Category: Counter Currents

SLC News, 3/13/18

More “movement” stupidity.

This utter crap demonstrates once again why Jef Costello ranks among the worst, most juvenile, and relentlessly asinine, writers on the Right.  Typical of his ilk, he projects his own feelings (not “thoughts” but womanly “feelings”) on everyone else, ignoring known examples of those who disagree.

But I’ve never met anyone…

That’s an example of Costello’s mendacity.  What does he mean by “met?”  If he literally means actually meeting people in person, then that statement may well be correct, but meaningless – how many activists has Costello actually met, and how many of those has he met at Amren conferences or “extreme vetted” Counter-Currents meetings, at which virtually everyone (with the exception of Hermansson and Lewis) would be pro-Taylor?

If we take a broader view of “met” to include “meeting” online then the statement is obviously false.

For example, read this.

And this.

Please note: I am NOT saying I agree with those harsh assessments, but am merely pointing out that they exist.  Yes, Mr. Costello likely never met these people, including Linder, face-to-face, but how can he pretend he doesn’t know that these attitudes exist?  Those comments are not merely disagreements about strategy, they are obviously about character and personality as well.

By the way, several years ago when Greg Johnson write how “disgusting” it is that people in the “movement” support Derbyshire, I ask, who is included in that?  Can you think of a prominent pro-White activist who was among the first to embrace Derbyshire, and invite him to be a featured speaker at conferences?  Maybe Costello can answer that after he’s finished serving breakfast to Mudshark Annie (and perhaps Dinesh as well).

The articles, by Jared and others, are of the highest intellectual caliber, and are uniformly “fact based”:

Yeah, sure they are.

Munro’s anecdotal “hit piece” on Romanians was real “intellectual” and “fact based” and all, just as was the pro-Jewish modifications to the Hornbeck article in MacDonald, as were the ramblings of “Hippocrates,” and the constant promotion of the outrageous pseudoscience of the doddering old charlatan Lynn.

And on another matter read this. Note: “cuck-island-upate” (may be corrected by VDARE later on).

Not sure what an “upate” is, but, as regards the actual story, well, as I said as a riposte to Roissy, some of my best friends are cuck naggers.


Stick a Fork In It

The dying Alt Right and Alt Wrong.

Tenold is a Norwegian Leftist journalist who has spent the last six years “embedded” with the National Socialist Movement, KKK groups, and the Traditionalist Workers Party. The result is basically a book about Matt Heimbach, whose grand strategy, at least in its first phase, is to create a coalition of skinhead, Klan, and National Socialist groups under the TWP banner. We’ll never know what phase two is.

Let us understand this completely in all its implications.  A “Leftist journalist” – by definition, an avowed enemy of White racial interests – spent six years (SIX YEARS!) “embedded” within a number of Far Right groups, and then, using this experience and the inside information thus accumulated, wrote an anti-White “hit piece” book about the “movement.”

Friends and readers, Der Movement, Inc. is worse – far, far, worse – than even I ever imagined or ever wrote about.  It’s worse than a mere clownshow – it’s Pennywise of  King’s novel It – it is the embodiment of sickness and evil and all of you Type I scumbags out there – yes, scumbags, if you are one of those people – are fully responsible for enabling this outrageous disaster.

In case there’s any confusion:


Posted March 7, 2018 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

Wait a second – Heimbach actually ALLOWED this guy to hang around for years? He wasn’t undercover or so?

Greg Johnson

Posted March 7, 2018 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

Yes, he allowed this guy to hang around knowing who he is.

And for six years.  SIX YEARS!  I mean, the Hermansson infiltration was a result of ineptness and Nordicist fetishism and the Lewis infiltration was a result of ineptness and movie fetishism, but those, as bad as they were, were inadvertent errors.  This – this! – was intentional, with malice aforethought.

Hailgate, the cringe-inducing fall of Eli Mosley, and now this terrible book — and I am sure many scandals to come — are all predictable results of crawling into bed with the press.

No, Greg, they are the “predictable results” of the inherent flaws in the Alt Right, Alt Wrong, and Big Tent approaches, with only a few of us (mostly I but to some extent Strom as well) questioned and critiqued.  I PREDICTED the problems and downfall of the Alt Right BEFORE these events happened.

So why do they keep doing it? Why are they such promiscuous attention whores?

Years ago, Matt Parrott told me the cynical strategy behind Heimbach’s active press engagement, and I suspect that similar calculations drive Spencer as well. According to Parrott, most people in this movement lack the “self-esteem” and judgment to choose their own leaders. Instead, they allow the press and groups like the SPLC to anoint their leaders for them. Therefore, if one wants to become a White Nationalist leader, one must court the press and the SPLC.

How does one court the press? By giving them what they want, of course. By fulfilling the stereotypes that advance the enemy’s narrative. Thus Heimbach cheerfully incarnates the fat redneck, while Spencer plays the evil WASP snob. Thus Heimbach and Spencer have a symbiotic relationship with the enemy media. The media love Heimbach and Spencer, because they help cast White Nationalism in a negative light, and Heimbach and Spencer love the media because they believe it will elevate them over their rivals in the movement.

Regardless of my disagreements with Johnson, I’ve never doubted his honesty regarding incidents like this, so I do not doubt that Parrott told Johnson something like what is reported here. Whether or not those comments accurately reflect Heimbach’s thinking on the matter I do not know. But let’s assume for the sake of argument that everything Parrott said is correct and that Johnson’s interpretation of it is also correct.

Yes, Johnson’s outrage is therefore justified. The “leaders” here are outrageous.  But who enabled them?  Der Movement’s Type I rank-and-file are primarily responsible, make no doubt about it, the sort of brainless losers who “lack the ‘self-esteem’ and judgment to choose their own leaders…they allow the press and groups like the SPLC to anoint their leaders for them.”  And Heimbach and company are not the only ones who have done this; I can think of past and present “WN 1.0” “leaders” with a symbiotic relationship with the SPLC just as today’s majestically heroic “WN 2.0 leaders” exhibit..

And although I’ll never reveal – much less on a public forum – confidential details of incidents I personally experienced or otherwise know about, just in the broadest and most vague terms, I can say that there is (at least) one incident of which I am aware that a well-known “movement leader” (past or present, it doesn’t matter) did something unpleasant (for which there were legal consequences, but only locally), something that would reflect badly on their character and “turn off” supporters, something that it is virtually 100% certain that the “watchdog groups” knew about, but they (the “watchdogs”) never – not once – publicized it or commented on it in any way.  That certainly raised my eyebrows – a dastardly hater being protected by the “watchdogs.”  Why?

A paranoid interpretation would have been that the “leader” is/was a mole, but I doubt that.  It’s much simpler than that. I believe it was because the “watchdogs” value/valued the individual in the “leadership” role that he has/had.  He is/was inept and useless, so much the better to impede racialist progress.  You wouldn’t want anyone more competent (if you could find one in Der Movement) in charge, would you?  Also, the individual is/was a good bogeyman to scare old rich Jews into making donations to the “watchdogs.”  A symbiotic relationship indeed.

By the way, Greg Johnson is also culpable, for supporting the Alt Right as long as he did, and by dismissing critics such as myself as “crazy and bitter.”

I guess foresight is crazed insanity and good judgment is bitterness, according to all of our fearless leaders.

More to the point: anyone and everyone who thinks that “business as usual” is acceptable for racial activism is complicit in this continuously unfolding disaster.  When will all of you stand up and cry enough?  Stand up like men and take the “movement” away from those who so obviously misuse and abuse it.

The MSU speech only took place under the most extreme difficulty and duress. Once again, outrageous legal challenges were thrown in our path and overcome. Once again, our people were harassed and targeted like criminals as they attempted to peacefully gather for harmless social gatherings. Private venues were threatened and shut down. Mobs of armed anarchists, openly chanting about “punching Nazis” as they burned American flags, were allowed to attack our people with impunity as the police stood by and watched.

This time, the establishment cleverly targeted our strongest legal advocates before they moved in for the kill. With our lawfare defenses down, the police were free to let the antifa horde attack our people in what has been called another “mini-Charlottesville.”

We were promised a secure parking area and that our ticket-holding event attendees would be protected into and out of the auditorium. Instead, our people were led by police directly into a communist trap. Our people were told by campus police they had to march through the horde of masked thugs to reach the venue.

Why did these people think that any of these promises would be honored?  Haven’t they learned their lesson from previous fiascos? Why are they so naive?

Richard Lynn does not represent “objective science.”  Lynn is a charlatan, a pseudoscientist, an HBDer who grovels to the Altar of Asia.

He should not be stripped of any title for political reasons; instead he should simply be mocked or ignored as the pathetic fraud that he is. If nothing else, his laughable method for “estimating” Irish IQ – averaging completely disparate data sets to achieve a finding that “just happens to” correlate with GDP – should forever disqualify him from being in any way associated with “objective science.”  Non-scientists may shrug at that and say “so what?” but authentic scientists would be shocked at Lynn’s clumsy incompetence (assuming it is merely incompetence).

One can only imagine the tearful hysterical praise that will spew forth from Der Movement when the doddering decrepit Lynn finally drops dead. It will outstrip that for Phil “French Army Surgeon” Rushton, and far outstrip the minimal whimpers for Chris “Yellow Fever” Brand. On a related note, one wonders which HBD retard was “Hippocrates” of Amren?  Rushton?  Brand?  Or someone unfortunately still living like Hart?  A more minor figure?  We also can’t put it past Lynn to praise his own work pseudononymously, or for one of his collaborators to do so.  Given that the HBDers are for the most open and public figure, the pseudonymous aspect of “Hippocrates” raises questions about potential conflicts of interest.  

The pathetic sniggering Eurotrash retardates of the Europa Weekly podcast, ultra-fetishists with sweaty obsessions, can take a look at this reasonable summary of genetic data.  And for their viewing pleasure is an example of an Afrowop hook nose – individual on the left.  No, wait….

The Present Puny and Worthless Race

Der Movement Stupidity.

I’m writing an important piece on “The Strategic Objective” (which will, of course, be completely ignored by Der Movement once posted here); in the meantime, some brief news.

Read this.

Ordinarily, I don’t link to Counter-Currents, but if Greg Johnson wants to do some of my work for me by discrediting the Beavis-and-Butthead Brigade, then link I will.  The problem with that is that Johnson doesn’t go far enough in his criticism, particularly self-criticism over the Hermansson and Lewis infiltrations and his own hysterical, thin-skinned “banning” of anyone who has the temerity to hold him accountable for that (or for anything else). And his own feuding with Spencer (“no truce!”) has been one of the problems. 

Will Bolton’s book ever be mentioned at Counter-Currents?  I hope so; I hope anti-Arktos attitudes won’t get in the way of that.

But, hey, thanks Greg, for letting me know about Red Ice.  The disintegration of the Alt Right proceeds apace.

Johnson won’t tell you though that (despite negative attitudes toward Spencer since 2014 [at least]), Greg was all on-board with the “Alt Right brand” (big tent! big tent!) up until Hailgate and Feudgate, while I (and Strom) was opposed to Alt Right stupidity from the very beginning (and said so not only here but at Counter-Currents comments threads as well). All down the memory hole!


Is somebody monitoring these reporters when they are “embedded,” or are they just allowed to skulk around unsupervised? Has it crossed anyone’s mind that these snoops might be passing along intelligence to the ADL, SPLC, antifa, and law enforcement?

All true, but coming from someone who let Hermansson and Lewis “skulk around unsupervised” at “extreme vetted meetings” this is just a bit too much – chutzpah that goes beyond what one would find at a yarmulke factory.

A commentator writes to Johnson:

At this point, either Anglin is the leader of White Nationalism in America, or you and Anglin are

Cue snare drums and audience laughter.


…we need to penalize attention whores who are building their brands at the expense of the greater movement.

Yes, indeed, I agree completely.  Does Greg have a mirror handy?

White Nationalism 3.0 will be hammered out by Counter-Currents and advocates of American Nationalism like James Allsup, Identity Europa, Anglin & Weev, and Mike Enoch.

Gee, WN 2.0 didn’t last that long, did it?  We’re now getting ready for 3.0.  And look who Johnson thinks will be riding to our rescue. The complete lack of self-awareness is mind-boggling.  These guys couldn’t hammer their way out of a paper bag, much less hammer out an authentic movement. Where is Charles Martel (or Thor) when we need him?  Hammer away!

A commentator:

Tall, thin, attractive, Nordic, well dressed, are all words that come to mind when I think of these guys. This is where the American movement should be.

Sure, that’s the criteria necessary to decide who is appropriate.  After all, it has worked out so well before.  Bring back Patrik Hermansson!  I’m sure he’d like to help with future “extreme vetting.”  But, wait, you guys already have tall, thin, attractive Nordics like Mike Enoch, so you’re all set! 

It’s WN 3.0!  Or WN 30.0!  Or WN Googolplex.0!

These guys think all the iterations of WN are getting better.  They are wrong.  One is reminded of the age-old wisdom:

But Time, which wears out every thing, introduced a more degenerate Race; so that every succeeding Generation is grown more corrupt than the preceding, till we are dwindled down to the present puny and worthless Race.

Indeed.  WN 2.0, 3.0, ad infinitum. Whites as a whole, in fact.  By the way, the growing success of The Black Panther movie is in large part due to the White audience. “The present puny and worthless Race.”


Will these people ever go away?
Not as long as the movement lets a hostile press declare who our leaders are.


Will these people (including the WN 3.0 crowd) ever go away?
Not as long as the “movement” is dominated by Type I activists who practice ethnic affirmative action.

Now, for all about the Afrowops:

Leonard here basically moves into Farrell territory.

Looking at the trends you’d almost think the historically and genetically more germanic north had different instincts than the heavily mixed south.

Yes, because Salvini, just by looking at him, could easily be mistaken for Dolph Lundgren’s younger brother.

By the way, the Italian people would not be “ungovernable” if the worst 10-20% of the population (both north and south) was culled, leaving the more healthy elements behind.  The Campanian 5 Star hero Di Maio looks like a Pakistani for example (a handcuffed Greg Conte weeps softly).  And let’s not forget the northerners – the young Mussolini looked like the younger brother of General Mapache from The Wild Bunch. If that’s reflective of the underlying genetics then no wonder it’s “ungovernable.”  Why should the healthy 80-90% suffer because of a botched minority?

Roissy claims that some of his best friends are “pasta naggers.”  Fair enough.  After all, some of my best friends are cuck naggers, so it all balances out well in the end.

Another important step forward for The God Emperor!  Pepe (and Roissy) weeps.

The Alt Right is White Nationalism 0.5

Pretentious Millennial retards do not a movement make.

Now that is back on line, it’s time to post this, which was written several weeks ago.

Contention: Despite their protestations to the contrary, the Alt Right, exemplified by, but also including Counter-Currents and all the rest, is no different from, and no better than, the “Boomer” and “Generation X” White Nationalism 1.0 that the smug, navel-gazing Millennials love to critique.

Here’s a brief list of some of the most important internal factors which prevented White Nationalism 1.0 from achieving its goals:

Radical Individualism

White Nationalism 1.0 was a much smaller movement and disproportionately attracted an audience of edge cases. These people are extreme non-conformists and expressive individualists. 

Unlike the Alt Righters showing up at rallies like refugees from a cosplay convention.

This stratum of the population is always found at the fringes of society and have a personality type that is resistant to social conditioning. The same characteristic that initially opened their minds to our message holds back the larger social movement when they reach a critical mass.

Unlike the majestic Alt Right, which took advantage of Trumpism to reach out to a wider audience, or did they (“reach out” not including making drunken podcasts or running people down with cars)?  

There are legions of these ornery people out there who are naturally disagreeable and incapable of finding common ground and working with others to advance a common purpose. They are a familiar figure in all marginalized extremist movements. The low trust, anonymous nature of online messageboards is the perfect breeding ground for their worst tendencies.

Unlike the Alt Right, where personalities like Spencer, Friberg, Johnson, TRS, and Jorjani mesh together agreeably and harmoniously.

These gadflys are commonly found engaging in shit stirring and crank spiraling and the distractions they create prevented White Nationalism 1.0 from moving forward. Some common examples of this are unfounded accusations that various people in the movement are secret Jews or homosexuals or enemy agents and other types of conspiracy theories.

Unlike the Alt Right, which, as exemplified by the personalities mentioned above, and their allies, who certainly never – ever! – accuse each other of being CIA plants, gay groomers, buddies with Antifa, Jews, etc.  If you think differently – it’s all “Boomer” lies!

Extreme Message

In many cases, the message of White Nationalism 1.0 was simply too extreme. Many of these people were just unable to communicate with their peers. Their message and presentation was stupid, vicious, crazy or ugly. It was easier for the opposition to brand these people with stereotypes and marginalize them. They responded to their rejection by seeing themselves as part of a chosen few

So, joking about “Jewish children in boxcars” like the Alt Right lulzers do – that’s not “too extreme.”  Considering all Europeans deriving from the south of Vienna (or Munich) and the east of Berlin to be functionally equivalent to Africans and Asians is not “too extreme” either.  Even worse: not only does the Alt Right share the usual 1.0 disdain for Southern and Eastern Europeans, but now they’ve become obsessed with hating the Irish.  Repeating the Know Nothing movement is all real progressive and all.  The Alt Right is All Right!

Negative Atmosphere

We didn’t use the term at the time, but White Nationalism 1.0 could be a “black pill” for its target audience. The chaos and dysfunction created by all the edge cases led to a negative atmosphere. In turn, this led to years of stagnation which led to many people getting demoralized and dropping out of the movement while others were deterred from becoming more active.

Unlike the Alt Right, in which vicious feuding, throwing each other under the bus, womanly gossip, extreme disdain for White ethnics, gross incompetence, and constant panhandling creates a warm and fuzzy “white pill” positive atmosphere. It’s all great for morale and recruiting!

Marginal Figures

As Brett Stevens has pointed out, many of the people who were willing to step forward and become public leaders of White Nationalism 1.0 weren’t the best people.

Well, that’s even more true today.  The folks willing to step forward and become public leaders of “White Nationalism 2.0” aren’t the best people; these are people who have nothing to lose one way or the other.  Lulzing retards, panhandlers, fetishists, cosplay costume actors, idiots who think that “extreme vetting” is asking “are you Swedish?,” folks who took Jorjani seriously and brought us the blessings of Charlottesville 2.0 – are these supposed to be the “best people?”  They are below marginal.  Pierce was a physicist for godssakes, that’s more marginal than the Beavis-and-Butthead crew?  Really, now.


The violent wing of White Nationalism 1.0 would periodically lash out in mass shootings. Usually, this accomplished nothing but creating a wave of negative publicity for the movement.

Certainly, the Alt Right and their rallies have never been associated with violence, no sir.

Impractical Mindset

White Nationalism 1.0 was far too focused on violent, apocalyptic scenarios in the distant future. It thought much less about the here and now, how to create a bridge between the present the future, the small steps that need to be taken to get us on the path to achieving our goals. “Naming the Jew” became a fixation for many of these people. 

The Alt Right of course never mentions Jews at all.  Except when they accuse each other of being Jews, are married to Jews, and/or joke about putting Jews into ovens.

What do you do after the Jew has been named though?

You dress up like Captain America, go to Charlottesville, and then run when things get hot.

Narrow Message

I agree with Brett Stevens that White Nationalism 1.0 was too narrow. The message often never got beyond a desire to be rid of all the Jews and non-Whites. Even if that were accomplished, many of these people failed to realize that it is the nature of liberal democracy itself which leads to this outcome. The system naturally exhausts, disintegrates and perverts its host culture. The presence of Jews exacerbates its worst tendencies and acts as a catalyst that accelerates the timetable.

White Nationalism 2.0 is broad indeed.  Not only do the 2.0 leaders get along famously, but the ties between Alt Right and Alt Lite are tighter than ever!  Behold the Big Tent!

Failure To Exploit The Internet

The internet was a great new tool, but it was misused in its earliest years. The rise of online forums was a double-edged sword. It brought countless new people into the movement and successfully educated them in our beliefs and values, but it also gave them a safe outlet for role playing. White Nationalism 1.0 never got beyond shitposting on forums and remained bottled up online.

While 2.0 gives us drunken shitpodcasting.  Good work.

Prioritizing Politics

I think the biggest error of White Nationalism 1.0 was prioritizing politics. This ossified over time into the strategic division between mainstreamers and vanguardists. The mainstreamers believed in ultimate political victory through winning elections while the vanguardists believed in either violent revolution or creating small groups of the chosen few and waiting for the collapse of civilization.

Wow, it’s a good thing the Alt Right didn’t get all wrapped up with Trump and his campaign.  The refreshing sense of distance that the Alt Right always maintained from Trumpism is to their credit now that Trump is The Cuck Emperor. Tragicomedy.

Neither of these strategies worked because politics is downstream from culture. The mainstreamers were always politically marginalized and contained by the dominant taboos. The vanguardists were either perceived as destructive when they lashed out in violent acts or they spent all their time preaching to the choir which limited their influence and effectiveness. Both groups took White identity and various other cultural assumptions for granted which were no longer shared by their target audience which had become a herd of pleasure seeking, deracinated individualists.

As opposed to today, where the Alt Right has been so successful in turning the masses into racially aware heroes that the ethnostate is just around the corner.  However, when you look around that corner, just watch out for Leftist flamethrowers, ramming cars, and Trump signing congressional orders denouncing you and marshaling federal resources against you.

The Alt Right = White Nationalism 0.5. The same dogma, the same marginal personalities, the same propensity to “acting out” violence, the same freakishness, as version 1.0, but coarsened and worsened by dumbing it all down for Internet “youth culture.”

The Ethnic Genetic Interests of Imperium

Optimizing European EGI

By Imperium, I obviously mean Yockey’s overarching idea, not his book. In the debate between “Big Europe” pan-Europeanism, as exemplified by Yockey, and atomized ethnonationalism, where do ethnic genetic interests (EGI) fit in?

First, let us clear up misconceptions about Yockey, misconceptions that assert he advocated a complete European panmixia in which all distinctions between Europeans would disappear.

English, German, French, Italian, Spanish — these are now mere place-names and linguistic variations. Like all of the other rich products of our great Culture, they will continue but they are no longer political terms. Local cultures in Europe may be as diversified as they wish, and they will enjoy a perfect autonomy in the European Imperium, now that the oppression of vertical nationalism is dead. Anyone who seeks to perpetuate petty-statism or old-fashioned nationalism is the inner enemy of Europe. He is playing the game, of the extra-European forces, he is dividing Europe and committing treason.

Treason now has only one meaning to Europe: it means serving any other force than Europe. There is only one treason now, treason to Europe. The nations are dead, for Europe is born.

“Local cultures in Europe may be as diversified as they wish, and they will enjoy a perfect autonomy…” – hopefully that clarifies the dishonest “Yockey wanted to eliminate all intra-European particularisms” argument.

We also need to keep in mind that Yockey wrote this several years after the end of WWII; faced with the undisputable poisonous fruit from the ethnonationalist tree, Yockey championed a militant pan-Europeanism, an ideal which he would likely have championed anyway (even without the war and its aftermath) – although perhaps with less stringent rhetoric – because he saw a United Europe as the next step in the organic evolution of the West. But no doubt his ill-concealed rage toward those who questioned, in any way, his vision was in part due to the devastation he saw around him – although I must say I agree with him that those who continue to try and divide Europe are indeed traitors (intentionally or not).

Small-minded and short-sighted “activists” today, who have forgotten the lessons of two world wars, instead look at the EU and recoil at any idea of European unity.  One cannot just look at what’s right in front of them, but also look toward the ages. That’s something that today’s “movement” pygmies are incapable of doing. In any case, Yockey suggests eliminating European nations as political entities, with Europe itself being the only political entity with real sovereignty; on the other hand, Yockey allows for local autonomy in this scheme, preservation of local cultures and, presumably then, preservation of the ethnic stocks actualizing those cultures.

There are of course EGI costs and benefits to Yockey’s imperial scheme.  Let’s consider EGI, in a qualitative sense, along the ethnonationalist/pan-European continuum.  What are the options? We need to find the “sweet spot” where maximum genetic interest can be obtained at the ethny level by balancing interests and investments at both the racial and ethnic levels.  Of course, there is not (as of now) any calculable metric to give us any definitive answers here, even if we accept that answers may change in a context-dependent manner.  As noted above, the arguments will necessarily have to be, at least for now, qualitative rather than quantitative.

Now, Yockey’s vision (and the somewhat similar ideas of Mosely) are not the most extreme manifestation of pan-Europeanism   Probably von Hoffmeister’s ideal would be classified as such; read this:

The mixing of different European nationalities should therefore be encouraged. We must support sexual unions between Russian women and German men, Spanish men and Swedish women. Only by radically breaking down the artificial barriers dividing Europe can we create the new breed of man…

(Constantin von Hoffmeister, “Our Motherland: Imperium Europa,” in Norman Lowell, Imperium Europa: The Book that Changed the World (Imperium Publishing, 2008), 24)

One can envision then a continuum in which at one end we have von Hoffmeister’s panmictic vision of pan-Europeanism; on the other end we have the Counter-Currents scheme of extreme ethnonationalism, in which balkanized European nations and regions guard their sovereignty from their neighbors, and are ready to go to war – including ethnic cleansing! – against fellow Europeans who in any way offend them.  So, the endpoints of the continuum are here:


…and I’ll fill in some other viewpoints in a qualitative, impressionistic fashion.


CC = Counter-Currents

CvH = Constatin von Hoffmeister

FPY = Francis Parker Yockey

TS = Ted Sallis

NL = Normal Lowell

C = Center

OGI = On Genetic Interests discussion of “civilizational blocs” as one political approach to EGI (this is not meant to be a comprehensive and/or current summary of Salter’s views, which may well be slightly more in the ethnonationalist direction, although I cannot speak for him)

BSS = “Black” SS – as per Coogan, the more Nordicist and Germanocentric portion of the SS 

WSS = “Waffen” SS – as per Coogan, the more pan-European faction of the SS (not necessarily the same as the Waffen SS proper)

AH = Adolf Hitler

MC = Montreaux Conference of 1934



Note that is not the final word, it is my interpretation, and things may certainly change with more data.  But that is a reasonable starting point for discussion.

Thus, Mosely may be around where Yockey is, or perhaps a bit toward the left, Spencer the same. 

Note two things.  First, this is a Far-Right continuum along the ethnonationalist/pan-European axis.  The Far-Left EU is discussed below.  Second, as this is a two-dimensional spectrum, the fact that two points are near each other does not mean they agree on other issues.  For example, I (TS) favor the pan-European approach, but one that allows for national/local sovereignty to some extent, and the definitive preservation of ethnicities and their cultures.  Lowell, with his Imperium vs. Dominion dichotomy (large-scale Imperium vs. local rule Dominion) is similar, although we may disagree on other issues.  I favor an authoritarian national socialist regime; Lowell favors libertarian capitalism.

Is it fair to describe Counter-Currents as more extreme than Adolf Hitler and the “Black” SS? The Nazis wanted to dispossess the Slavs and reduce them to the level of serfs; Counter-Currents publicly endorsed the idea of European nations ethnically cleansing each other in particular circumstances.  As genocide is more extreme than enslavement, the placement on the continuum is in my opinion justified.  

The “Waffen” SS and the Montreux conference is on the ethnonationalist side of the equation: although these SS men were more pan-European, they were still Germanocentric followers of Hitler, and they promoted the idea of a Europe of nations (led by Germany of course).  The Montreux conference promoted a Fascist International ideal of pan-European cooperation, but cooperation amongst ethnonationalist movements, each retaining their full sovereignty.  In OGI, Salter discussed the idea of civilizational blocs that are fairly permeable internally but closed to the outside, yet EGI is fully compatible with ethnonationalism and no clear cut definitive recommendations were made there.  Thus, that discussion in OGI is slightly to the pan-European side of center.  Those further to the right on the continuum have already been discussed.

Where would the EU fit in this scheme?  Actually nowhere, as this continuum is for pro-White, rightist planning, while the EU is orthogonal to all of this an anti-White, leftist creation of globalist elites. If we were to judge, however, strictly on the criterion of relative sovereignty, then the EU would be in between my ideal and that of Yockey.  The EU is less extreme than Yockey in that in retains European nations a political entities, but it is more extreme than my vision in that it dictates even local matters, it promotes migration between EU nations, and essentially today the entire enterprise can be summarized by the vision of the harridan scold Merkel, standing astride Europe holding a rolling pin, grinding down opposition to her radical race replacement agenda.  I would certainly suggest more national independence than that!

Extreme ethnonationalism would attempt to maximize EGI at the ethnic level, while foregoing racial European EGI as a whole in the global context.  Extreme pan-Europeanism would do the opposite: maximize racial EGI of Europe vs the Colored World, while sacrificing ethnic EGI, which would be significantly degraded through the proposed process of panmixia.  Of the two, I would argue that extreme ethnonationalism is actually more self-contradictory, since extreme ethnonationalism can actually damage the specific ethnic group practicing it.  Salter talks in OGI how Hitler’s extreme ethnonationalism damaged the German people as a result of his wars, and the reaction of other nations against him.  Also, since European ethnic groups are relatively similar genetically (some more than others)  with some kinship overlap between neighboring states, an extreme ethnonationalism would harm the people practicing it, from an EGI standpoint, because they would be in opposition to people fundamentally similar to themselves, while more alien peoples of other continents may well benefit from intra-European strife.  Extreme ethnonationalism, by attempting to maximize narrow gross genetic interests, can backfire on those practicing it and result in a net loss of genetic interest.  The Germans had Hitler; now they have Merkel.  Their extreme ethnonationalism boomeranged into suicidal Universalist altruism.  Perhaps if Hitler was a dedicated pan-Europeanist, and one without a “zero sum game” ethnonationalist attitude, the German people –and all Europeans – would be better off today.

That said, both extremes are sub-optimal for European EGI.  For example, I cannot see a logical argument as to why a European panmixia is necessary to actualize an Imperium capable of safeguarding the interests – ethnic genetic and otherwise – of all European peoples.  If it is not necessary, then the foregone ethnic-specific EGI is wasted for no reason.  Indeed, one can argue that the prospect of a panmixia that eliminates ethnic-specific particularisms would spark an ethnonationalist backlash as groups attempt to safeguard their uniqueness through a “narcissism of small differences” campaign against their fellow Europeans.  Occam’s razor for civilizational planning: do not multiply complexities beyond necessity.  In the absence of a convincing argument in favor of panmixia (if there is such an argument I would like to see it produced and fairly evaluate it), it is an unnecessary complication.  But those who would critique that threat to European ethnic diversity are hypocrites if they do not equally denounce the “ethnic cleansing” of Europeans promoted by the extreme ethnonationalists.  Such genocidal lunacy obviously is detrimental to the EGI of all Europeans.

One can envision charting on the x-axis the ethnonationalist-pan-European continuum (ethnonationalist on left, pan-European on right) and on the y-axis the net effects on both ethnic-level EGI and racial-level EGI as two distinct lines.  In general, the ethnic-level EGI line would start highest at the ethnonationalist side of the continuum, although I argue (see above) that extreme ethnonationalism is corrosive of even narrow ethnic interests; however, for the sake of argument, let’s consider a simple downward slope moving from left to right on the graph (from ethnonationalist to pan-European).  On the other hand, the racial line slopes upward as one moves rightward in the pan-European direction.  Of course, things are not that simple even here, given how ethnic and racial interests overlap; the racial is composed of the ethnic, and kinship overlap confuses ethnic interests with that of other ethnies in the racial.  But again, for the sake of argument, we can consider a simple mode.  We can then envision a graph like this.

Envision the ethnic line as blue and the racial line as red.  There will be a point of intersection – the “sweet spot” – in which there is an optimized balance of ethnic and racial genetic interests (and, likely, interests in general, including the important proximate interests, particularly High Culture). The question remains, where is this spot, and or course it is unlikely we will agree on an answer, although most people would likely agree that the spot is not at either of the extremes (although, theoretically, it could be). Again, this is a qualitative, impressionist argument (similar to Salter’s genetic interest plots in OGI), but one needs to consider it nevertheless, even knowing that without the (impossible) option of side-by-side testing of alternatives, we are making educated guesses, or, more optimistically, informed and logical estimates.

There is always going to be a trade-off between narrower and broader genetic interests.  Of course, it goes without saying: context is important.  The “sweet spot” is obviously going to change based on context and circumstances.  If the overall race is secure, but your particular ethnic group is threatened then, obviously, the cross-over point at which the genetic interest lines intersect will fall closer to the ethnonationalist direction.  On other hand, race-wide crises would necessitate shifting the intersection point in the pan-European direction.  In particular, if your ethnic group is relatively secure, but the race as a whole – that includes ethnic groups relatively similar to your own, for whom you share some (somewhat more diluted, but still substantial – particularly given the numbers involved) genetic interest – is threatened, then the intersection point needs to be far to the pan-European direction.  If both race and ethnic group are secure, more investment in self and family is prudent’ if humanity as a whole is threatened, one must look toward that (while still giving preference to your own people, so defined).  In the current situation, both ethnic group and race are threatened for all Europeans, so a balanced approach is best.  What’s optimal then?

I would propose that my vision of a balanced pan-Europeanism, formulated with EGI in mind, in which local sovereignty is retained and intra-European differences are preserved, while enfolding all the peoples of Europe in an Imperium to safeguard their existence, actualize a High Culture, and reach the stars, is the sweet spot” between the extremes.  Lowell’s Imperium Europa has many of the same advantages.  Although we cannot know this for sure, without an actual side-by-side testing of schemes that is impossible, it is logically reasonable to conclude that a balanced approach would preserve European EGI than both panmixia as well as lunatic ethnonationalist schemes in which atomized Europeans ethnically cleanse each other in bloody warfare.  Although the OGI point, not far away from mine, may also serve.

Again, a balance is needed, which I believe my scheme exemplifies.  Ethnic and local particularisms (biological and cultural) are preserved, intra-European borders are preserved, intra-European demographic flows are restricted, but, at the same time, one has an Imperium, which cuts off all flow from the outside, and sufficiently integrates Europe – for defense, foreign policy, racial matters, top-level cultural and science/technics issues, etc. – so as to safeguard the entire and prevent EGI-corroding intra-European feuding.  There’s no ethic cleansing in my scheme, nor any panmixia.  It is certainly a reasonable and viable candidate for the “sweet spot.”  The bulk of both ethnic and racial genetic interests are conserved, some compromises are made, and political mechanisms would need to be put in place to ensure the long-term maintenance of the balance between ethnic and racial level interests.

This is the beginning of the analysis, and I see it a good start.

And what about Yockey’s Imperium idea?  Assuming he was serious about the commitment to local autonomy and preservation, then his authoritarian Western state could do a reasonably good job at balancing ethnic and racial European EGI, although other ideas may be more optimal (or not).  We do need to remember Salter’s warning that a permanent solution to preserving and defending EGI is likely impossible.

We do the best that we can.

SLC News: 1/23/18

Two bits.

Here is one post from that summarizes The Man on White Horse Syndrome as it is manifested as Trump Fanboyism.

All Trump has to do is release one thirty second video ad against illegal immigration (nothing about legal immigration, mind you), and he is suddenly “officially our guy, he was always our guy.”  Talk about low standards.  How about waiting for Trump to actually do something before sweatily declaring your undying allegiance to the fat-draped obese porn star-screwing with no protection then home to wifey vulgar ignorant buffoon Trump?  Yeah, yeah, MAGA and all that.  

And by the way, why must we exchange DACA amnesty even for an end to chain migration and the other goodies?  How about we both deport the Nightmarers and do all these other Millerite agenda items?  That would be a real MAGA indeed.

Morgan of Counter-Currents, who is insofar as I know still living in Hungary without being ethnically Hungarian writes:

Bucur is right to praise Germany for its willingness to spend billions to bring their kin home, to a safer place. This is the sort of ethnic consciousness that we, as European identitarians, should extend not only to our own ethnic kin but to all those of European descent in this time of crisis. Germany stood up for its own. The failing of the contrasting approach is exemplified by the actions of the Romanian Communists: out of bigotry and the desire for short-term material gains, they were willing to turn their backs on their German countrymen rather than attempt to address their problems…

But, hey, I thought you guys were all ethnonationalists?  Doesn’t that mean Germans live in Germany and Romanians in Romania?  Why should there be Germans in Romania, considered as the Romanians’ “countrymen” unless your “ethnonationalism” really is the ethnoimperialism I suspect it is?  I guess those cringing subhuman hora-dancing Gypsy Romanians should consider themselves lucky to be colonized by Germans, right?

Meet Chad Crowley: Anti-White Activist

Another Type I fetishist.

I am postponing the post originally scheduled for today, to make some brief comments about Chad Crowley, the latest Type I Alt Righter who regurgitates warmed over Kempism, deluded that some novel insights are being made.

Crowley’s all-too-familiar, and, from a general “movement” standpoint, boringly repetitive and grossly unimaginative, ramblings on Rome are both non-historical as well as anti-scientific (*).

I know I’ve seen the name “Chad Crowley” before, and a cursory search brings up sweaty mumblings about “Indo-Europeans” that laughably accepts Gunther as some sort of serious scholar, instead of the embarrassing crank that he was, at, and we can also observe more juvenile Alt Right nonsense at Counter-Currents.  Let’s examine a piece about “Viking Superman” (of course).  Emphasis added:

Viking — the word itself still conjures up the stereotypical image of bloodthirsty blonde barbarians, whose rage can only be sated by acts of pillage and rapine. Fortunately, this dated historical perspective has been somewhat revised, and establishment historians now tacitly acknowledge that Norse civilization was much more complex than previously thought, and a lot less one-dimensional. 

If only Der Movement could consider the history of Rome and the rest of the Classical World, as well as that of “modern” Southern Europe, in a manner that is “much more complex” and “a lot less one-dimensional.” Alas, that would entail some original thinking and a break with fossilized dogma (blasphemy) so such revised “historical perspective” will not be forthcoming from the babbling zombies of “movement” discourse.

If you are familiar with any of my writings, you’ll know that I firmly advocate the study and superimposition of past historical experiences onto present circumstances. Julius Evola

Who was of course a non-Indo-European, non-White, subhuman mongrel (which doesn’t prevent the Type I crowd from being fascinated with Evola and his insipid ramblings)

…presents my view of the usefulness of history succinctly when he posits that exploration of the past isn’t done for the ghoulish resurrection of long-dead peoples or cultures, but rather for the perennial spirit that animates and gives life to both. 

Or to engage in the usual “movement” ethnic fetishism.

The Vikings were many things — warriors, poets, explorers, statesmen — and in the dark days to come, I can think of no better “spirit” to invoke and study than that of our intrepid and oft-misunderstood Norse brethren. Like White Nationalism, Norse culture and the ‘Viking Age’ are still a sadly misunderstood phenomena, and this makes their examination all the more relevant.

The Roman period, particularly the Later Western Roman Empire, is still “a sadly misunderstood” period (misunderstood by Nutzi nitwits); I plan to read up on that period and eventually share my insights here (which you should not read if disagreement with “movement” dogma gives you fainting fits).

Furthermore, for centuries the Vikings were feared and hated by their non-Norse contemporaries, and later despised by generations of the anti-White academic establishment. All of this has only changed within the past several decades. What does this tell us? It illustrates that like our Viking kin, we White Nationalists will too someday be vindicated retrospectively, because nature favors the victorious, and our cause is glorious.

Please don’t say “we White nationalists.” I neither consider you a White nationalist nor part of “we.”

The White/European predisposition for heterodox thinking

Oh, the irony!  Someone who parrots decades of rigidly fossilized “movement” dogma with nary an original thought anywhere to be found talks about the “White/European predisposition for heterodox thinking.”

… is rooted in our people’s unique ethno- and evolutionary history. The great prophet of decline Oswald Spengler

Who would vehemently disagree with the bulk of your writing, including the confusion of Apollonian with Faustian.

 speculated that the Nordic (Aryan/Indo-European/European) soul was forged in the “harder struggling” environs of the “Nordic steppe,” and though I am not an environmental determinist, I would hold that this is partially true.[4] In the early Indo-European world, and even later in the Norse world of the Viking Age, the love of competition, permeated by the struggle of low-intensity conflict and in conjunction with the extreme climes of Northern Europe, gave birth to an inegalitarian and hierarchical society of aristocratic-warriors and heroic individuals. 

At the same time, the HBD-Nordicists tell us that Germanic Northwest Europeans are egalitarian altruistic universalists, uniquely helpless against immigration, being descended from “high trust hunter gatherers” who evolved in “the extreme climes of Northern Europe.”  The fact that these internally inconsistent views cause no cognitive dissonance is clear evidence that we are not dealing with rational analysis, but with a form of secularized religious faith.

These individuals favored deed and action over the pettiness of mere physical existence and material comfort. The cumulative tempering effect of all of these forces gave shape to the White/European man, whose desire to transcend the biological and the material…

That coming from someone who is a biological-minded materialist, albeit one peddling pseudoscience.

…whose penchant for a grounded abstract, became a proclivity for transcendence through self-overcoming. The White race’s ability to think clearly and creatively, harnessing our inner ‘Faustian’ nature has always been our people’s greatest strength, and we would be wise to continue to harness that which has always made us strong.
As White Nationalists…

Crowley is an anti-White activist, not a White nationalist (see below).

..we’ve dedicated ourselves to representing the highest, most transcendent attributes of our race, and the utilization of our ‘Faustian’ spirit in the service of a cause greater than our individual egos should be one of our greatest ideals. Ernst Jünger proclaimed that the underlying principle of the modern world is the centrality of pain. By experiencing and embracing hardship we have much in common with our Viking and Indo-European ancestors, and as such possess the potential for yet-undreamed-of greatness. 

Such greatness not manifested by the likes of Crowley.

Adolf Hitler once said that the Aryan “is the Prometheus of mankind” and I can conjure up no better epithet to describe the collective awesomeness intrinsic to our blood.

“Collective awesomeness.”  Cue cries of Pepe!  And Hail Kek!

Crowley is just another run-of-the mill, dime-a-dozen ethnic fetishist; same old, same old. By peddling distortions and untruths to divide Whites against themselves, Crowley does the dirty work of the System, and therefore can be considered a dedicated anti-White activist, not a White nationalist.

Sadly, The Occidental Observer has degenerated into a highbrow version of Chateau Heartiste, being a mix of Trump fanboyism, HBD pseudoscience, Nordicism, and juvenile AltRightism. More evidence that Der Movement, Inc. corrupts everything it comes in contact with, including otherwise intelligent and well individuals (TOO blog founders, not necessarily all of the contributors).

*Further, looking at Novembre’s “genes mirror geography” study, we can see that Italian samples, derived from various parts of that nation, fall exactly where one would expect given the geographic cline of gene frequencies.  There is no significant shift, as one would expect if the population base of the nation had been significantly replaced by others from origins outside the European genetic cline.