Category: fisking

Fisking Zman

Zman: A horribly dishonest and moronic turd.

With the leaked audio of Richard Spencer’s embarrassing tantrum after the Charlottesville riot, the book can finally be closed on the alt-right. 

Hey Zman and all the other losers – when you were all on the “Alt Right train,” I was OPENLY and CONSISTENTLY attacking the Alt Right on this blog, predicting (and hoping for) its downfall, and lamenting the pernicious effect the Alt Right plague was having on (American) racial nationalism. I was writing that as far back as 2015-2016. Who cares what you 20-20 hindsight zero-judgment retardates have to say now? You’re all at least three years too late.

If there was anyone still using the term as anything but an epithet, they will no doubt drop it. The first political movement to grow out of internet culture has come and an ignominious end. 

Yes, WN 2.0 failed.  Millennial “youth culture” as the center of racial activism failed.  The kids are not all right (no pun intended), and they never were.  Beavis-and-Butthead White nationalism was a non-starter from the very beginning.

While it may no longer be a thing, examining what they did right and what they did wrong, especially what they did wrong, can be useful for dissidents.

And Zman proceeds to make a mockery of the analysis.

The primary reason the alt-right failed was that it was never a coherent movement with an intellectual center. It was just a ragtag collection of people with a gripe about something going on in the culture. There were those who recently discovered Kevin McDonald, so they worked that angle. Others had discovered race realism and figured out why libertarianism was a dead end. Then there were the boys who did not like what was happening with feminism. The alt-right was a grievance society.

No, the Alt Right was simply the worst parts of WN 1.0 painted over with the most juvenile and embarrassing aspects of Millennial juvenile jackassery. WN 2.0 = WN 1.0 – intellectualism + jackassery.

Now, some would argue that the concept of the ethno-state was the vision of the alt-right, but that was another reason it failed. Richard Spencer would have been more successful claiming he was going to lead the alt-right back to the Shire, so they could reunite with their hobbit brothers. 

Shire?  Hobbits?  Sounds more like Greg Johnson.

Setting your goal as the creation of a (sic) what is basically white Wakanda is not serious. As a theoretical construct to use as a critique of multiculturalism it could have been useful, but as a goal it was absurd.

What nonsense. Just saying so doesn’t make it true. What does Zman offer as an alternative?  America is dead as a nation – the totality of his own writing and his whining about the current state of affairs should be all the evidence he needs.  Or read just one day’s worth of news stories at Amren – that should cure you of any delusion that America still exists as any sort of viable or salvageable nation. Should we just give up?  Gibber about Yogi Bear and The Men Who Can’t Tell Time?  Follow “cognitive elitism” and form a racially mongrelized Jeurasian caste ruling over Blacks and Browns, as Brazil North?  What?  There is nothing inherently wrong with the concept of the ethnostate. It is just promoted by inarticulate morons and grifters, and the White population hasn’t suffered enough yet to break away from their comforts and their delusions about an America long since dead. America is a corpse, but it hasn’t been dead long enough for the stench of its rot to become bad enough to motivate feckless Whites.

The thing is, racial nationalism is not a new thing. Arab nationalism was a legitimate movement in the middle of the last century. There was a pan-African nationalism that rose up in the later years of colonialism. Both failed in their stated goals, because race is a terrible way to organize people. 

Absolute horseshit. The HBD dividers and the ethnonationalist shills always like saying this, but there is no real problem with inherent White solidarity in America, particularly when the dividing line of White vs. Color is salient.  And with what is happening in Europe, White solidarity is becoming ever more possible there. Why did they all agree to join the EU in the first place?

Instead of pointing the finger of blame where it belongs – at a failed movement and its affirmative action ”leadership” – all sorts of absurdities must be invented. What kind of idiot conflates White nationalism with the nationalism of Arabs and Africans?  If White nationalism was floated, say, 100 years ago, then the analogies with pan-Arab nationalism may have had some validity.  But there are no longer any national rivalries in the White world at the level that divide to the extent as what happened with the Arabs. Yes, for example, Iraq invaded Kuwait…I doubt we’ll see Germany invade France again any time soon.  History is not static. As conflicts move from the level of nation vs. nation to that of civilization vs. civilization, then race (and culture) do become quite reasonable ways to organize people. As regards pan-African nationalism, how can anyone who lives in “Lagos” take that seriously?  Has Zman eaten too many tainted Baltimore crab cakes?

Loyalty starts with family, then extended family and finally the extended family of ethnicity. Race is a general grouping of people that corresponds to the big geographical groupings. Race is not ethnicity.

Moron. Most White Americans are of mixed ethnic origins.  Should the right side of their body start warring against their left side?  Race is a “general grouping of people?”  Next, he’ll be saying it is a “social construct.”  Race is the next step up from ethnicity. Why stop the extended family at ethnicity? Because it suits your agenda of divisive HBD ethnonationalism?

This is why American dissidents need to be careful to acknowledge the geographic diversity of occidentals in North America. The old stock Yankee living in New Hampshire may share the same opinions on biology as a Southerner, but they will remain men from different tribes. 

Is “Southerner” an ethnicity?  

This diversity among white people in America is why the people in charge have been so successful. They exploit these differences to turn a majority population into a hated minority. 

Idiot. Does a rightist “Yankee” have more in common with a blue-haired SJW fatty “Yankee” than with a rightist “Southerner?”  What an insipid level of “analysis” from this idiot. Different tribes?  On what basis?  How about ethnicity?  There are divisions within nations and within ethnic groups as well.  There are divisions within “Yankees” and within “Southerners.”  So? When the similarities outweigh the differences, particularly when opposed to an alien outgroup, the smaller tribes coalesce into a larger one, until the final boundaries are reached – the West Against the Rest.

That reality must be respected.

Zman’s lies must be exposed.  What the reality really is – these guys need to make excuses for the utter failure of Der Movement and its “high trust societal consensus hunter gatherer” Quota Queen affirmative action “leadership.”  There is nothing inherently wrong with the concept of an ethnostate. Race is a perfectly reasonable way of organizing people.  Works well enough at Amren meetings, eh, as long as all are racially aware.  A real tribe is that of racially aware Whites. I haven’t heard any “Yankees” and “Southerners” recreating the Battle of Gettysburg at Amren.

That brings up another failure of the alt-right. It never had intellectual heft. 

Note to retard – the entire “movement” never had intellectual heft.  It has always been a zero.  What made the Alt Right worse was that it was less than zero – a negative.

Richard Spencer liked to cast himself as a philosopher, but he was always a dilettante, more concerned with media attention, than thinking about politics. He was a lot like Barak (sic) Obama, in that his fans would say he was inspirational, but they could never tell you anything he said that was memorable, other than the gaffes. His innumeracy prevented him from making an affirmative argument about biology.

Note to retard – as a STEM person I can tell you that NONE of these guys – even the academic “rock stars”- can make an “affirmative argument about biology.”

Otherwise, no one filled the intellectual void at the center of the alt-right. Some of the writers for Counter Currents gave it a go, but they were always a bit wary of what was going on with the alt-right. 

Gaslighting lies.  Johnson was 100% on the Alt Right train, pontificating that the “Alt Right is White nationalism or it is nothing at all.”  Yes…all those Counter-Currents intellectuals, like Jeelvy, right?

Of course, one reason the movement failed to attract smart people toiling in the intellectual fields of bio-diversity is the movement had a lot of cranks. In fact, the alt-right seemed to be a crank magnet. It was a freak show of e-celebs, who were never all that interested in politics. Guys like Milo and Cerno are good examples. 

Only them, right?  Not Johnson or Lynn or Dutton or Derbyshire or MacDonald or Spencer or Duke or Taylor, et al?

That is the one great lesson from the alt-right. No organization can survive incompetence at the top. Whether you are forming a local group to clean up a park or you are organizing for a larger political goal, you have to have high quality people at the center of it. The alt-right made a fetish of not purging people, but that became a doggy door for the worst sorts of people to enter their movement. No matter how cheeky or clever your internet memes, you can’t win counting on losers.

Losers like Zman, Greg Johnson, and Richard Spencer et al.

Self-policing, of course, gets a lot easier in real life organizing. On-line, people are free to play any character they like. In real life, people quickly sort the wheat from the chaff, so excluding grifters and lunatics gets easier. Good people tend to boil off the bad people, through the natural social mechanisms. That is the most important lesson of the alt-right. The internet is not real. It cannot replace real life organizing. If there is going to be a resistance to what is happening, it must happen in the real world.

The real world – like Hermannson and Pilleater?  In real life, the “movement” failed miserably, because the “grifters and lunatics” are the “leaders” at the top. They are not going to “boil off” themselves, and the rank-and-file are 100% on board with the ethnic affirmative action program. What we have is a human form of Gresham’s Law – the bad people drive out the good.  Listen to the Pilleater chronicles, and tell us again how all that real life organizing worked out so well.

Also, based on Zman’s stupidity – the real life organizing should be stratified by tribes.  Greg Johnson should never go to Denmark, Norway, or Portugal.  He should only travel to the UK – his ethnic ancestry, right?  Amren should be segregated based on ethnicity and Yankee vs. Southerner.  Indeed, the only people who should read Zman’s blog are those of the same ethnicity as him.  All else are different tribes with different interests, right?  Moron and hypocrite.

Oslo Fiasco and MGTOW

Two topics.

First, a brief fisking.

The Scandza Forum is a nationalist metapolitical organization that has put on conferences in Sweden…

The Land of the Gods.  Well, if we are talking about HBD, I thought the Land of the Gods was China?  Make up your minds, guys.

…Norway, and Denmark. 

Sweden, Norway, and Denmark…along with England and Germany, the entirety of Europe for Der Movement.

Until recently, I had spoken at every Scandza Forum event. But on Saturday, October 12, 2019, I was prevented from speaking at The Scandza Forum’s second conference in Copenhagen by a raging mob of Communists (complete with the Soviet flag).

So, the reasonable thing of course was just to immediately go to the next conference three weeks later.

Then, on Saturday, November 2, I was prevented from speaking at the second Scandza conference…

I’m shocked, shocked, I say.

Scandza’s inaugural event in Oslo, on July 1, 2017, was the first of its type in Norway, and our Norwegian friends were anxious for us to come back. The theme of the new conference was “Human Biodiversity,” i.e., the variations in genetic potential between the sexes and races. 

That’s not in practice true.  HBD, in reality, is a political movement meant to replace kinship-based racial activism with a inter-racial alliance based on IQ and other traits, with Jews and Northeast Asians at the top of the hierarchy.

Human biodiversity undermines the bedrock assumption of modern egalitarianism, namely that differences in social outcomes between the races and sexes can be explained by mutable human ideas and institutions, so that by changing ideas and institutions, we can arrive at an egalitarian society. 

Oh yes.  In other words, it is right and proper that Jews and Chinamen dominate “Western” societies.

If, however, different social outcomes are based on biological differences, then they will persist even after all forms of unequal treatment are removed. Past that point, egalitarian social engineering projects are based on delusions and can only increase the miseries of the world.

The idea of White self-determination is a delusion.  It is only right and proper that Whites be subjugated to Jews and Chinese.  This is all putting aside that HBD is a pseudoscience that does not do hypothesis testing, but lies and manipulates facts to support political agendas.

The speakers included Dr. Kevin MacDonald, Professor Emeritus of Psychology at California State University, Long Beach, talking about his new book Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition…

Discussed here previously, exposed as warmed-over Kempism and illogical scholarship.

Dr. Helmuth Nyborg, Professor Emeritus of Psychology at the University of Aarhus and a prolific author of scientific books and articles; and Dr. Edward Dutton, editor of Mankind Quarterly and author of many books and articles.

Dutton…you know, Greg, the guy who labelled your buddy Rushton as a fraud and a thug.

My talk was entitled “The Very Idea of White Privilege.” I argue that the science of human biodiversity undermines the idea of white privilege as used by the Left…

Does it?  According to HBD, Whites should be completely enslaved by Jews and Chinamen.  But we are not completely there yet (maybe except for Derbyshire) …unfair White Privilege!

…but I also argue that there is a sense of white privilege that is grounded in human biodiversity—namely, that whites naturally create societies that are more comfortable for whites than other races—but that this is inevitable, and there is nothing morally objectionable about it. (I will publish this speech on Counter-Currents.)

Wonderful.

This is a complete inversion of the truth…

Sort of like HBD, huh?

Naturally, I was a bit worried about this, for when Marxists lie, people die—many millions of people, actually.

And when HBDers lie, pro-White racial activism dies.

But these were not guys to be trifled with. 

I’m sure they are just as tough going into non-White “no go zones,” eh?

Third, I was being detained and deported not for something I said or did, but for something that somebody else might do after hearing my speech. And remember that my speech was on white privilege, a topic that I feared was more likely to produce boredom than violence.

Likely correct.

Fourth, one of Breivik’s arguments for resorting to terrorism was the Norwegian establishment’s suppression of freedom of speech about immigration and multiculturalism. My talk could not in any way be construed as a call for political violence. But suppressing my freedom of speech is precisely the kind of policy that encourages desperate people to commit acts of terrorism. As John F. Kennedy said, “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” Breivik repeated this idea, almost word for word, during his trial. Will these people ever learn?

I have been making those very same points for months here.

Fifth, I knew that arresting and deporting me would bring enormous publicity, significantly increasing my audience.
I found myself rubbing my hands together in glee.

More “D’Nations!”

I told the police that since the conference was over and it was no longer possible to give my talk, I wanted to leave Norway immediately. They seemed a bit surprised by this, probably because they are used to dealing with foreign freeloaders who will do anything to delay deportation.
I told them that I did not want to return to the United States. Instead, I wanted to go to Portugal…

Hey, going to Africa is always interesting, right?

After a couple of hours, I was summoned to speak to my attorney—or, as it turned out, the assistant to my attorney. I was introduced to a young woman who looked Persian or Kurdish. 

Obviously an Afrowop.

Second:

Attention “movement” white knighters.

See this.

Der Movement prefers the top picture.

The end result of allowing women into the “movement.”  And, no, contrary to what some of you may believe, that is not – not! – a film of Derbyshire engaging in “measured groveling” to “Rosie.”

MGTOW saves lives.

Justice for the Embittered

Fisking Johnson.

Laugh at this, emphasis added:

First, what does it even mean to ban women from a largely anonymous online movement, which lacks any barriers to entry or standards of membership?

Sound like the “extreme vetting” at a Counter-Currents meeting. Isn’t that part of the problem Greg?  That there are no “barriers to entry or standards of membership?” Shouldn’t those things exist, and be based on merit and behavior and not on an affirmative action program or the mirror test (if someone can fog a mirror held up to their nose, they’re in)?

We can’t ban women from the internet.

Too bad, huh?

We can’t ban women from reading our websites, listening to our podcasts, watching our YouTube videos, etc. We can’t ban women from writing for our websites…

Actually you could ban known women from writing, which you choose not to do.

…commenting on our websites, or donating to them if they simply use pen names. (For all I know, the person who sent in the question is a woman.)

Well, we certainly don’t want to decrease potential “D,Nations” now, do we?

Of course some parts of the movement can exclude women. I don’t think we should accept the essentially feminist assumption that all organizations and realms of society should admit women, much less aim for male/female parity. I also think that it is quite natural for radical politics to attract more men than women. And just as combat units and police forces function better without women, so might some White Nationalist political organizations.

Uh, yes.

But even if it were possible to entirely exclude women from White Nationalist politics, doing so would be dumb and self-defeating.

Because Greg, with much personal experience in dealing with women, says so. The defenders of women need to answer certain questions.  Why do men who are serial killers, mass murderers, men who kill their families, when in prison, get inundated with love letters – often containing photos of the nude or scantily-clad nubile women who wrote the letters – and pleading offers of marriage?  Why do men with a criminal record have more female sexual partners than law-abiding men?  A sex hard-wired for crazed sociopathy is not the best material for a “movement” desperate for an increase in personal quality.  Think about it.

If women want to contribute their money, ideas, time, and social capital to the movement, that makes us stronger, not weaker. Beyond that, we are never going to actually win unless we can convince a substantial percentage of the female population that we represent their real interests. And we will never do that if we allow the tone of the movement to be set by embittered misogynists, to say nothing of people who proclaim “White Sharia” and “Islam is Right About Women.”

Yeah, Greg, those memes – that I agree are stupid – are promoted by people who you enthusiastically declared as “the new voices of WN 3.0.”  What does that say about your judgment – or absolute lack thereof?

Leftists love to dismiss realism about racial differences as racial hatred. But that’s not necessarily true. Feminists love to dismiss realism about sexual differences as misogyny, the hatred of women. But that’s not necessarily true either.

Yes, see above.  Women: A sociopathic sex that rewards the worst among men with the most sexual access.

However, just as there really are people in our movement who hate other races, there are people in our movement who genuinely hate women.

Just as the goal of our movement should be to drain the swamp of diversity in which race-hate breeds, we should also try to address the underlying causes of hatred between the sexes.

And just as we will not achieve our goal in the racial sphere if we allow simple race hatred to define our movement, we will not achieve our goals in the sexual sphere by allowing misogynists to set the tone either.

Are the “goals in the sexual sphere” set by O’Meara and Brendon/Brandon?

White Nationalists are mature enough to recognize that hatred between the races and sexes is the inevitable product of the current system. We also need to be mature enough to recognize that indulging embittered haters will destroy any chance to rectify our problems.

Crazy and bitter!  Johnson’s own obsessive hatred of Richard Spencer, is of course, not based on any bitter personal animus but just plain good sense!  Criticize Johnson though and you are just plain nuts!

Second, talking about excluding all women because of doxers like Katie McHugh makes no sense. Should the movement also exclude all men, because some men are doxers as well? That would put an end to 100% of doxings, but it would also put an end to the movement itself.

And we can’t have that.

Surely we can be a bit more surgical about excluding certain types of people to minimize such problems in the future.

Yes, Greg: Hermansson, Lewis, Brandon/Brendan, Pilleater, most of the people you currently have writing for your blog…

Third, the very same people who want to blame women for problems in the movement also often deny that women exercise any moral agency. But if women have no agency, then they bear no responsibility either. But clearly somebody is to blame for these operational security and public relations disasters, and by their own logic, misogynists would have to blame men.

Yes, exactly, we blame men like Johnson who allowed all sorts of tragicomic lapses in operational security.  We blame Steadman as well.

And in truth, men bear a lot of the blame.

Indeed.

By all accounts, McHugh, Samantha, and another unnamed woman who doxed Coach Finstock were not ordinary women. They were Alt-Right scene groupies. Like rock groupies, they were attracted to an overwhelmingly misogynistic subculture. Women who are drawn to such environments are surely high in masochism and low in self-worth. They then worked their way through the scene, passing over nice guys until they ended up with manipulative sociopaths.

Please Greg tell us – which “movement leader” is not a manipulative sociopath?

But when they realized that masochistic self-indulgence was not making them happy, they bailed out.

Then, once they had become sufficiently embittered to feel justified in harming innocent people, they went to the enemy and started doxing people, including people who had only been kind to them. This is the sort of pure evil that makes people dream of the eternal fires of hell to restore justice to the world.

Oh, yes, and some of us dream of such fires to restore justice to racial activism.  Feeling warm yet Greg?

What makes such evil possible? I think a good part of it can be explained by bitterness. Bitterness takes root when someone is wronged and does not receive justice.

Hmm…then Sallis was wronged and did not receive justice.  Good of you to admit it Greg.

Bitterness turns into a kind of neurosis. Embittered people vent their wrath not on the people who wronged them, but on people who didn’t wrong them but merely remind them of the people who did.

Absolute self-serving bullshit.

And if such people have any pangs of conscience, bitterness easily silences them: “Why should I care about these people’s suffering? Where were they when I was suffering? Who cared about me?”

Nonsense.

So how do we lessen the likelihood of such disasters in the future?

First, we really need to dispel the atmosphere of misogyny in the movement, which attracts damaged people of both sexes. Race realism–yes. Race hate–no. Sex realism–yes. Hatred between the sexes–no. Our movement will never win unless we treat such hatreds as social problems to be solved. And we cannot credibly promise to solve them in society as a whole if we allow them to run rampant in our own ranks.

But, hey, Anglin is one of the new voices of WN 3.0, and don’t you forget it!  Johnson is a buffoon.

Also: Hatred against White ethnics is A-OK.

Second, we need to exclude groupies. But we also need to exclude the kinds of sociopathic males they gravitate toward.

You mean like Jeelvy, you hypocrite?

…I am a bad worker. I am often late for work, and when I do arrive, I arrive with the insomniac’s world-contemptuous scowl overlaid against a stubbled jowl. I resolve office politics with threats of violence, and I’ve been known to disappear for hours on end, only to return in a state of mild inebriation. I write monograph-length critiques of TV shows from ten years ago during office hours… my successes are due more to innate charisma and an ability to charm people into forgiving my worst offenses rather than effort or passion. You have to be either crazy or my mother to hire me – in fact, the latter is my employer.

If we stand for the restoration of Western civilization, then we stand for monogamy not polygamy. We stand for fidelity, not adultery. We stand for healthy relationships, not pathological ones. Which means that playboys, sluts, adulterers, and abusers are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

Ho ho!  Is that why your response to Pilleater’s complaints was to chuckle about how if Brandon/Brendan thinks some hapless male meeting attendee is “cute,” he’s just going to “flirt” with them?

If someone you know is playing the field, using and discarding movement groupies, he is playing with fire. He is putting his own short-term gratification ahead of the health of our cause. That’s a problem, and you need to say something.

Say something…like Pilleater did.

Third, we need to drain the swamp where bitterness and wrath breed. We have to do something when people in our movement wrong one another. We need to have some sympathy for victims of injustice, even for victims who are not entirely innocent. And the best form of sympathy is to give them justice, which means there have to be punishments for wrongdoers.

So, Greg, when will you resign from the “movement?”

People who dox others are evil and deserve no sympathy today. But if they had received sympathy and justice when they were wronged, things may have worked out differently, and we would all be better off.

The Alt Right in America crashed and burned because it was run by a mafia of drunkards, druggies, sociopaths, and buffoons, as well as swarms of remora-like fanboys, sycophants, and enablers.

Greg, don’t be so hard on yourself.

I fear that we are going to be hearing a lot more such stories from Samantha and people like her for years to come. But the movement for white survival will not falter as long as we treat such disasters as opportunities to learn rather than excuses to quit.

This comically self-unaware post indicates that Greg hasn’t learned yet.

Speaking of women, let us listen to that philosopher Lee Priest.

The HBD-Nordicist-Ethnonationalist alliance, manipulated behind the scenes by Jews, continues onward, as I predicted.

More of an ethnoimperialist invading the nation of another people, demanding sexual access to their women.

Jews promote alien immigration into Italy, just as do dreadlocked German whores, Norwegians, and Richard Gere.  The only thing Lind got wrong with his analysis of “American Tribes” is that he limited it to the USA.  The Nord-Jew-Colored Alliance is international.

While the disgusting “human being” Trump celebrates putting Black criminals back on the streets, Proud Boys members are being sent to prison for self-defense, and the Trump DOJ persecutes the Rise Above Movement.  But he’s a sincere man of greatness, and don’t you forget it!

Victory is inevitable, right Greg?

A Pretentious Jackass

Let’s look at the “instant classic!”

Laugh at this. Excerpts, emphasis added:

Few things are as amusing to European nationalists as reading American wignat takes on European politics and government. 

Equally true:

Few things are as amusing to American White nationalists as reading European wignat takes on American ethnic relations, politics, and government.  

Amusingly, this author is a prime example of that. In general, the Europeans perceive America – White America that is – as being sort of like a transplanted Europe, in all of its patchwork divisions. They believe that 99% of White Americans are mono-ethnic, of unmixed ethnic ancestry exactly similar to Europe, each with their distinct national characters still intact, each completely segregated from the others, each with their isolated cultures, all squabbling among themselves as if it was 1919 or 1889 or 1849.  Granted, if the only thing you read are American Der Movementers, I can see where you may get that impression, but nevertheless it is absurd. I believe that European misconceptions about America are worse than the reverse.

Wignats, or wigger nationalists, are characterized by their low IQ, binary thinking, lack of nuance, and advocacy of solutions that have already been proven insufficient or ineffective to the predicaments facing whites. These people are often uninformed, misinformed, and ill-informed; they are quite susceptible to deception and manipulation; and they’ll often fall for fedposts.

So, either 99% of “movement” “leaders” and “activists” are “wignats” or the “wignat” behavioral suite is completely mimicked by non-“wignats” in Der Movement.  After all, the preceding sentences describe almost every “movement” hero you can imagine.

In their binary, unnuanced worldview, there are good guys and bad guys. Wignats struggle to comprehend the model of many overlapping, complementary, and contrasting conspiracies that better defines our world. They tend to believe that the camps of good and bad guys are monolithic and acting in concert, guided from some sort of higher authority. The view of men and nations as a mixture of good and bad, of purity and sin, confuses these boys, bless their hearts.

Sound familiar?  Good guys: Trump, Northwest Europeans, Hitler, high-IQ Orientals (for the HBDers); Bad guys: All other Europeans, the Jews (everything is the fault of the Jews – unless it’s the fault of the wops, or unless you are a HBDer and then the Jews are gods).

One of the silliest ideas to come out of this mindset is that Vladimir Putin is based and red-pilled…

He’s playing a deep chess game! (Right, Kevin?).

Additionally, Polish hostility towards the ideas and imagery of National Socialism is interpreted by these types as evidence that Poles aren’t as based and red-pilled as we’d initially thought. 

I don’t know – maybe Polish perfidy in getting (moderate) American racialists banned from the EU is sufficient reason to think that, you ignorant moron.

….anti-Nazism in Poland and other countries is a sign of patriotism and nationalism. 

Jared Taylor is not a Nazi, if you hadn’t noticed.

The wignat will repeat the slogan of “no more brother wars” but not understand that brother wars and betrayals did occur in the past and that the marks they left were deep.

The call of the ethnonationalist!  More intra-European conflict!  Cue Johnson and his “ethnic cleansing” among Europeans.

Many in the West hope that the Slavs and other Eastern Europeans will help them in their battle over demographic destiny. People like me will help.

We can do without your kind of help, thank you very much.

A significant number, however, are still bitter about the Second World War and our subsequent abandonment to Communism. 

Blame the Holy Ones for that. You know, the same folks who today demand you open your borders to the Third World.  And, no, I’m not talking about “the Jews” here.

Many others are disgusted with Western degeneracy and effeminacy and want nothing to do with the West. The wignat in this context is no better than the Boomer who shares the image of the crossed-out swastika and hammer and sickle, believing that the Poles carrying that banner support his brand of color-blind Boomer conservatism. Not only are the Poles not color-blind, but they’d. Not even fellow Slavs are welcome. In fact, speaking Russian in the streets of Warsaw is a good way to get your ass kicked.

Ban Jared Taylor from the EU, that’s a sign of Slavic machismo for you.

Polish support of the EU as a concept (though not in its current form) is understandable. It wants access to the EU labor market so that Poles may go to Western Europe, find work, and send Euros back to Poland, providing foreign currency to the government and helping relieve the pressure on Poland’s lackluster domestic labor markets. 

So, the Poles would “exclude the vast majority of white people from their in-group,” but then demand access to other White nations.  How is that better than Colored behavior?

NATO participation can be very easily explained by hostility towards and apprehension of Russia and Russian ambitions. Like I said, speaking Russian in Warsaw is a very good way to get yourself dragged into an alley and beaten to within an inch of your life. 

And speaking on behalf of White – including Polish – interests “is a very good way” of getting banned from the EU because of these wonderful Poles.

Waking up in a country bordering Russia is what I imagine my short and skinny neighbor feels like when he passes me. Sure, the large man next door whose hobbies include weightlifting, bare-knuckle combat, and target shooting is friendly and polite, but what if . . . what if . . .

What a pretentious juvenile jackass this Jeelvy is.

With all this in mind, it stands to reason that Poland would do anything in order to check Russian power and build up its own defensive capabilities if it is to defend its sovereignty. And sovereignty is important to the Poles. They’ve lived under foreign occupation for long enough to know. They, and all the other countries bordering Russia who would defy her will, value their sovereignty so much that they would break bread with the devil if necessary to remain masters of their own fates.

I suppose it as “the devil” who demanded that Taylor be banned from the EU?

What Poland wants is not very different from what Israel wants…

Banning White nationalism?

I believe we live in a period of history when American global hegemony and the American empire is facing imminent collapse. 

Because of all those disgruntled Scots-Irish warriors, right Jeelvy?

Poland has allied itself to the American empire, but it has not shackled itself to it. Unlike Israel, whose infiltration and lobbying operation has joined it at the hip to the American empire (the same can be said of Saudi Arabia), Poland will not necessarily share the fate of the American Empire because it can defend itself independently, even from a resurgent Russia. It can even form a regional alliance with the Baltic States, Finland, Ukraine, and its historical ally Hungary to counter Russian power. This is the “Intermarium” imagined by Poland’s inter-war geopolitical strategist Marshall Pilsudski. When the time comes, Poland has the option of decoupling itself from the West.

Why don’t they do this now? Because they prefer to “deal with the devil?”

Welcome to Eastern Europe, friends, a very low-trust society, where deceptions are many, overlapping, and make a mockery of the truth. International Jewry has had a ball with deceiving naïve, high-trust Westerners. Here in the East, we’re not only naturally suspicious of outsiders and especially Westerners, Jews, and Western Jews, we’re Jewier than the Jews in our business dealings. Expect to get overcharged for a service you’re never gonna get. And then get sued.

Gee, that sounds very appealing.  Gotta play into that “Outer Hajnal” stereotype now, don’t we?

Brother wars are tragic. Yet in a sense, they are inevitable. The non-whites of the world are only a credible threat to whites in this day and age due to the decadence of the West and our unwillingness to fight back against their predations. However, in the fullness of time, there will be a civilizational resurgence, and that resurgent civilization will beat back the non-white menace with relative ease and turn its attention to worthier foes—other white people, at which point the cycle of degeneration will start again. Perhaps it is our fate to do this forever.

Thus speaks The Eternal Ethnonationalist.  That’s what ethnonationalism is all about, my friends, straight form the horse’s mouth – they WANT brother wars; they WANT “the cycle of degeneration” to start again. They just can’t wait. Maybe throw in a bit of “ethnic cleansing,” as well, right Greg?

In any case, we have to abandon sophomoric moralism and ideas about people halfway across the world being /ourguys/. We are descendants of the Indo-European aristocrats who fought each other to the death for pure prestige. It is in our nature to be warriors, and warriors seek out worthy foes. In the wake of our decadent age, victory and prestige await in combat. There’s never a dull moment on the steppes.

Pretentious jackass.

Then we have:

Greg Johnson

Posted September 9, 2019 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

Wignats:

1. Spencer

2. Parrott

3. Heimbach

4. Stryker

Rewritten for enhanced accuracy:

Wignats:

1. Spencer

2. Parrott

3. Heimbach

4. Stryker

5. Johnson

Gere and Silver

Flip sides of the same problem.

Read this.

Gere’s ancestry, from Wikipedia:

His paternal great-grandfather had changed the spelling of the surname from “Geer”.[1] Both of his parents were Mayflower descendants; Gere’s ancestors include Pilgrims Francis Eaton, John Billington, George Soule, Richard Warren, Degory Priest, Francis Cooke, and William Brewster.[1]

I’m shocked, shocked, I say.  He certainly passes any “extreme vetting” for an Alt Right meeting.  Indeed, he has all the requisite qualifications to be an Alt Right leader.

And now we have our friend Silver:

silviosilver ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ ˢᵘᵖᵖᵒʳᵗᵉʳ 

To call yourself a “Trump supporter” in 2016 was understandable, albeit naïve.  But to do so in 2019?

I would have liked to hear how the group defines “white.” I suspect they’re not playing by the “latino house rules,” in which 80% of Puerto Ricans get to call themselves white.

If they really believe that, say, 70% of Argentinians are White – in the sense of being the same as the Spanish, Italian, and German immigrant stocks – then they are indeed playing by those house rules.

Nonetheless, even a stricter definition will still be largely arbitrary. 

All they really have to do is reject New World admixture.

It will probably be impossibly difficult for the typical “white” Chilean to turn away someone only slightly less “white” simply because of some new urgency of qualifying oneself as white. 

Perhaps for the general population; I am not familiar with Chilean society.

After all, these are people who get along with each other and who share a common identity; breaking apart those bonds on the basis of an arbitrary racial distinction will surely strike them as absurd and immoral.

The same can be said for America as well.

In attenuated form, the same problem plagues the American scene.

Well, yes, but the solution is to sort out the problems, not revel in them.

Pro-white thinkers have not paid nearly enough attention to this issue. 

Now Silver is gaslighting.  Most “pro-White thinkers” “think” about nothing else.

In the past, there was little need to.

Which is why the entire “movement” is based upon it.

Infamously contemptuous WASP attitudes towards other racial kinds…

That Silver previously “infamously” supported.

…helped to etch comparatively solid racial and cultural lines. 

Didn’t stop them from opening the borders to other types.  Gotta have that cheap labor, I suppose.

And WASP demographic predominance meant that marginal cases could safely be filed away in the too hard basket. 

What is that supposed to mean?  Who knows?

That’s no longer the case. Whites have crossbred among themselves and with others – and continue to, at an accelerating rate – and most whites (and “quasi-whites”) subscribe to a common white culture. WASP contemptuousness has vanished. 

Vanished?  It is alive and well in Der Movement – it is indeed the bedrock of Der Movement.  It hasn’t completely vanished in the general society either – it manifests today as The Speaker Syndrome. The same types who grovel to the Negro may well harbor disdain for the White ethnic. And we have Richard Gere lovingly helping African migrants invade Southern Europe.

The result is blurred racial and cultural distinctions all the way down. 

Solutions to this are rejected out-of-hand by the inherent dogma of Der Movement.

Whites in North America are undoubtedly better positioned to save themselves than whites in Latin America, but the aforementioned issues make what was already a hard task even harder.

And Silver will do what he can to make that hard task even harder.

Gaslighting Greg at It Again

Pathetic.

Hunter Wallace has declared war on President Trump. He’s not the only one, of course, but he’s by far the most articulate.

That “most articulate” (by far!) declaration of war by Wallace is simply his reposting of someone else’s tweets. Laughable. This demonstrates why Johnson has to rank among the most fundamentally dishonest people in the Far Right today. He only addresses the low hanging fruit, and ignores real and legitimate criticism.

Johnson’s dishonesty is on display by comparing the following two paragraphs.

Trump’s America First, National Populist stances on immigration, globalization, and foreign policy resonated with millions of Americans: Republicans, independents, and even Democrats. Enough to win him the nomination and the Presidency.

But, as I never tire of pointing out, Trump did not have to take these positions to win. The whole system is premised on not giving the people what they want. Trump could have played by the system’s rules. Trump could have xeroxed the Jeb! platform and still won, based simply on his celebrity, money, and personality. In fact, it would have been easier for Trump to win that way, because by running a National Populist campaign, he had to fight a two-front war against Hillary Clinton and the Republican Party/Conservative Inc. establishment.

So, on the one hand, Trump’s campaign resonated because of his right-wing populism; on the other hand, he could have won simply by being Jeb II with a bigger personality. Johnson has to pull this sleight-of-hand nonsense because he needs to defend his own naive and simpleton-like belief – put in writing years ago and criticized here – that Trump was “sincere.” You see, the “proof” that Trump was “sincere” is that he ran a right-wing populist campaign even though he could have won by being a vulgar and ignorant version of Jeb Bush. Even though that “Trump’s America First, National Populist stances on immigration, globalization, and foreign policy resonated…Enough to win him the nomination and the Presidency.” The reality of course is that Trump’s personality and personal history was actually an impediment for certain important sections of the Republican electorate, who overlooked these flaws because of the promise of Trump’s right-wing populism.

Johnson keeps on peddling the same stupidity that I’ve refuted here time and again. Particularly the idea that Trump could have won on a Jeb Bush platform is so outrageous, it must win an all-time award for Imperial Gaslighting.

See this, emphasis added:

Johnson doesn’t believe Trump was a fraud from the beginning; after all, that would prove Sallis right and Johnson wrong, and we can’t have that. Johnson promotes the lie that Trump could have “cloned Jeb Bush’s platform” and still have won because of his “personality”- can you believe this? In reality, Trump’s campaign took off only after he started talking about Mexican rapists and started attacking the Bush family and their policies.  

What’s laughable is that right after Johnson makes his gaslighting comment, they all admit that people voted for Trump precisely because of his strong talk about immigration (these guys can’t get their stories straight from minute to minute.) – yes, that’s the point.  It was NOT Trump’s personality, which was actually a turn-off for many people who voted for him.  Does anyone believe that Republican voters, including evangelicals, would support a twice-divorced and thrice-married vulgar New York real estate tycoon and reality TV star who talks about his “big hands” and “grabbing pussies” IF this buffoon was merely a neoconservative clone of Jeb Bush?  Does any sane person believe that the enthusiasm that carried Trump to the nomination and then to the Presidency was based on his obnoxious jackass personality, independent of a hardline position on immigration and his America First domestic and foreign policy positions that were articulated during the campaign?…

…It is entirely possible that Trump has some very vague civic nationalist and populist beliefs. But they are likely not important to him, not crucial to his worldview; he is not serious or sincere about any of it in any hardcore, authentic fashion.  He does in fact embody, as Ted Cruz suggested, New York values. He has Jewish family connections, a deep attachment to Israel, and a fondness for Negroes. He is a self-centered narcissist and if he truly cares about anyone other than himself then it likely is his elder daughter Ivanka and no one else. He certainly doesn’t care about his base.  If Trump was (and is) sincere, then why does he ignore his base (e.g., Antifa attacks, State of the Union address), lie to his base (e.g., “the Wall is being built!”) and constantly betray his base (e.g., hiring Neocons, shilling for increased legal immigration, an aggressive foreign policy, pro-Negro “criminal justice reform”)?  The man cares more about pardoning Jack Johnson than he does about his own supporters being physically attacked in the streets and sent to the hospital. His own DOJ persecutes his followers when they defend themselves and ignores the leftist domestic terrorists running wild in the streets.  For Trump to be sincere and commit all his crimes of omission and commission against his base means that the man must be a psychotic retard. However, while he may be vulgar and ignorant, and may be a psychopath, he is not psychotic and he is not retarded…

…if he were sincere, he’s had 2.5 years to give some demonstration of it, and he has done the exact opposite.  He’s not sincere.  He’s a fraud and Johnson was wrong and Sallis was right.

Now back to Johnson’s screed:

When a man pays a huge price to campaign on issues that he didn’t need to win, that tells me that he is sincere. That’s why I believed Trump could save America. That’s why I did everything in my power to get him elected.

This is all about Johnson defending himself, not Trump. This is all about Johnson defending himself, so all you guys don’t realize how naive and inept he really is, so you keep sending in your “D’Nations” and allow him to live a better life than you do yourselves. How many trips to Europe have you taken recently?  

So what happened to the Trump presidency? Obviously, he encountered forces stronger than his convictions about what is necessary to save America. Many of these forces are external. Blackmail cannot be ruled out. Historians will be puzzling out the enigma of Trump well into the next century.

Or they could have been reading EGI Notes back in 2016.  I told you Trump was a fraud and a moron and I was correct.  Johnson – an affirmative action “leader” – was dead wrong, and can’t admit it without the entire facade he’s erected around himself collapsing.

Donald Trump is a tragic figure in the true sense of the word. We are witnessing the terrifying spectacle of a man of genuine greatness failing because of his own grievous faults.

A man of genuine greatness!  Who talked about his “big hands” at debates, and whose knowledge about America’s nuclear triad revolved around “devastation is really important.” This is a man whose policy decisions are influenced by Kim Kardashian and Kanye West. This is a man who sits back and does nothing while his own supporters are physically attacked with impunity; indeed, his own DOJ persecutes his own supporters. He behaves like a borderline retard, but he must be “a man of genuine greatness,” or else Johnson is exposed as a fool, and we can’t have that!

Now I have a serious question to pose to White Nationalists: 

Why support Greg Johnson?

If you want our movement to be in a position to mobilize the Trump electorate and turn it into a genuinely revolutionary National Populist movement, what should our stance be today and going into the 2020 election?

Der Movement needs to be destroyed.

Should we openly declare war on “Blompf”? Should we pour scorn on the “boomers” and “normies” who still support him? Should we announce our intention to tip the 2020 election to the Democrats?

Who is doing the latter?  Oh, that’s right, Johnson’s fellow Quota Queens.  Tulsi Gabbard!  Andrew Yang!  Thus cry the affirmative action cases.  They’ll be endorsing AOC next.

Believe me, folks, I understand the temptation. The A$AP Rocky fiasco is surely one of the most surreal and undignified episodes in the history of the American Presidency. 

But, let us not forget – Trump is a man of genuine greatness!  I mean, really now, EGI Notes told you, years ago, that Trump was a Negrophilic race cuck.  But keep on supporting Johnson and his impeccable pedigree.

And the entire “A$AP Rocky fiasco” undermines Johnson’s argument, as suggested in my last paragraph.  Why would a man of “genuine greatness” do something so outrageously,  embarrassingly stupid?  Is the “tragic figure” Trump being blackmailed to support Black rappers?  Was he blackmailed to pardon Jack Johnson or to push for “criminal justice reform” to allow Black criminals back on the streets?  Isn’t it more likely that Trump is simply a moron, a juvenile jackass, a fan of Negro entertainers, a man of genuine smallness and mediocrity?

And I understand why the Left would like to exploit the El Paso massacre to grab power, but it boggles the mind that Trump and the Republicans are basically willing to throw power away, undermining the First and Second Amendments merely to appease raving lunatics who think anyone to the Right of Hillary Clinton should be censored, disarmed, and eventually replaced by brown helots.

Hmm…would a man truly sincere in his beliefs do this?

Bashing Trump has several benefits:

1. It helps put a stake in the heart of the Man on White Horse Syndrome.

2. It exposes the pathetic failures of the Quota Queens, who followed up their Trump humiliation with endorsements of Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang.

3. It clearly distinguishes White nationalism from Trumpian fraud and moronic civic nationalism.

These guys had three years to reach out to Trump supporters, and instead gave us Unite the Right, the Pilleater Chronicles, and the usual “movement” stupidities and dogmas.  They are protecting their own income stream.  Send in those “D’Nations”- that’s what it is all about. Defending Trump is all about defending their own record of hysterical Trump support.  MAGA!  Pepe!  Kek!

If average group intelligence defines “supremacy,” this is a “yellow supremacist” publication.

Well, since Amren is always harping on IQ, then it is a yellow supremacist publication, as I have previously stated, and got criticized for by all the usual suspects.

The Counter-Currents and Amren failings together point out the real problem.  The real problem is Der Movement, not Trump.  It never really mattered, in the end, if Trump was sincere or not.  Running that campaign,and being elected, was sufficient to set the stage. The 2016 election handed the baton to the “leaders” of the “movement” – who promptly dropped the baton in the toilet and flushed it away. Instead of building in depth we instead got obsessions over a cartoon frog, tiki torch marches and “Jews will not replace us,” Hermansson and Lewis, Pilleater’s accusations of cocaine use and homosexual sexual harassment at “racialist meetings,” the deranged fetishism of Durocher and Ash Donaldson, declarations that Anglin will be one of the new voices of WN 3.0 (remember that, Greg?), endorsements of Gabbard and Yang, and all the rest.  Trump didn’t fail the “movement,”  The “movement” failed itself.  And it failed you, dear reader.

Delenda Est Ethnonationalism

Against the culture retarders. Or just plain retards?

Take a look at this nonsense. The mendacity there is breathtaking – as if Richard Spencer is the end all and be all of pan-Europeanism.  What a joke.  As if Johnson is not familiar with Francis Parker Yockey or Normal Lowell or myself, who used to write for his blog and whose writings on pan-Europeanism were included in the first edition of his New Right compilation book.

But instead of me repeating all the arguments against Johnson’s ethnonationalist screeds, I’ll first comment on something a pan-Europeanist commentator left at that blog.

GrandioseNationalist
Posted July 31, 2019 at 6:49 am | Permalink
As a grandiose Nationalist, I’ve personally grown tired of repeating the same arguments over and over again…

Yes, welcome to the club, my friend.  Doesn’t it tell you anything that you have to repeat the same arguments over and over again?  Doesn’t it tell you that they are no-character dishonest liars?

…so allow me to make OUR case for extreme Pan-Europeanism. Hence, I’m going to tackle all these points that have been made thus far:

You are wasting your time there, but let’s consider what you have to say.

RICHARD SPENCER: Although his statements about Pan-Euro are admirable, he’s falsely attributed as the sole proponent of our ideas. 

Indeed. That’s a classic debating tactic of the dishonest – they search for the worst representative of an idea to set up straw men to easily knock down.  As a representative of serious pan-Europeanism, Spencer is a joke.  And anyone who would set him up as a major thought leader in this regard has basically abdicated any pretense of being a good faith actor.

Spencer truly is anything but one of us: He’s a fierce proponent of Dugin’s vision of a “United Eurasia” (Greater Israel Inc.), which would’ve United certain White Nations and mixed hem altogether with Mongols and Persians. 

True, and Johnson must know this.

Same goes for Constantine Hoffmeister; a Zionist communist who’s all too excited to include Jews in his vision of Eurasia, and an impostor who pretends to be grandiose. 

I’ve criticized that individual before.

Further proof of Spencer’s hypocrisy is that his ex is an ethnic Georgian from Russia (who’s also a Duginist and a self confessed Stalinist). Last I checked, Kouprianova and Stalin were not White European and neither are the rest of the Georgian people.

And I sharply criticized Kouprianova’s grasping attempt to paint Georgians as “Southern Europeans.” They are not such genetically, culturally, phenotypically, historically, or geographically.  I for one am disgusted by NECs and by admixed “Latinos” who try to pass themselves off as Southern Europeans.

PAN-EUROPEAN TENETS: Pan-Europeanism doesn’t hold that we should head towards homogenizing Europeans: that’s a Ethnonationalist misconceptions.

Better said – ethnonationalist LIES. It doesn’t matter what Yockey (or Lowell) wrote about local sovereignty and maintenance of local cultures, it doesn’t matter what I’ve written on the topic for two decades, no, what “matters” is what Spencer wrote in a tweet or muttered in some Alt Right podcast from an Alexandria loft apartment.

WE BELIEVE THAT WHITE PEOPLE , NO MATTER WHERE THEY COME FROM, FORM AS A WHOLE AN INDIVIDUAL SUPER-ETHNY THAT HAS BEEN BROKEN DOWN OVER THE CENTURIES TO SMALLER POLITICAL UNITS, ONLY FOR THEIR DOMINIONS TO SERVE AS A REGATHERING POINT. Therefore, Pan-Europeanism is more of a consciousness; a way of treating one’s total biological and cultural identity as the most fundamental part of our historical identity. 

Yes, this is an excellent statement: “Pan-Europeanism is more of a consciousness; a way of treating one’s total biological and cultural identity as the most fundamental part of our historical identity.”  It is first and foremost a worldview, an ideology, a consciousness, a foundation of Identity, not some particular Duginist plan for Eurasianist Empire or some Hoffmeisterian plan for panmixia.  Perhaps Johnson should worry more about his HBD buddies and their Jeurasian project if he’s so concerned about losing ethnic identities through mixing.  Maybe “Trevor Lynch” can write about that at the anti-White, pro-Hispanic HBD Jew Unz site.

White Nationalism used to be this ALL ENCOMPASSING THEORY that exalted the primacy of race over nation. For centuries the concept of a “generic” Greece was overshadowed by all the individual identities that constitute it (Spartan, Thracian, etc.). It took centuries of Civil Wars for the Greeks to formally unite and form this more “generic” identity. Same things gonna happen with all Europeans in the face of the grave dangers that await us. A NEW NATION WILL BE BORN OUT OF THE STRUGGLES OF THE OLD.

Fair enough.  Kai Murros says the same thing. Look, China alone has hundreds of millions more people than all the Whites worldwide combined.  Same for India.  Even if Whites save themselves from the current threats, the Yellow Peril (and Brownster Peril) will be all too real.  I suppose the ethnonationalist answer is for Whites to hide away in their snug hobbit holes in the forest, but I do not think that’ll work out too well.

When we say that OUR RACE IS OUR NATION, we mean it. I am a brother to every Swede, Spaniard, Slovene, WASP, and every other White person that exists. These are my compatriots; the, and the entire European diaspora.

I agree.

I don’t really get why other Whites don’t fell that way for their own kinsmen.
Descent and patriotic White people like John Morgan should always be welcome to have their shot in the gene pool of their host White Nation (namely Hungary in his case). Just because Mr. Morgan isn’t (presumably) an Ethnic Magyar that doesn’t mean that he ought to be separated from them and removed from Hungary.

I disagree about Morgan.  He’s an ethnonationalist living in someone else’s nation – a complete hypocrite.  And my vision of pan-Europeanism includes Hungary being for the Hungarians.  Being part of a greater whole does not obligate the part to agree to dissolution.  I agree though that small numbers of fellow Europeans can be assimilated.

AMERICA: America proved to be a centuries-long social experiment about whether all the regathered tribes of Europe would either merge into a life-saving fusion or perish because of their minor differences. Guess who got proved right! The fusion of our nations in America became the source of America’s renaissance in the 20th century (the time between 1920s and the late 80s). America showed that Whites can intermingle with each other, but with non-Whites (like in South America) we cannot.

Fair enough.

BALKANS/CZECHOSLOVAKIA: In a Pan-Europeanist world ther wouldn’t be any point in restoring Czechoslovakia or Yugoslavia. Both of these states were based on uniting different nations of the same ethnic-linguistic group (Slavs). Our state would be based on uniting Europeans based on their race, something that hasn’t really been done before in history (except from our colonies). Serbs and Croats share more than 90% of ethnic kinship with one another. However thanks to Ethno-Nationalism both these peoples have fallen into an endless feud with each other (like with a Germany vs France, Russia vs Ukraine, etc., and people have the AUDACITY to call us imperialists? If anything we are grandiose Nationalists.They greatly resemble the way how the Greek city states once fought each other, in spite of the fact that they are of the same stock. By uniting them based on race and by gradually striving towards this generic White identity, just like it happened with Greece, brother wars will cease to be.

The break-up of Czechoslovakia is an example of a failed nation-state, a nation artificially created after WWI, a nation the Slovaks always felt stifled their national identity by making them subordinate to the Czechs.  The Slovaks tried to break away under Hitler’s umbrella, and they were forced back after WWII.  Yes, Czechoslovakia was a multi-ethnic nation-state, but so are, in many ways, other European nations as well. There are internal differences within Germany, Italy, Spain, even France. The UK would have to break up into its constituent nations. There’s Belgium of course.  There’s nothing in general pan-European theory that would prevent local sovereignty of whatever nations or regions that wish to express their own identity, whether these be currently existing nations or smaller fractions thereof.  In fact, such fractionation would only be realistically stable long term within the confined of a greater overarching structure; otherwise, the micro-states would be ineffectively viable on the world stage. Ironically enough, a pan-European macro-state would be more effective at promoting the establishment of smaller regional identities than would be a system of completely separate atomized nation states each attempting to maximize their territory, status, resources, and region an global influence. Ethnonationalism is therefore self-defeating if what they are really about is allowing ethnic self-expression and ethnic preservation. When the nation state is the largest political entity then it has a vested interest in maximizing its size and influence.  It’s not a perfect correlation of course; for example, Spain is in the EU but doesn’t want to give up Catalonia.  But the EU is not a fair grouping of equals but a German-dominated authoritarian state with French junior partners. The EU disguises German national power interests; in this case, it is understandable that the Spaniards do not want to weaken themselves further compared to the German colossus.  A true pan-European entity would not let one or two nations dominate the rest.

On the other hand, while the EU in practice is a fraud, in theory, it is a European macro-state, and, again, nations joined voluntarily.  The nations of Eastern Europe were ecstatic to join (and not only for the economic benefits; they wanted to “join Europe”). They’ve become disenchanted with the far-left globalist agenda of the EU, but I note that even the ethnonationalist hero Orban does not talk of leaving.

In any case, a European macro-state does not mean that Slovaks have to be subordinate to Czechs, or to anyone else.

America isn’t some kind of rootless place without a distinct identity or place in history. Simply put, the primordial order of what once was, manifested itself again. America didn’t fall like Yugoslavia which was based on Ethic-Slavic identity because it’s fundamental unity was based on race. By providing the White peoples with a national body that commands all aspects of culture, regional styles would be preserved while we would enter the new age of our civilization; the creation of a new culture based on the old (as it happened right here). America served her role as the regathering point for all Europeans and left its mark on human history.

Fair enough.

Soon we won’t have the luxury of dividing ourselves based on some minor differences and historical feuds. The tide of color is coming and no one has the power to stop it (yet). 

The HBDers welcome the Yellow (or Yellow-Brown) tide of color.  That’s what fellows like this don’t realize.  Derbyshire’s “measured groveling” to “Rosie” is a feature, not a bug of HBD.  Of course, they oppose pan-Europeanism.  Divide and conquer.

Only a few of our nations will become beacons of hope for our race and serve as the new regathering points after the colonies. Start focusing not on what thing are, but what they should be. The best way to culturally and linguistically unite Whites is an idea proposed by Ben Klassen, which promoted the use of Latin as a secondary/primary language for all White people. Not only would it help to bring down the barriers that divide us, but it would be perfectly in line with our ancestral European heritage ( considering that the overwhelming majority of White nations once had Latin as one their primary languages, which became the precursor of many of their modern dialects).

WE’VE BEEN IDEOLOGICALLY MARGINALIZED FOR YEARS…

Yes, by the ethnonationalists, ethnic fetishists, Nordicists, Type Is of every stripe.  You are wasting your time trying to reason with them.  They oppose you and they hate you.

…YET THE ALL EMBRACING SPIRIT OF PAN-EUROPEANISM STILL BURNS STRONG IN THE SOULS OF WHITE NATIONALISTS. 

Well, maybe 10% of them – the Type IIs. The Type Is that make up most of the “movement” oppose pan-Europeanism; even the ones who superficially claim to support it are against it. For these latter hypocrites, “Europe” is only that which is north of Vienna and west of Berlin.

EVERY ONE OF US SHOULD SPEAK OUT AND FIGHT FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE IN, NO MATTER HOW “DANGEROUS” OUR “UNREALISTIC SEVERAL PEOPLE WANT IT TO SEEM. 

I agree.   What we are all about is being prescriptive; if you want merely to be descriptive, we can just talk about the status quo and assume the future will be the same as past and present. True, you can argue that the prescriptive has to be somewhat realistic. But we do have an EU, nations joined voluntarily, and they became disenchanted with it only because of the way the EU is being run, not the idea of the Union itself.  So why is pan-Europeanism “unrealistic?”  As far as “dangerous” goes, please remember Johnson advocating ethnic cleansing as part of his ethnonationalism. What’s “dangerous” abbot my vision of pan-Europeanism?

History has already proved that what we re trying to achieve is not only feasible, but the right thing to do. Please contemplate on what has been said.

I agree.

I wish you all nothing but the best.

You are being naïve. They are the enemy.

Now, let’s hear from that enemy, and their crazed accusations:

Andris
Posted July 31, 2019 at 7:24 pm | Permalink
Yes, not only I have audacity to call you imperialists but the RIGHT to do so.

I have the right to call you and your kind the murderers of Europe and of the West.

Your Spencer-ite vision…

Is this obsession with Spencer a homoerotic fixation or what?  After “Grandiose Nationalist” spends a paragraph mostly attacking the details of Spencer’s “vision” (sic), he’s accused of supporting it.  Ethnonationalists are crazed.

…stays the same no matter how you use your mental gymnastics to distance him from yourself. 

Clearly distinguishing your ideology from someone else’s is “mental gymnastics.”  Very well.  Ethnonationalists are far-left anarchists – don’t try to fool us into thinking otherwise with all your mental gymnastics!

Again, today I had to witness flowers on a Soviet Russian monument the same pan-europeans refused to get rid off in fear of offending “our brothers”. Flowers on a monument that celebrated murdering my people, sending children to Siberia in cattle wagons, enslaving us just like their tsarist ancestors did before them. 

I have no idea what this moron is talking about.  What?  Some “Spencer-ite” Duginist types worship Stalin and Soviet Russia?  Eurasianists are not pan-Europeanists, you stupid bastard.

We get called fascists for the mere reason some of us don’t speak Russian in our own country. 

That’s right!  After all, Yockey was an anti-fascist, like me.  Idiot.

They play the victim since the 90s. Soviet Union was a Russian nationalist empire, no matter their flag or your mental gymnastics. Russification and oppression never changed.

Psychosis alert!  This person is gibbering against his own fantasies.  Who is supporting “Russification and oppression?”

I have no doubt you would green light murdering of Ukrainians, Latvians, Estonians, Lithuanians for your ill concieved, romanticised imperialist, revisionist fantasy.

Err…it was the ethnonationalist Johnson who openly endorsed ethnic cleansing of European nations who didn’t play along with his ethnonationalist agenda. See here for a critique, and Johnson’s quotes.  All those “Ukrainians, Latvians, Estonians, Lithuanians” had better watch out – the ethnonationalists are coming!

A quote from Johnson exemplifying the peaceful nature of ethnonationalism (emphasis added):

But what would happen if a sovereign European state signed a treaty to host a gigantic Chinese military base? Or if it fell into the hands of plutocrats who started importing cheap non-white labor? Clearly such policies would endanger all of Europe, therefore, it is not just the business of whatever rogue state adopts those policies. What could the rest of Europe do to stop this? Isn’t this why we need a politically unified Europe?

The answer, of course, is what all sovereign states do when they face existential conflicts of interest: they go to war. Other states would be perfectly justified in declaring war against the rogue state, deposing the offending regime, and ethnically cleansing its territory. But then they would set up a new sovereign regime and go home.

Also note the spectacle of these small nations depending on the American empire, NATO, and the EU to protect them from Russia. If you are all so very fiercely independent, then please go it alone and defend yourselves, you hypocrites.  Moscow and Beijing will tremble before the pronouncements of mighty Tallinn!

Here is a template for the ethnonationalists. Watch closely!

Or making Croats bare the failures and problems of Serbs, etc.

Or making Southern Europeans bare the failures and problems of the pathologically altruistic, eh?

I am GLAD that you are an international joke without any power, the sheer idiocy of the alt-right “grandiose” imperialists that call the EU equal or worse than USSR or any empire before it when they have no idea what non-Russians went through. 

Crazed gibbering.

Same with schizophrenics of Christianity that will gladly murder anyone who’s not bowing down to nonexistant god.

It’s more likely for ethnonationalists to be Christians than it is for pan-Europeanists.

You are just a sheltered fool who ignores that ethnonationalism is dangerous only when the nation is imperialistic. 

That ethnonationalism always leads to intra-European war “just happens” to work that way throughout history.  It’s a coincidence, of course.  Was the violent break-up of Yugoslavia caused by “imperialism?”  Or do you blame the creation of that nation on pan-European imperialism?  That’s really laughable. And let’s forget the 800 lb. Chinese gorilla in the room; after all, Europe encompasses the entire Earth, right?  The only problems Europeans have is with Russia, right?

And EVERY imperialist stays an ethnonationalist, no matter your fantasies of white “brotherhood”.

More true than you know.  And vice versaDefinitely vice versa.

In the 40s, Finland was a “threat to peaceful Soviet Union” and now Ukraine is “dangerous to peace and safety of peaceful Russians and Russian Federation”. Laughable.

Sanity alert – pan-Europeanists have contempt for Dugin and Spencer.  I have no idea what this angry, hate-filled screed is supposed to be about.  Get some help.