists in both cultures painted dark-haired, dark-eyed people on frescoes and pottery who resemble each other, although the two cultures spoke and wrote different languages. The Mycenaeans were more militaristic, with art replete with spears and images of war, whereas Minoan art showed few signs of warfare, Lazaridis says. Because the Minoans script used hieroglyphics, some archaeologists thought they were partly Egyptian, which turns out to be false.

When the researchers compared the DNA of modern Greeks to that of ancient Mycenaeans, they found a lot of genetic overlapModern Greeks share similar proportions of DNA from the same ancestral sources as Mycenaeans, although they have inherited a little less DNA from ancient Anatolian farmers and a bit more DNA from later migrations to Greece. 

The continuity between the Mycenaeans and living people is “particularly striking given that the Aegean has been a crossroads of civilizations for thousands of years,” says co-author George Stamatoyannopoulos of the University of Washington in Seattle. This suggests that the major components of the Greeks’ ancestry were already in place in the Bronze Age, after the migration of the earliest farmers from Anatolia set the template for the genetic makeup of Greeks and, in fact, most Europeans. “

Population Genetics: 8/17/17

More refutation of “movement” ethnic fetishism.

Read this.

And then this.

From the original paper (emphasis added):

Phenotype prediction from genetic data has enabled the reconstruction of the appearance of ancient Europeans who left no visual record of their pigmentation. By contrast, the appearance of the Bronze Age people of the Aegean has been preserved in colourful frescos and pottery, depicting people with mostly dark hair and eyes. We used the HIrisPlex tool (Supplementary Information section 4) to infer that the appearance of our ancient samples matched the visual representations (Extended Data Table 2), suggesting that art of this period reproduced phenotypes naturalistically. 

We estimated the fixation index, FST, of Bronze Age populations with present-day West Eurasians, finding that Mycenaeans were least differentiated from populations from Greece, Cyprus, Albania, and Italy (Fig. 2), part of a general pattern in which Bronze Age populations broadly resembled present-day inhabitants from the same region (Extended Data Fig. 7).

No, no, a thousand times, no! 

Seriously though, I believe we will find that (relative) genetic continuity is more the rule rather than the exception.  The big changes in population composition are occurring today, and it’s probably more realistic to concentrate on preserving our genetic interests today than indulging in increasingly refuted “movement” ethnic fetishism.

Race in the News, 10/14/16

Two items.

As we know, the superior stocks of Northern Europe tend to be taller than the stubby subhuman swarthoid kebabs of Southern Europe.  A study concluded (emphasis added):

First, the Iberian Neolithic and Chalcolithic samples show selection for reduced height relative to both the Anatolian Neolithic (P = 0.042) and the central European Early and Middle Neolithic (P = 0.003). Second, we detect a signal for increased height in the steppe populations (P = 0.030 relative to the central European Early and Middle Neolithic). These results suggest that the modern South–North gradient in height across Europe is due to both increased steppe ancestry in northern populations, and selection for decreased height in Early Neolithic migrants to southern Europe.

Once again, we see that a genetic difference between North and South in Europe was most likely already in place by the Neolithic. That’s actually consistent with much of Der Movement’s heavy breathing about “high-trust” hunter gatherers, and is also consistent with other findings as well.  It is also consistent with the Ancient Romans (including those of earlier periods) noticing profound phenotypic differences between themselves and the Gauls and Germans (including differences in physical dimensions), and the Ancient Greeks noticing differences between themselves and other Europeans as well.  Of course, Der Movement doesn’t want to realize that the Neolithic preceded the Classical World and not the other way around. Can’t let anything disrupt the Narrative – that would be blasphemy.

Typical Negro behavior here.  Multiply incidents like this a million times, and throw in the usual addition of criminal violence, lazy stupidity, and an utter lack of any creativity, productivity, and achievement whatsoever and you have a recipe for complete civilizational collapse.

Der Movement in the News, 5/17/16

Two items.

Durocher, the Clark Kent (or is it Superman?*) of Der Movement tells us that Madison Grant (of all people!) was “more pan-European” than Hitler.  Well, the great Durocher is probably right about that. If so, what does that say about Saint Adolf, and more to the point, what does it say about Der Movement that worships him?

The Ancient Greeks, especially the heroes of Homer, were of course “northern” and foreign to the “Mediterranean” world.  Thus speaks TOO (and the books they review)! Questions: Were they from inside or outside the Hajnal line?  Were they high-trust hunter-gatherer stock?  Did they look like Dolph Lundgren or like David Bromstad?  Inquiring minds want to know!

* I’m always amused by DC Comics’ idea that wearing glasses (Superman) or a domino mask (Robin) is sufficient to conceal a secret identity.