Ted,This will be your last comment here. You’ve got your own blog for your embittered rants. You no longer have anything constructive to contribute.Greg Johnson
Category: Counter Currents
Another in an endless series of failures and humiliations.
I am sure that by now readers know about the latest unmitigated “movement” disaster, the all-too-predicable infiltration and “exposure” of the Alt Right by a heroic two-fisted Swede (“Oh, look at what a tough guy I am, I really wanted to punch those Nutzis in the face, but I didn’t want to damage my manicure on their coke-bottom spectacles”).
In May of this year, I went to London to speak at the London Forum and the first annual Jonathan Bowden dinner. Stead Steadman introduced me to a young Swedish man going by the name Erik Hellberg. I was told that Erik was, like so many others, a newcomer to the movement who was going to write a master’s thesis on doxing, deplatforming, and harassment directed at White Nationalists.
The day after the London Forum, Stead and I met with Erik in a quiet hotel bar for a brief interview. I talked about my own experiences of harassment in San Francisco. We also talked a bit about White Nationalism in general, as well as other people he might interview. I suggested he talk to Charles Krafft, who had much more interesting stories than mine.
Erik seemed a nice enough fellow. A bit socially awkward, a bit inarticulate, a bit effeminate, but not so outside the norm for academic types that I felt suspicious. And he came with the recommendation of Stead Steadman.
Later Erik told me he was going to the US. I told him that friends of mine were holding a Northwest Forum meeting Seattle in June, and it would be an opportunity to interview Charles. I figured that if he had passed vetting for the London Forum and the Bowden Dinner, he would be fine for the Northwest Forum as well. (Stead actually has a reputation for being too strict in his vetting procedures, which made it impossible for some of Millennial Woes’ fans to see him speak at the May Forum.)
I initially commented on that at Counter-Currents thus:
First, I am sorry that Greg and others had this bad experience with the low-rent piece of dishonest trash Hermansson.
Second, I’ve been involved with the “movement” since the mid-90s, and I must say that this sort of thing happens with distressing regularity. WNs too nice? Too trusting? Yes, but also horrifically bad security. There needs to be a careful evaluation of this case. How did Hermansson pass the “extreme vetting?” What went wrong? There also needs to be accountability. Hermansson was recommended by “Stead Steadman” (whoever that is). Very well. Why? What credentials did Hermansson have that impressed Steadman to his sincerity? Without accountability and without responsibility, nothing will ever change.
And can I suggest that “newcomers to the movement” not be invited to private events? Unfair to those who are sincere? Yes, but too bad. Perhaps a higher level of personal interaction needs to be earned.
And how did this nice Swedish fellow get through Steadman’s “extreme vetting” and all the other “extreme vetting” that would likely have had a Codreanu or an Evola booted out with a swift kick in the rear? Well, I had my suspicions, but kept it to myself until the other shoe dropped (emphasis added):
Mr. Hermansson, who was sent undercover by the British anti-racist watchdog group Hope Not Hate, spent months insinuating himself into the alt-right, using his Swedish nationality (many neo-Nazis are obsessed with Sweden because of its “Nordic” heritage) as a way in.
Hermansson also notes in the video how Steadman’s interest with “Germanic paganism” (who would have ever guessed?) made Steadman and friends vulnerable to the attentions of a Scandinavian Nordic
Hoist on the petard of its own Nordicism, ethnic affirmative action, and ethnic fetishism – Der Movement marches on. Can I say: I told you so? Yes, indeed, as any reader of EGI Notes know well. Please note how the enemy knows Der Movement well also: who they choose as an infiltrator, knowing that a Nordic Scandinavian will be given a free pass and handed the keys to the kingdom.
We have a “movement” that ridiculed and killed a Joe Tommasi but that welcomes an infiltrating scumbag like Hermansson with open arms – and then any have the nerve to assert that there is no such thing as “affirmative action” in Der Movement? Have you ever seen such a bunch of dishonest individuals with zero self-awareness? The anti-racists know better, and use that knowledge against the “movement” and its obsessions, as we see in this case.
More from Johnson:
I also suggested that Erik speak briefly at the Northwest Forum about his research project, to see if others in attendance would be interested in an interview.
It turns out that Erik Hellberg is really named Patrik Hermansson, and he was a spy for the antifa group Hope Not Hate. Not only was he recording interviews with people, he was also wearing a hidden camera and taking videos, and the results of his year-long investigations are going to be released as a documentary video.
My initial reaction to this news was a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. I imagine that everyone Erik spoke to felt the same way. He certainly made the rounds, attending the Extremists Club in London, the London Forum, the Northwest Forum, and even Unite the Right in Charlottesville, insinuating his way into the good graces of Jez Turner and Stead Steadman, and interviewing not only me but also Millennial Woes, Tom Sunic, Gregory Lauder-Frost, Jason Jorjani, and Daniel Friberg, as well as chatting up countless people at various events.
It is terrible to feel that one’s trust has been violated by a rat, and it is even worse to feel that you lent your credibility to such a person, so he could violate even more people’s trust. In particular, I must apologize to the 30-odd people at the Northwest Forum who were exposed to this snitch because of me…I also have to laugh at the pretense that Hermansson was risking his life. The only person who ever harmed him was a fellow Leftist in Charlottesville. Frankly, one of the chief lessons of this fiasco is that White Nationalists are far too nice. One always regrets being too kind…I wanted to see how long it would take before a photo got out, and I wanted to see who would finally put it out there: the enemy or one of the many loathsome people in our movement. I was betting it would be movement scum, and I was right. An old photo of me was dug up and circulated in January, and other pictures were surreptitiously taken at the last AmRen conference. So Hope Not Hate is a distant third.
In his post, Greg talks about Jorjani. Let’s take a look in that direction to see what it tells us about the “movement.” Paradoxically (or perhaps not, if one views the fundamental basis of the “movement” as hostility to Southern and Eastern [in that order] Europeans), for some “leaders” Nordicism is mixed with Judeophilia or Oriental worship or an Aryan fetishism that imagines racial comrades in Iran and India. As an example of the latter was the bizarre Alt Right infatuation with Jorjani. Apparently Jorjani, subject to ethnoracial insults only a fraction of that experience by the typical “movement Euro-swarthoid” has broken with the Alt Right. Read (emphasis added):
I hereby resign, effective immediately, from the Alt-Right Corporation that I co-founded and from my position as the Editor-in-Chief of Arktos Media. Of course, I remain a shareholder in both companies and, upon my return home to New York, I will enter into what I hope will be a brief buyout negotiation with my partners Richard Spencer and Daniel Friberg so that the shares I hold may remain within the movement’s leadership. (I am currently in San Francisco, for a private meeting concerning research and development of exotic technology that may someday serve the Iranian Air Force.) It should be added that, from now on, former associates within the Alt-Right movement of Europe and North America ought to consider any interactions with me as diplomatic relations with a representative of the coming post-Islamic political order of Iran and the wider Persianate world. This point cannot be overemphasized. Over the next few years, we will be watching with a hawk’s eye to identify the true friends and enemies of our archeo-futurist Iran.
And read (emphasis added):
What is worse is that in the long months of the Spring of 2017, as I waited for funding to materialize, I watched the corporation that was my brainchild turn into a magnet for white trash…The comments sections of our website devolved into a cesspool filled by the most despicable pond scum, former 4-chaners who would routinely pile on in trolling attacks against me every time I published something with a bit of intellectual content. “Iranians is brown poo-poo people” kind of sums it up. I decided to stop contributing until the investment came in and I could really clean things up…In May, at a meeting in London, I was assured by the investors that the obstacles had at last been cleared and I could expect our collaboration to begin in June. When I reported this to Richard at a New York lunch at the end of the same month, he thoughtlessly and angrily dismissed a plan that the investors had shared with me for creating an economic and security corridor from the Baltic Sea to the Black Sea and across to the Caucasus. This “Neo-Scythian” Ukraine-based approach to the long-term revitalization and liberation of Europe – linked to a future, post-Islamic Greater Iran via the Caucasus – offended the Russophilia that has been fostered by his wife.
Comment on that is superfluous, other than to note, for the edification of third party observers, that this is the fellow elevated by the Alt Right to a position high in their councils, and who was turned on by the “movement” base only because of his obsessive harping about the greater glories of “archeo-futurist Iran.” The Alt Right is the lowest sewer of the “movement,” it is a curse on racial nationalism, and anyone who thought it a good idea to give this Jorjani any sort of “movement” forum has, in my opinion, advertised their abysmal lack of good judgement for all to see.
I could say: I told you so. So I will: I told you so. Check the “Jorjani” archives at this blog for proof of that.
Accountability? None. “Movement” leadership admitting gross negligence? Don’t make me laugh. Change? Don’t expect it.
Ultimately, it is the ran-and-file of the “movement” who are responsible for this. They can change the “movement,” alter its culture and eschew its obsessions, end its affirmative action program, and force accountability for leadership. All they need to do is “vote with their feet” (or with their computers, for the digitally inclined, which is the vast majority these days). Gravitate to different leadership, visit different blogs and websites, and donate in other directions. Will they do so? For the most part no, for they share these same obsessions, fetishes, and fossilized dogmas as the leadership they so slavishly follow…right off the cliff.
Dumb and useless Right.
That folks are willing throw away money on an execrable piece of filth like Derbyshire tells you all you need to know about why Whites are in steep decline. If you are going to donate, give to Counter-Currents, for example. It’s clear I disagree with them strongly on some issues, but at least it is a pro-White, intellectually sound site. Derbyshire is the opposite of that.
Yeah, Trump “resisted” – the far-left, White-hating, cuck buffoon signed it, didn’t he? Yegads, the delusional Trump worship on the Right knows no bounds. Trump can make a speech announcing that there are too many Whites in America and that he’s sending out death squads to cull the White herd, and the fanboys will mumble about “4-D chess” and how Trump is nobly “resisting” pressure, since after all, he’s only going to kill most White Americans, not all of them. The lickspittle Trumpism from the Right does nothing but continue to discredit our cause.
Truth be told, many on the Right are more concerned with defending their majestically obese hero Trump than with defending their own ethnic genetic interests. Truth be told, if Obama had signed this resolution, the usual suspects would be screaming “White genocide.” Truth be told, continued Trump worship goes beyond bad judgment and now delves into the realm of some sort of sick masochistic homoerotic obsession.
What’s the Alt Right going to do? The fundamental basis of its entire ideology is under attack.
Greg Johnson makes what are probably the best possible arguments in favor of ethnonationalism vs. a more integrated pan-Europeanism. I will now respond to these arguments. It should go without saying that although I will be sharply critical, this is business, not personal; this is about ideology, not personality.
Also note that some of the difference is semantic and there is overlap between our positions; for example, I absolutely demand that distinct European peoples and cultures be preserved. I oppose any general panmixia and I oppose the idea that all sovereignty, particularly local, should be taken over by a “super-state.” On the other hand, apparently, real differences exist, so let’s evaluate these differences.
Why should sovereignty reside in ethnostates rather than in more inclusive orders, such as the European Union or the “Imperium” envisioned by Francis Parker Yockey?
It is certainly curious that activists who disagree with Yockey on the single most fundamental aspect of his thought – his Imperium, the title of his most famous book – revere his memory. Certainly, one can revere someone one disagrees with, but the extreme discordance between a most fundamental – indeed existential – disagreement, and the degree of reverence, is unusual. More important, the way that Yockey’s idea is portrayed by the ethnonationalists is a strawman argument. Yockey made it clear in a variety of his works that within his Imperium, European peoples would maintain local sovereignty and maintain their identities. So, the implication that Yockey supported a radical panmixia of Europe’s peoples and cultures is incorrect.
Or, more grandly, the “Eurosiberia” of Jean Thiriart and Guillaume Faye? Or, grander still, the union of the whole Northern Hemisphere, the “Borean alliance” or “Septentrion” of Jean Mabire and Volchock?
The principal benefits attributed to political unification are (1) preventing whites from fighting one another, and (2) protecting whites from other racial and civilizational power blocs like China, India, and the Muslim world.
These are only the “defensive” benefits – the “anti-negative” ones. It ignores the positive, de novo benefits, which I’ll discuss at the end after tackling the arguments against these defensive benefits.
These goals are important, but I think that political unification is not needed to attain them. Beyond that, it entails serious risks of its own.
As I write in my essay “Grandiose Nationalism“:
The essential feature of any scheme of political unification is the transfer of sovereignty from the constituent parts to the new whole. If sovereignty remains with individual states, then one does not have political unification. Instead, one has an “alliance” between states, or a “treaty organization” like NATO, or an “intergovernmental organization” like the United Nations, or an economic “customs union” like the European Common Market, or a hybrid customs union and intergovernmental organization like the European Union.
Why does sovereignty have to be all or nothing? If even Yockey’s Imperium and Lowelll’s Imperium Europa (not mentioned above) would entail some sort of local sovereignty, what’s the point? Why this semantic trick of making the choice between ethnonationalism and a ruthlessly fully integrated monolithic state – unless it is just to shill for ethnonationalism? Even in the USA, individual states retain some local sovereignty – not as much as “states’ rights advocates would want, but some – does this mean the USA is not in any way politically unified?
As I argue in “Grandiose Nationalism,” political unification is not necessary to prevent whites from fighting one another or to secure whites from external threats:
These aims can be attained through alliances and treaties between sovereign states. A European equivalent of NATO, which provides Europe with a common defense and immigration/emigration policy and mediates conflicts between sovereign member states would be sufficient, and it would have the added value of preserving the cultural and subracial distinctness of different European groups.
The sort of pan-European integration I envision would absolutely preserve “the cultural and subracial distinctness of different European groups” – indeed, that would be one of its guiding principles. The idea that pan-Europeanists favor a destructive panmixia – certainly implied here by contrasting the allegedly preserving properties of ethnonationalism – is a strawman argument I have dissected before, including in essays on Counter-Currents. Then we have the question: how to enforce these “alliances and treaties” on the “sovereign states?” If they can drop out, consistent with their absolute sovereignty, and go their own way – say, forming anti-European alliances with the Colored world – then “alliances and treaties” among Europeans are worthless for long-term policy. Do we coerce them (see below)?
The threat of non-white blocs should not be exaggerated. France, the UK, or Russia alone are militarily strong enough to prevail against anything that Africa, India, or the Muslim world can throw at us — provided, of course, that whites are again morally strong enough to take their own side in a fight. A simple alliance of European states would be able to deter any Chinese aggression. Thus a defensive alliance between European states would be sufficient to preserve Europe from all outside forces, whether they be armed powers or stateless masses of refugees and immigrants.
This is wrong on two counts. First, it assumes that European states can form alliances against outside threats (including a China that has hundreds of millions more people than all Europeans worldwide combined) but that non-Europeans cannot. What if the Colored world decides to form an alliance against Europe? Doesn’t “non-white blocs” actually suggest the sort of dangerous and comprehensive pan-Colored alliance that a “simple alliance” of European states is unlikely to be able to handle long term? What if the clash of civilizations heats up? Is some sort of flimsy “defensive alliance” – consisting of petty nationalists all with their own conflicting agendas – going to be sufficient? Second, this argument is inconsistent with a point made elsewhere in this essay – that if a European ethnostate begins behaving badly, the other states can wage war against it and eliminate that threat. What about “France, the UK, or Russia” – nuclear armed states each of which is strong enough to stand against, according to Greg, a nuclear armed India with its own enormous bigger-than-Europe population? Will Europe’s “defensive alliance” then wage a nuclear war against “France, the UK, or Russia” if those states behave badly? If those states could defeat anything that “Africa, India, or the Muslim world” can throw at them, couldn’t they also defeat – or at least cause catastrophic destruction to – the European “defensive alliance?” You can’t have it both ways.
As for white fratricide: the best way to defuse white ethnic conflicts is not to combat “petty” nationalism but to take it to its logical conclusion. If different ethnic groups yoked to the same system are growing restive, then they should be allowed to go their own ways. Through moving borders and moving peoples, homogeneous ethnostates can be created, in which each self-conscious people can speak its own language and practice its own customs free from outside interference. Such a process could be mediated by a European treaty organization, which could insure that the process is peaceful, orderly, humane, and as fair as possible to all parties.
So, the sovereignty and desires of ethnonationalists will be over-ridden by a “European treaty organization” who will make decisions that would, no doubt, offend the petty nationalist interests (taken to their logical conclusion no doubt!) of individual European peoples. And when you are taking petty nationalism to its logical conclusion, and encouraging ever-increasing distinctions between European peoples, how will you then herd this group of hissing ethno-cats into a “European treaty organization” and force them to abide by its rulings when such rulings go against them? Coercion? Force? Ethnic cleansing?
International crises are by their very nature interruptions in the normal order of things, which also means that their duration is limited, so eventually everything goes back to normal. Military alliances are also shifting and temporary things, but political unification aims at permanence and is very difficult to undo. Does it really make sense to make permanent changes in the political order to deal with unusual and temporary problems?
The clash of civilizations is not temporary. It is existential. The Cold War lasted nearly half a century. NATO, cited above as a sterling example of a “shifting and temporary” alliance, has been in existence since 1949 (!) and is still very much with us. Europeans were so dissatisfied with what NATO gave them that they formed (voluntarily, I might add) the EU. Why did they do that? Do you really believe problems of race and culture are “unusual and temporary?” If so, that is disturbing beyond belief.
The ancient Romans appointed dictators in times of emergency, but only for a limited time, because emergencies are temporary, and a permanent dictatorship is both unnecessary and risky.
Those same Romans who formed an empire, producing Pax Romana.
But what would happen if a sovereign European state signed a treaty to host a gigantic Chinese military base? Or if it fell into the hands of plutocrats who started importing cheap non-white labor? Clearly such policies would endanger all of Europe, therefore, it is not just the business of whatever rogue state adopts those policies. What could the rest of Europe do to stop this? Isn’t this why we need a politically unified Europe?
The answer, of course, is what all sovereign states do when they face existential conflicts of interest: they go to war. Other states would be perfectly justified in declaring war against the rogue state, deposing the offending regime, and ethnically cleansing its territory. But then they would set up a new sovereign regime and go home.
This is perhaps the weakest and most inconsistent part of the ethnonationalist argument. You see, we will respect the sovereignty and independence of European states so much that if a sovereign European state does something we do not like, we’ll go to war against them, depose their government, and ethnically cleanse them! Even Big Europe promoters like Yockey and Mosely would blush at that! Let’s ethnically cleanse fellow Europeans because we cannot reasonably balance the fantasy of “sovereignty” with the realities of global geopolitics! Then we have the question of those wonderfully powerful European states like “France, the UK, and Russia,” who, we are told, could easily make hash of India. Most certainly, nuclear armed European states, steeped in the tradition of petty nationalist sovereignty, will let themselves be invaded, their governments deposed, and their territory ethnically cleansed! No doubt – no doubt! – they would just roll over and take that, with no thermonuclear weapons going off on the European continent. And the ethnonationalists deny that their schemes could ever lead to White fratricide!
The idea that we need European unification to prevent such wars is absurd.
Actually, Greg’s own comment about ethnic cleansing among Europeans – which is in my opinion absurd – is a reasonably good justification for European integration (not absolute unification). If ethnonationalism could possibly lead to intra-European war and ethnic cleansing, I’m all for Imperium.
Again, it makes no sense to make permanent changes to solve temporary problems, and it makes no sense to in effect declare war on all sovereign states today because we might have to declare war on one of them tomorrow.
The problems faced are not temporary (are you serious?) and having Europeans come together voluntarily (the EU was not formed by war, was it?) is not “declaring war on all sovereign states.” The only argument talking about war, deposing governments, and ethnically cleansing Europeans is the ethnonationalist argument I’m responding to. Indeed, that is the petty nationalist mindset behind WWI and WWII.
Political unification is not only unnecessary, it is dangerous, simply because if it fails, it would fail catastrophically. It is not wise to put all one’s eggs in one basket, or to grow only one crop, or to breed a “homogeneous European man,” for when the basket breaks — or blight strikes the potato crop — or a new Spanish flu pandemic breaks out, one is liable to lose everything.
The “eggs in one basket” argument is probably the best one made here against integration, but the same can be said of the nation state. An alliance – even temporary – can be subverted as well. A European Imperium in which the member states meet in a Senate to make decisions would require subversion of the majority of the member states in order for the “basket” to destroy the “eggs.” I’ve never argued for a narrow leadership caste making all decisions for the White world; rather an integrated system of European peoples deciding together.
A politically unified Europe would necessarily be ruled by a small, polyglot elite that is remote from and unresponsive to the provinces and their petty concerns, which they take great pride in denigrating for the greater good.
Necessarily? Unlike those grand ethnonationalists like Churchill and de Gaulle, responsive to their citizens, who moved heaven and earth to prevent their homelands from being flooded with aliens? No, wait…
If that elite became infected by an anti-European memetic virus — or corrupted by alien elites — it would have the power to destroy Europe, and since there would be no sovereign states to say no, nothing short of a revolution could stop them.
Indeed, the leadership of the present-day European Union is infected by just such a memetic virus, and it is doing all it can to flood Europe with non-whites. The only thing stopping them is the fact that the European Union does not have sovereign power, and stubborn sovereign ethnostates like Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, and Slovakia are saying no.
The EU as not formed on a racial nationalist basis. The idea that individual sovereign European states would not have flooded themselves with non-Whites is disproved by the 20th century history of France and the UK. Why not cite Western Europe instead of the nations of Central and Eastern Europe? Indeed, nation states can be subverted as well, the ethnonationalist solution to which I assume is invasion, deposing governments, and ethnic cleansing.
And again, in my scheme, major decisions would have to be agreed on by the majority of nation states. If a majority of European states can be subverted, them what’s the benefit of sovereignty? The result is the same each way.
Even if a European Union were the only way to stop another Europe-wide war, the terrible truth is that, despite all the losses, Europe managed to recover from the two World Wars.
And set itself on the road to overall racial-culture dispossession and destruction. And what about the terrible dysgenic effects of those wars? Indeed, the entire White world was shattered by the fratricidal conflicts brought to us by petty nationalism.
But it would not recover from race-replacement immigration promoted by a sovereign European Union.
As opposed to the nation-level race-replacement immigration that France and the UK instituted independent of the EU?
Moreover, at a certain point, the EU is going to face a choice. If Poland or Hungary vetoes non-white immigration once and for all, the EU will either have to accept its dissolution or use coercion to hold itself together. In short, the EU may very well cause rather than prevent the next European “brothers’ war.”
The EU is anti-European. And would the EU’s coercion be any different from that which Greg himself advocates above? He himself proposes “brothers’ wars” including ethnic cleansing in order to maintain an unworkable conglomeration of squabbling ethnostates.
A politically unified Europe would eliminate the principle of the equality of sovereign nations under international law. But it would not eliminate the existence of nations.
Hey! I thought we’d all lose our ethnic and cultural distinctiveness. Now we won’t?
And in a common market and political system, certain national groups — principally the Germans — would have systematic advantages and end up on top. This means that a unified Europe would end up being a de facto German empire, since Germany has the largest population and the strongest economy. Does anyone really think that the French or the Poles would relish living under the hegemony of priggish self-loathing German technocrats?
This is wrong on many levels. First, the knee-jerk appeal to crude anti-German sentiment doesn’t bode well for the “love and harmony” that ethonationalism would allegedly bring. Second, why would we expect that a future racial nationalist Europe would have “self-loathing German technocrats?” Isn’t getting rid of such people the whole point, even under ethonationalism? Third, schemes could be put in place to prevent individual nations from dominating the whole. Fourth, what stops a priggish petty nationalist Germany from bullying other ethnonationalist European states? Shall we ethnically cleanse the Germans, then?
Finally, if proponents of European unification hold that it is not really a problem for Greeks and Swedes, Poles and Portuguese to live under a single sovereign state, on what grounds, exactly, are we complaining about multiculturalism and diversity? If the EU can encompass the differences between the Irish and the Greeks, why can’t it encompass the differences between Greeks and Turks, or Greeks and Syrians, etc.?
So now ethnonationalists make anti-racist (or Nordicist) arguments that differences between European groups are at the same level as that between Europeans and non-Europeans. Having those nasty Greeks in the same general polity as you means you must also have Turks and Syrians. After all, what’s the difference, right?
The ethnonationalist vision is of a Europe — and a worldwide European diaspora — of a hundred flags, in which every self-conscious nation has at least one sovereign homeland, each of which will strive for the highest degree of homogeneity, allowing the greatest diversity of cultures, languages, dialects, and institutions to flourish.
And if they misbehave, they will be ethnically cleansed.
Wherever a citizen turns, he will encounter his own flesh and blood, people who speak his language, people whose minds he can understand. Social life will be warm and welcoming, not alienating and unsettling as in multicultural societies.
After all, those Greeks are so alien, that dealing with them is as multicultural as dealing with Syrians! Or Nigerians!
Because citizens will have a strong sense of identity, they will know the difference between their own people and foreigners.
Like the French and British did on their own?
Because they will control their own borders and destinies, they can afford to be hospitable to diplomats, businessmen, tourists, students, and even a few expatriates, who will behave like grateful guests. These ethnostates will be good neighbors to one another, because they have good fences between them and homes to return to when commerce with outsiders becomes tiring.
And depose each other’s governments and cleanse their populations if they exercise their sovereignty too vigorously.
The citizens of these states will be deeply steeped in their mother tongues and local cultures, but they will also be educated in the broader tradition of European high culture. They will all strive for fluency in at least one foreign language. They will appreciate that all Europeans have common roots, common enemies, and a common destiny.
The leadership caste of each ethnostate will be selected to be both deeply rooted in its own homeland but also to have the broadest possible sense of European solidarity. This ethos will allow political cooperation between all European peoples through intergovernmental and treaty organizations, as well as ad hoc alliances. There will be special emphasis in promoting collective ventures in science, technology, national defense, ecological initiatives, and space exploration.
I don’t know – that sounds a lot like the sort of pan-Europeanism, and pan-European integration, I favor. Let the common people preserve their local identities and enjoy local sovereignty, while representatives of the European elite come together in some sort of pan-European Senate, of an Imperium of confederated European-derived states, to deal with the issues at hand.
Thus, I conclude, as promised above, with the positive aspects of integration. First, to promote the idea that “all Europeans have common roots, common enemies, and a common destiny” – an idea that is frankly not very compatible with a mindset that celebrates and promotes ever-increasing levels of micro-distinctiveness among Europeans. Yes, people should be allowed to sort themselves out at the micro-level, and yes, homogeneous regions are best, and yes, local sovereignty will be respected. But there’s a subtle yet crucially important difference between letting people sort themselves out naturally, while promoting the pan-European ideal, as opposed to the scheme in which the highest principle, the raison d’être, of the system is petty nationalist atomization. I instead propose a raison d’être of European unity and cooperation, with local sovereignty being secondary, while Johnson’s essay makes atomization primary and some sort of loose cooperation secondary.
Space exploration and other advanced science/technics, coordination of racial policies/eugenics, promoting the creation of novel and inspiring cultural artifacts, grand construction, and other things of which we may not even yet conceived, would be the positive outcome of a reasonable level of integration, things perhaps not achievable in an ethnonationalist scenario in which the fundamental guiding principle is how different we all are from each other.
Further, if Yockey (he of sainted memory) was right that the organic evolution of the West involves the greater integration of Europe, then those who oppose this integration are guilty of Culture Retardation.
Ethnonationalism wrecked the White world with their world wars and even today, ethnonationalists in Europe obsess over borders, get humiliated in elections, and in the UK, we have a Brexit that despises “Polish plumbers” while embracing Zionists and “Commonwealth” Pakis, West Indians, and Nigerians.
In a phrase: I veto your dream.
Points to note.
Read this important essay on the Chinese threat.
Riki on the Silkers (emphasis added):
You brought up an interesting and thought-provoking point in your comment, regarding the infiltration of the White nationalism/race realism as its new target. If that is true, which seems so at least tentatively according to the explanation you gave, this makes China all the more resemble the Jewry on the matter of internal infiltration and manipulation of the White resistance movement, something that proves my previously and repeatedly made claim on the similarity of China and Jewry, and merits our closest attention and fullest alarm.
It is indeed ludicrous beyond belief that some people on the Right believe it’s a good thing to let the Chinese colonize and exercise control over the West to enforce border and order at gun point, which reminds of me the similar admiration of some White nationalist elements for the “strong”, “traditional” or “virile” character of the Islam or black nationalism, and hoping them to salvage the White western civilization. It is of course valuable to learn from the strengths of our adversaries, but desiring to be ruled by them is an unmistakable sign of inexorable weakness, fecklessness and cowardice and a sure recipe for ultimate failure and racial and civilization suicide as it is tantamount to giving up on our own identity and independence, rendering the whole idea of White nationalism and White racial survival utterly meaningless.
We don’t want or need immigration from India.
More on the leftist cuck Trump.
Another ethnonationalist fail. Of course, Sen himself, and his involvement in “British nationalism,” is an indictment of ethnonationalism. And the continued willingness of TOO to give hum a forum, even after the Giacomo Vallone revelations, tells you something as well.
Typical “movement” stupidity.
“The universal nationalist believes that one can make a case for White Nationalism that would be compelling enough, “reasonable” enough, “fair” enough to garner support from each of these biologically distinct groups.”
This is absolute, unfettered nonsense. Universal nationalism is meant as a meme for Whites, not an attempt to plead with others for our right to exist. That many – most? – Whites are so Universalist in their natural mindset that they require universalism to intrude into nationalism is a fact that needs to be dealt with. Blame all those “high trust hunter gatherers” that the HBD faction is so fond of babbling about. But don’t blame those who understand that the rhetoric of universal nationalism has an appeal to the innate fair mindedness of White folks.
Universal nationalism is fully compatible with “doing what it takes” to secure racial survival. There is nothing in Salter’s book that suggests we need to care what happens to Burma or invest any energy in fighting their battles. Salterism says we need to invest in OURSELVES, while, at the same time, granting the Burmese the same right to do so. We are under no obligation to help them. Of course, “universal nationalism” would tell us that attempts to genocide the Burmese, to colonize them, etc. is morally wrong, so, yes, On Genetic Interests is not compatible with The Turner Diaries – but I thought that the “American New Right” eschewed Pierce’s genocidal fantasies, even independent of Salter?
If the author of this piece (did he actually read Salter’s book?) is so exercised over WNs wasting their time worrying about others, then go over to the Alt Right and chastise them about their obsession with Assad of Syria. I for one – a “universal nationalist” – really could care less about Syrians – apart from that they do not belong in White nations and that the West should not interfere with whatever civil war goes on there. They can all kill each other off, for all I care. That’s my version of “universal nationalism.”
See the sensible comments by “Leon” in the comments thread as well.
I can’t speak for Salter, but he has every right to be annoyed at the typically doltish reception his work has received from the imbecilic “movement.” Also interesting is that when self-styled “racial preservationists” make (in my opinion transparently disingenuous) appeals for a Universalist approach for “preserving all peoples’ no one bats an eye or utters a word of criticism. Let an academic write a book on genetic interests in which “universal nationalism” is suggested as a broad operating principle, and then it is all some sort of big problem. In reality, “universal nationalism” is merely giving others the opportunity to defend their interests, whether they successfully do so or not is their problem. Now, if helping others can be done without harming your own interests, fine, we can all afford to be generous, but there is no obligation to help others at your own expense.
Against the Alt Right.
My view is that we should abandon the Alt Right “brand” entirely. It only functioned when it was sufficiently vague to allow there to be a conversation between White Nationalists and people who were closer to the mainstream, which allowed White Nationalists to make converts and build connections. But Andrew Anglin and Richard Spencer have pursued a strategy of polarization between the Alt Right and what is now called the Alt Lite that has deprived the term of its original utility. So they can keep it.
Readers of this blog are aware that I have never been a supporter of the “big tent” approach. Nevertheless, it must be said that the only way that approach would have worked for the “Alt Right brand” was if it was always made explicitly clear that the Alt Right was nothing more or less than an umbrella group of various disparate rightist factions: hardcore White nationalists, ethnonationalists, Identitarians, Alt Lite civic nationalists, Alt Wrong HBD “race realists,” more extreme Paleocons, Game-Manosphere types, Southern nationalists, etc. Unfortunately, that approach was incoherent from the very beginning.
At the same time the “big tent” approach was promoted, we were also being told that “the Alt Right is the movement” and “the Alt Right is White nationalism” and “the Alt Right is White nationalism or it is nothing at all.” Then came Hailgate, the continued identification of the Alt Right with its more “extreme” elements, and the fallout ensued.
Thus, hardcore White nationalists resented being lumped together with civic nationalist cucks, execrable HBD specimens like Derbyshire, homoerotic Trump fanboys and other hedonistic “game” “pussy nerd” nihilists, and all the rest. Likewise, various non-WN Alt Right factions resisted association with “racist Nazi haters,” or anyone who dared to offend Jews or Orientals, or any “blackpiller” who dared to criticize “God Emperor” Trump. And of course, besides these serious ideological splits, there were those who objected to having the “movement” conflated with the Alt Right’s juvenile jackassery (politely called by the euphemism “youth culture”), and so there was a generational split as well.
Predictably – and some of us, predictably, did predict it – the “shotgun marriage” of the Alt Right fell apart. The Alt Lite tried to take the brand for themselves; failing that, they dissociated themselves from the Alt Right proper (which returned the favor), less “extreme” Alt Wrong elements “threw Spencer under the bus” after Hailgate, there were personal feuds between various racial nationalist/Identitarian/ethnonationalist factions of the Alt Right, and so there has been significant degeneration of the “brand” from its heyday of 2016.
What is the Alt Right now? White nationalism Lite? Racial nationalism for Millennials? Beavis-and-Butthead White nationalism? The vanguard of the Iranian Renaissance?
While my reasons differ from those of Greg, I mirror his call for the rest of you folks to abandon the Alt Right brand. Indeed, with analogy to the “only Nixon could go to China” meme, it would be optimal if Spencer himself would abandon the Alt Right brand, allowing for a “re-set” that hopefully would include lessons learned from errors made by the Alt Right.