Category: Kemp

They’re Lying to You

Can’t get their stories straight.

From a previous post, we remember this nonsense.

Now, here’s a key part:

There is a right-sizing to assimilating and naturalizing other peoples. Rome did well with assimilating Europeans with Indo-European/Early Farmer genetic stock, had more problems when it came to Indo-European/Western Hunter Gatherers from the north, and they didn’t assimilate Jews at all.

The implications of that is that the Romans (and other European peoples they assimilated well; for example, the other peoples that were located in what today is Italy, as well as the Greeks) were predominantly “Early European Farmer,” and these peoples were distinct from the more problematical northerners who were predominantly “Western Hunter Gatherer” (with low levels of “Indo-European” in both). This is consistent with the idea of the HBD-Nordicists of a North-South European difference in place dating back thousands of years, since the Neolithic.

Ahh…but the mainstream Nordicists of Der Movement, the Kempian Nordicists, have long told us that the ancient peoples of the Mediterranean – Romans, Greeks, etc. – were Nordic.  The original Roman stock were akin to Dolph Lundgren in a toga.  Except, now, the HBD-Nordicists say, well, that’s not the case, the folks in the togas were “Early Farmers” and the Dolph Lundgrens were “Western Hunter Gatherers.”  No, no, a thousand times, no!  What would Arthur Kemp, David Duke, and Ash Donaldson say?  Blasphemy!  March of the Titans!  Pierce weeps!  Who We Are!  

Taking all of these fetishists as a whole – and they should be taken as a whole since they post on the same blogs and are in fundamental agreement on most things and won’t even openly acknowledge the contradiction outlined above – we can see that they cannot get their story straight.  And when folks cannot get their story straight, what does that tell you? That they are LYING to you. Der Movement has been openly lying to you about race for many decades.  Lie after lie after lie and now they cannot keep their lies straight, so they practice cognitive dissonance and pretend that their views are not internally inconsistent. Assuming that they are not so stupid (or deluded by blind fanatical dogmatic faith in their fetishistic belief systems) that they cannot realize the contradiction, then they must hold you in utter contempt, assuming that you won’t notice it (to be fair to them, most “activists” actually do not notice it).

Also note how this guy uses the term “Early Farmer” while the correct term used in the literature is “Early European Farmer” – have to delegitimize the “European bonafides” of that group, eh?  Wipe that sweat off your forehead, fetishist.

Sweden’s native population contains the most Western Hunter Gatherer DNA, and Sicily’s people have the most Early Farmer genetic material. Sweden’s population is highly individualistic, but operates with a societal consensus, while Sicily has strong families but little cooperation at the societal level.

Gee, you think that the long history of invasion and foreign domination in Sicily may have something to do with it as well?  Also, there is my theory of genetic heterogeneity, which builds upon the observation that diversity decreases the willingness to invest in collective social goods. This may hold true even in certain mono-ethnic societies, if the ethnies in question possess significant genetic heterogeneity, which is processed by members of that society through the proxy of phenotypic heterogeneity. The more different members of an ethny seem to each other, the less their willingness to invest in the broader society, and the greater the urge to invest in more “safe” concentrations of genetic interest, such as the family. Southern Europe has greater genetic heterogeneity than the North. Of course, ethnocentrism may play a role as well; although the North is more homogeneous, there are still some Bromstad/Bjork types there, who apparently do not trigger any anti-collective urges.  It is no doubt complex.

I believe that this Jewish ability to hijack altruistic punishment is unstable and only temporary. It is clear to this author that the single largest ethnic conflict in American history is that between Yankees and Jews. So far, the Jews have practiced aggression against the Yankee without receiving any response, but this situation will not continue indefinitely. People will always eventually respond to attacks.

Completely insane delusion.  Actually, according to the Lind thesis of American politics, the “Yankees” have been the most important and enthusiastic allies of the Jews in the destruction of America, and the unleashing of the Black/Brown plague on middle class and working class White Americans.  No, the single largest ethnic conflict is that of the Jewish-Yankee-Negro alliance vs. the White Southerner-White ethnic alliance, precisely what Lind outlined.  “Movement” heroes like John Lindsay, Hubert Humphrey, Elizabeth Warren, and Greta Thunberg are clearly on the side of Jewish interests, and all the sweaty fetishism and padded cell delusions can’t change that fact.

Stop lying, liars.

And if these guys truly believe that these differences between Europeans are so important, and if they will be honest enough to acknowledge the failures of the WHG-enriched “movement leadership,” why don’t they consider that it may be useful to get at least some input and leadership from more EEF-enriched individuals?  Perhaps some new perspectives would be useful?  But no.  They’d rather reinforce their monopoly than let others have a hand in the endeavor.

Yeah…let’s not disguise it.  First, all these types were foaming at the mouth that Trump the “God Emperor” was “the last chance for White America” back when I was openly calling Trump a race cuck and a buffoon and when Strom was telling you not to believe Trump. Second, and infinitely worse, Greg Johnson is STILL saying that Trump was/is “sincere” and is a “man of genuine greatness.”  That’s your WHG-enriched “leadership.”  Apparently, “social cohesion” is built by being painfully naïve, being wrong all of the time, and/or gaslighting readers in an attempt to avoid accountability for your endless failures and monumental errors of judgment.

Another Fundamentally Dishonest Fetishist

Just like Kemp.

The ignoramus who wrote that Counter-Currents article tries to defend himself by writing:

I seem to have struck an emotional nerve with you and a few others. It’s certainly the first time I’ve been accused of being a Nordicist; usually, it’s a Hellenophile.

Ah yes, but to this fundamentally dishonest dissembler, the Hellenes were Nordics; Dolph Lundgren philosophizing at the Agora. So, in his case, being a Hellenophile and being a Nordicist are functionally equivalent.  Well lied, liar!

This “I’m not a Nordicist” whine from extreme Nordicists is familiar to anyone remembering all the dust-ups over March of the Titans during the first decade of this century.  If I recall correctly, Kemp – who is considered one of the most extreme Nordicists in recent memory and is always cited by and defended by other extreme Nordicists – would deny his ideology by making comments like “But I say that Mediterraneans contributed to White history.”

What Kemp left out, of course, is that his opinion was of a relatively minor Mediterranean contribution (after all, Ancient Egypt, Greece, and Rome were all Nordic), and that this modest contribution was all ancient, since he proclaimed that the “Mediterranean Race” no longer existed, being mongrelized out of existence, with many Southern Europeans being, essentially, cringing non-White untermenschen.  But he’s no Nordicist, no sir!

I also like how the Counter-Currents fetishist pulls a “Durocher” on us to imply that critics of his “truth” are motivated by emotion. Unlike him, who is, of course, motivated only by a non-emotional devotion to facts! Yes, indeed, and that’s why these truth tellers mysteriously ignore all of the ancient DNA findings that refute their beliefs, and also ignore population genetics studies that describe Siberian/East Asian admixture in their favorite parts of Europe.

Who has had an “emotional nerve” “struck,” I wonder?  Those who lie by commission and omission, or those who merely point out the lies for all to see?

Another Answer to Retardation

He may as well talk to the wind for all the good it will do.

As regards this issue, see the comment below. I don’t agree with every detail, but the main thrust is generally in accord with my views, and the points to which I agree with most are highlighted. I am not correcting the various errors of writing or formatting; those are minor issues of no great relevance to the main themes of the comment.

GrandioseNationalist
Posted July 11, 2019 at 4:03 pm | Permalink
Another Nordicist who tries to “preach” us about history. This thing never ends; always trying to find artificial excuses to undermine Southern European contribution to Europe and further divide Europeans based on some outdated ideology. There’s a reason why the Star Systems and planets have Greek and Roman names and not Norse ones. See now how we’ve engaged in this fruitless debate that only serves our demise?
Furthermore all White Nationalists have to keep in mind a few things:
a) It’s not Greeks that have Turkish DNA but instead it’s the Turks that have Greek ancestry (along with other ethnic backgrounds). There is virtually no research or proof that shows that Greeks have Turkic ancestry. All racially mixed offsprings were either absorbed into the Turkish society or the Christian Orthodox women would commit suicide or murdered and shunned by their families before having kids with the “Muslim Oppressor”.
b) The Ancient Greeks had this ancient motto knows as “pas mi Hellen varvaros” which means “all non-Hellenes are barbarians”. Although there were some exception among the lines of the Persian, Celtic, and Roman kindred, Greeks shared an equal hatred even for each other (Spartans vs Athenians, etc.). Alexander was no exception, as the man who civilized the East.
c) Nordicist ideology has contaminated our tenets for more than a century and has only served to divide and conquer us, by placing basis on an abstract sub-racial division. There are Nordics common in all European nations just as there are Meds in Britain and Ireland.

c) Although not directly related to this article, it is vital to acknowledge that Pan-Europeanism is our only way out. When the Southern States, Southern And Northern Europe get overrun by migrants we ‘re gonna have to unite in a way that has never been done before. The US showed that White intermixia and nationhood is perfectly feasible and desirable if we proceed carefully step by step to that direction (that has already been happening for centuries now; look at us for example). It sure as hell didn’t lead to chaos and anarchy as some Ethnonationalists would wish. Now I’m saying this as someone who is of pure ethnic stock and has reached to that conclusion after lots of consideration and the studying of history.

The SYSTEM doesn’t give a penny or two about whether you’re Anglo-Celtic, Greek, Nordic, or what. All they see is a White person, and they attack our Whiteness because that’s the essence of our identity.

NATIONALISM is evolutionary: it extends for the POLIS to the REGION to the COUNTRY and eventually to the WHOLE RACE. By simply making a regression to these patterns would mean to be forced to repeat this endless loop of factricidal war and foreign infiltration. The Athenians would’ve objected to be united with the Spartans under the “generic definition” of the Greek, and they’d want to keep their “individual differences and have their separate ways”. Now that Greece is united, do you see any war between the two? Now they’re just Greeks and nothing else.

In less then two centuries time we’ll see the salvation of the White Race come to fruition under a life-saving fusion of all those who are Called Europeans akin to that in the US; under a centralized transcontinental state . Think on that.

The major problem with this well-meaning fellow is that he is wasting his time. He may as well talk to the wind for all the good it will do; he’ll get more of a useful response if he was addressing a pile of bricks.

It doesn’t matter that there is no evidence supporting the Counter-Currents viewpoint, it doesn’t matter that ancient DNA studies have so far refuted Kemp, none of that matters. When you are dealing with blind religious faith, facts do not matter and logic does not matter.  There is no place in Der Movement for pan-Europeanists, just as there is no place for Southern and Eastern Europeans. The Type Is have always had a stranglehold on control of the American “movement” and they will continue to hold on; if you want change, you’ll have to do it yourself by contributing to the formation of a new, alternative racial nationalist structure, a Type II-led movement.

I want to comment on this picture, much beloved by Nordicists. By modern phenotypic standards, we may say, subjectively, that Terentius Nero had an atypical phenotype. Very well.  So what?  That’s not evidence supporting that he was not of indigenous stock.  We do not know the range of indigenous phenotypes of ancient Italy.  For all we know, Nero’s phenotype  may have been common, at least among those of plebian stock, and may reflect Neolithic farmer ancestry. On the other hand, maybe he did have non-indigenous ancestry. Can you know any of that by looking at that one picture?  It’s not as if he looked like a Negro, a Chinaman, or David “Chopsticks” Bromstad, for example.

If you want to play the (frankly stupid) game of using single pictures to make snap judgments about an entire ethny, nation, people, or race, then what about this?  The ancient peoples of Italy were brown-skinned with black curly hair! Terentius the Etruscan!

This is the young Benito Mussolini, a representative of a people – Northern Italians – that Der Movement likes to tell us (absurdly) are “Celto-Germanic Nordics.” Judging by that picture, the typical Northern Italian male looks like the younger brother of General Mapache from The Wild Bunch.

By the standards of “one picture to judge a people,” I won’t get into what the Bromstad family, or Bjork, may tell us about Northern Germanics.

Meanwhile, on a completely different (of course!) matter, I’m working on a post or posts in which I am going to admit that Sallis was wrong about an issue concerning the “movement,” in contrast to certain academic types who were right.  Stay tuned!

Sunday in Der News: 4/28/19

In der news. In all cases, emphasis added.

Wrong, wrong, they’re always wrong.

All the main characters have blue eyes…Michael Ironside plays the teacher/lieutenant Jean Rasczak…

See this.

NAME: Michael Ironside
DATE OF BIRTH: 12 Feb 1950 Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
HAIR COLOUR: BROWN
EYE COLOUR: BROWN
STARSIGN: Aquarius

And this.

Michael Ironside eye color Dark brown

And also this.

At the very last scene of that, there’s a scene in SCANNERS where I’m set on fire and my head comes up and those scleras they put on your eyes, they had scratched all my corneas. So the contact lenses they had made for me to change my eye color didn’t fit properly because my eyes had been scratched. Dick Smith happened to have with him Dustin Hoffman’s eyes from LITTLE BIG MAN and they were actually oversized, and you wouldn’t normally do this because they have to be fitted, but when you see me come out from under that coat at the end of SCANNER, those blue eyes of mine are Dustin Hoffman’s from LITTLE BIG MAN.

Apparently, Hoffman used colored contact lenses in Little Big Man, and that film image was used for Ironside’s eyes in Scanners because of Ironside’s scratched corneas.

I know Unz has an agenda, but, please, do better.

I can imagine that some people will question the importance of this. “Who cares?” they will declare.  No doubt, I will be accused of pedantic nitpicking. However, there is a larger issue here than just the eye color of Michael Ironside. One defining characteristic of Der Movement is people making self-assured public pronouncements that are not only wrong, but very easily demonstrated to be wrong with about thirty seconds of casual googling.  We have Duchesne, whose main focus is the uniqueness of Western civilization, completely misrepresenting the Neolithic farmer ancestry in Europeans. We have Mangan and his smug bombastic comments about most Italian-Americans being of North Italian descent. We have Alt Righters stating “Arthur Kemp was right” concerning Ancient Egyptian genetics that demonstrate precisely the opposite. What we see is carelessness, sloppiness, and a lack of attention to detail that is all very disconcerting, and that is, in my opinion, directly associated with the endless failures of “leadership” and all of the infiltrations and other lapses in judgment.  

Imagine you were reading the resume or CV of someone applying to you for employment, and you observe that their submission is full of spelling, grammar, and formatting errors. Would you hire them?  It is the same principle – can you trust people in positions of authority who make mistakes that could have been avoided with minimal effort, with minimal care, with minimal attention to detail?

We’ll wait and see what the facts are, but likely this will be used an another excuse for censorship.  I really wish these numbnuts would stop shooting up places of worship. It’s not advancing any sort of “cause,” my friends.  Just stop.

The NRA is not part of the “movement,” but it is part of the broader “Right” even though they claim to also represent “pro-gun liberals” and other such rare creatures.

Ollie North!   And now he’s out at the NRA.

Genetic History of Rome Coming?

Preliminary; emphasis added.

There is some talk that a paper is coming out soon tracing the genetic history of Rome (and surrounding areas of Italy) from prehistory to more modern times. Some preliminary summaries were put online, apparently written up by someone who saw an academic presentation. If we assume that the material posted online is accurate (we have to await the actual paper), what can we say about it?  Again, this assumes that the material below is authentic, which I give no guarantee to. I am just reporting what is online at this point. Whether it turns out to be true or bogus, only time will tell.

Presentation by Hannah Moots. No pictures, not allowed. Paper coming out in a couple of months, done with Pinhasi and Pritchard.

134 genomes, spanning 12000s BP to Renaissance and enlightenment. 0.5-3.5X coverage.

Time period covered.

Vast majority of sampling sites concentrated in Rome and surrounds, lowlands of Latium around the Tiber River, up to Ostia, almost all restricted to Lazio. Some extend to Abruzzo, South Le Marche, none, or maybe one, in Tuscany, and on the South of Tuscany if that.

Couple of samples from Sardinia.

Areas covered.

I’ll give a PCA position and a ADMIXTURE description for each time period. Note that the ADMIXTURE only had Iranian, EEF, WHG, EHG and Levant_N, no CHG. Where Iran N appears, it may be a stand-in for CHG. There is something quite puzzling in the list below, mislabeling in the slides? But that doesn’t explain it either.

UPPER PALEOLITHIC

All WHG

Which of course makes sense. In the Upper Paleolithic, only the Western Hunter Gatherers were present.  All ‘high-trust,” no doubt.

NEOLITHIC

Mostly EEF, some WHG. Some Iran_N, quite a significant quantity, as much as WHG. PCA position Between Sardinia and Maltese, east of Sardinia, closer to Sardinia than to Maltese

As I’ve written about many times, Southern Europe was heavily Early European Farmer – the Neolithic farmer expansion from Anatolia/Near East – since the Neolithic. The Paleo/Neo divide that the “movement” breathes heavily about was in place before the rise of the Classical Civilization.  The “Iranian” may be CHG ancestry.

BRONZE AGE (EARLY)

Overlaps modern-day Sardinia, Iran_N percentage declines, WHG and EEF increases

(Note that this represents a Europeanisation of the gene pool!)

Sardinian-like genepool, even more EEF than before.

IRON AGE TO REPUBLICAN PERIOD (700-20BC)

Note: Separated from previous period by 1000 year gap.

Fewer samples, of those that exist 60% overlap with North Italy, 40% overlap with South Italy and Sicily, centroid of overall cluster in central Italy but no samples occur there, very wide spread.

EHG appears, Levant N Appears for the first time, sporadic and inhomogeneous distribution, Iran_N increases further.

This may be the most important set of samples; unfortunately, they are “fewer.”  I say these are the most important because this is the period of Roman history that, according to Der Movement, the Ancient Romans were akin to Dolph Lundgren walking around in a toga. Note that the centroid of the samples (not any individual sample itself) are akin to Central Italy – a North/South mix, a bit more slanted to the North (60% to 40%). “60% overlap with North Italy, 40% overlap with South Italy and Sicily” is hardly Dolph Lundgren walking around in a toga. Note that Levantine and “Iranian” influences, in addition to EHG, are present at this early time. These are parts of the Italian genepool dating back to the Iron Age. Combined with EEF, that likely explains much of the “Southwestern Asian” or “Anatolian” (or whatever) “findings” from ancestry testing companies (with their inadequate parental/reference populations) for customers from this region.

This period of Roman history seems to be rather genetically heterogeneous. The centroid is Central Italian, but no samples occur there. Was the population basically a bipartite Northern and Southern Italian mix?  Der Movement would of course infer Northern Italian Patricians and brutal and stupid Southern Italian Plebs. None of them seem to cluster with Scandinavia though.

IMPERIAL PERIOD

Dense cluster centroid between Greeks, Cypriots, South Italians/Sicilians, and Syrians, closest to Sicilians. Long tail stretching from central cluster to Syrians and Iraqi Jews. Couple of Northern-shifted samples overlapping N Italy, France, Spain.

Iran_N increases further, Levant N again sporadic and inhomogeneous.

During the Imperial Period Rome becomes more cosmopolitan, as historically noted, with increased population coming from Greece and the Levant, but some from more Northern and Western regions. This shifts the centroid from a more Central Italian to Southern Italian/Sicilian centroid, consistent with the modern clinal gene frequencies shown here.

LATE ANTIQUITY

Tight cluster centroid in S Italy, in the same place as in the previous period. Southern tail to Middle East disappears. N Italian, Northern European and NW European outliers exist.

Later, the centroid remains similar to Southern Italy, but perhaps a bit more Northern and Western than before – “Southern tail to Middle East disappears. N Italian, Northern European and NW European outliers exist.”

AFTER

Resemble modern central Italians.

I would assume that the increase in “N Italian, Northern European and NW European” shifted the centroid back to Central Italian.

Thus, during the period of Der Movement’s favorite era – the early days to the end of the Republic – these data  (again assuming they are authentic) show, crudely speaking, a Central Italian centroid Rome that was split between 60% similar to Northern Italy and 40% similar to Southern Italy/Sicily.

Cosmopolitan migration into Rome pushed the centroid a bit more South/East along the cline of gene frequencies to a more Southern Italian centroid during the peak of Empire. Without seeing the actual data, this could simply be the addition of Greeks, Jews, and Syrians to the population in addition to the bulk of the pre-existing population, rather than a panmixia.  But at this point, who knows?  Some admixture may be possible.

Later, an increased influx from the North and West shifted the centroid back to Central Italian, into modern times. 

Lactase persistence alleles appear abruptly after 0 AD.

Romans were therefore lactose intolerant during the period that Der Movement asserts was Leif Erickson as Consul of Rome.

Heterozygosity reaches modern level after Iron Age.

No information given on uniparentals.

Isotope information not available yet, no way apart from archaeological context to tell between migrants and locals.

Represents a preliminary effort, more work coming later.

If we assume that these data are authentic and if we further assume that the “more work” does not alter the story significantly (two big “ifs”), then the essential Der Movement narrative is not supported.  The only point of agreement (that no one has ever substantially argued against) is that the city of Rome (and some other areas) became more cosmopolitan during the Imperial Era. That there were migrants and slaves in the city is well known.  However, these data paint a crude genetic picture of a Republican Rome whose genetic centroid was Central Italian, a more Southern Italian Imperial and Late Antiquity Rome, and then shifting back to Central Italian in more modern times.  I suppose that Der Movement can try and salvage something here by asserting that “degeneration” (if such actually occurred, which is debatable) was accompanied by the Central to Southern Italian centroid shift. However, the more fundamental point is that these data (again, if authentic, which I do not guarantee) can be interpreted as suggesting that Rome, the Republic, the whole story, was founded by a lactose intolerant, EEF-enriched, Southern European people very crudely akin to a population of 60% Northern Italian and 40% Southern Italian/Sicilian. I suppose that Der Movement would claim that the Patricians were of that 60% and the Plebian rabble were all of the 40%.  Regardless, it is doubtful that any of the sample data are going to fit a narrative stating that Ancient Rome, of any period, was composed of Celto-Germanic Nordics.

Needless to say, from the standpoint of EGI and of biopolitics, all of this is irrelevant.  It is all completely irrelevant to the political facts on the ground today as they related to genetic interests.  From the standpoint of analyzing Der Movement, it is interesting. No doubt that whatever the final outcome of this research, the Nutzis will say “Arthur Kemp was Right,” although it undoubtedly will not truly be so.

Tuesday in Der Movement

More items. In all cases, emphasis added.

Amren commentator – Trump is the anti-Teddy:

rls976  stmariz2 • 20 hours ago

Trump speaks loudly but carries a twig

Hey, Roissy, are you paying attention?

Question for the Alt Wrong: If, as you claimed, Trump was “the last chance for White America” and if, as you claim today, he is a do-nothing fraud and swindler, then what now?

The FBI under Trump: Proud Boys BAD, Antifa GOOD.  With Sessions gone, can we now talk about Antifa Don, as opposed to Antifa Jeff?

Zman:

The rules, as currently written, are designed to protect the Left. Antifa gets police protection at riots, because the cops know the dissidents would tear the spaghetti armed Antifa boys to shreds, if given the chance. Everywhere you look the system is rigged to protect the Left and make it difficult for dissidents to mount a challenge.

Well, yes, that’s obvious, and has long been that way.  Very well.  But now the “God Emperor” is in charge of the federal government, of law enforcement, and the System’s pro-Antifa bias is stronger than ever.  That is what one would expect with Antifa Don in charge, a far-left effeminate, obese, and vulgar anti-White radical.  Make Antifa Great Again!

And it’s another great moment in Der Movement history. But let us give Spencer some credit: At least, unlike some other people, he does not use his children as fund-raising props, a behavior that is in my opinion indescribably inappropriate.

Yeah, Richie, you were real prescient and all.  And this blog – EGI Notes – was saying that Trump was a fraud, a Negrophile, a Jew-lover, and a vulgar, ignorant, buffoon, long before the election.  I guess it is time to establish the Crazy and Bitter Ted Twitter Account – and start broadcasting my ultra-prescience to the masses, eh?

See this.  Apparently, things have changed since the time when Russian soldiers would strip Italian POWs naked in the snow and pour ice water over them.  Of course, the Afrowops invited such contempt because of their pitifully pathetic military performance in WWII.  To the extent that that performance was not inherent in the Afrowop biological character, Mussolini has much blame there.  Fascism was in power for nearly twenty years when Italy entered WWII, and after all that time the population (such as it was) was not in any way radicalized, the military was ill-trained and ill-equipped, and sending such specimens to the Eastern Front was akin to sending Pee Wee Herman to compete in a Mixed Martial Arts event.  Il Duce did complain that he was like a sculptor with no stone to work with – that the poor human material of Italy’s population left him with little to do anything grand with.  To the extent that is true, he should have realized that, and either not gotten involved in the war, or at least only participated with limited contingents of the highest quality Italian soldiers, equipped and trained as best as possible, rather than with a general mass enlistment force.  A more focused group of soldiers may have demonstrated a credible military performance.  And, if the population was as bad as he said, he should have concentrated on eugenics and racial hygiene rather than blustering and war, and should have “fascistized” the existing population so as to extract from them the best performance possible – instead of being an Italian Trump with all blustering talk and no real action.

High-T Quota King Coulter – mudshark Annie herself – mocks Trump.  Gee, what ever happened to In Trump We Trust?

In response to the latest System lies about race, I point to:

1. This post.  You know, every time the “more variation within than between” nonsense is trotted out, the sly implication is to suggest to people that “within” is always within races.  But my post shows that this applies to ANY grouping of people.  However, the between racial differences are above and beyond the random genetic variation that exists, proving the biological validity of race.  In other words, there is just as much (if not more) “within group” variation for mixed groups of Whites and Blacks as there is within separated groups of Whites or groups of Blacks, but the between group variation is maximized when comparing the separate groups of Whites and Blacks.

2. Genetic interests are based on genetic kinship, which itself is based upon relative genetic similarity or difference.  Genetic kinship and genealogy track to an imperfect degree (as both Sailer and I agree).  So what?  A random co-ethnic may share more genes with you than your fourth cousin.  Again, so what?  If anything, it proves how closely co-ethnics can be genetically related.  And there is no difference, objectively speaking, between identity by state and identity by descent. Identical is identical. If two gene sequences are the same then they are the same regardless of why they are the same.

3. And, yes, it is possible for a European descendant of Charlemagne to have zero genes directly derived from Charlemagne.  But guess what?  They will be more genetically similar to Charlemagne than is a Nigerian.  Guess what racial group Otzi the Iceman clusters with?  Hint: It is not Negroes or Orientals.  Genetic kinship is not the same as genealogy, and as a proponent of EGI, I’m concerned with genetic kinship.

So…A woman is told that (from the NY Times article that Breezy Steve links to):

Johnson’s father, a chauffeur who later became a superintendent at a housing project in North Philadelphia, had a golden-brown complexionHer mother, who said her own father was a white Brit and her mother was half African-American and half Native American, was light-skinned. People sometimes mistook Johnson’s mother for white, and when she applied for seamstress jobs at department stores in the 1920s and ’30s, she chose not to correct them.  

She tests out as between 43-45% sub-Saharan African, which seems to me to be fairly accurate (as Sailer agrees). What’s the problem? The sickness of the SJW System is such that when genetic testing confirms race and demonstrates reasonable accuracy, the hysterics moan about “problems” and “inaccuracies.”  Likewise, when genetic analysis refutes Kemp on Ancient Egypt, the equally sick and hysterical “movement” says that the same analysis “proves Kemp was right.”  Both the System and Der Movement are frauds when it comes to racial science and racial history.

Well, when Roissy declared Salvini “the Italian Trump,” I guess he was right:

A young Somali refugee, who has just been granted refugee status, has been arrested on suspicion of raping a 68-year-old woman as she sunbathed on a beach in Abruzzo, Italy.

And, hey, according to the great and good Sir Desmond Jones, Italy is 100% ethnically and racially homogeneous to the end of time, forever and ever, amen.  After all, Afrowops, Somalis, what’s the difference?  

Hey, be careful there Hunter, you might get banned from Counter-Currents.  Don’t you know you are not supposed to challenge Greg too vigorously?  He’s already previously more or less called you “crazy” (*) and then wrote that your site was “black-pilling” (bitter); you may be next on the blacklist:

Hunter Wallace

Posted November 19, 2018 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

Billy Roper purity spiraled his way out of it.

He didn’t trust Jason Kessler. He didn’t like a variety of people who were scheduled to speak there. He didn’t trust the plan. You can say he opposed it for the wrong reasons, but it is unfortunate that Jacob Goodwin went and will be paying the price for years. There were a lot of WN 1.0 guys besides Roper who thought it was naive to hold such a large rally.

That’s correct.  Roper was right.  Why can’t Johnson give Billy credit for that? Both Roper and Johnson were skeptical about Unite the Right.  As was I – neither WN 1.0 nor WN 2.0 – by the way.  So, three people, with three different “movement” ideologies, all thought the rally was stupid.  Who thought it was a good idea?  All the heroic Millennials of WN 2.0. Let them assume the responsibility for that. It’s called accountability. Try it some time.

* In the comments thread of the above-linked article, Johnson wrote (about Wallace):

Moreover, this individual had also been committed to a mental institution and diagnosed as bipolar and schizophrenic…and during this psychotic episode (the one that he will admit to), he blogged about going to work for the SPLC.

If memory serves, Johnson later had Wallace as a podcast guest.  

Finally, Greg Johnson and I are in complete agreement on something:

Greg Johnson

Posted March 20, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

I am not a defeatist, but I do think that unconscious defeatism is a factor when movement people demand less competence and responsibility from so called leaders than they demand from their car mechanic. After all, a brake failure is serious. A failure of movement leadership . . . well, one would think that much more serious, since we are concerned with the preservation of our whole race. But the fact that people treat it far less seriously indicates that they really don’t think that the movement can accomplish its aims under any circumstances.

Greg seems “crazy and bitter” there – “blackpilling” – and should therefore ban himself form commenting at Counter-Currents.

Playing Out The String: Rome

The last century (or so) of the Western Roman Empire.

I will consider two relevant books, building on previous discussion at this blog on the subject of the Fall of Rome.

The first book: Theodosius: The Empire at Bay, by Williams and Friell

This book begins with the battle of Adrianople and its outcome (disastrous for Rome, good for the Goths and, hence, for Der Movement), focuses its major sections on Theodosius and his reign and its implications, and then finishes with a brief epilogue of the post-Theodosius Roman world and the question as to the inevitability of the collapse of the Western Roman Empire.

The historical background for the reign of Theodosius, and its influence on European history, which are covered in this book, are a matter of record, can be read (in summarized form) online, and we need not repeat all of that here.

Instead, we can address certain issues of interest to this blog.

This book makes some good points, which usually escape the obsessives and fetishists.  The Fall of Rome, the Western Empire at any fate, can be effectively explained without resort to sweaty rambling about “racial degeneration through admixture.”  

What about the Decline of Rome, as opposed to its Fall, if we agree that a “decline” took place?   

That Rome changed is without a doubt, but what do you expect?  The Theodosius book makes (what should be) the obvious point that the gigantic land empire of Rome could be maintained over time, and against the constant barrage of threats, only by co-opting and assimilating the subject peoples.  This process invariably would erode the specifically Roman – as in the original Romans – nature of the state. By state I mean the empire as a whole, as well as the nature of its rulers, as emperors eventually came from non-Roman and then non-Italian origins. This does not imply a mass panmixia of the population.  In other words, the Roman state, its citizenship, and its leadership, eventually came to include all the various ethnies found within it, so that any specific and exclusive character to the state was lost.  That is not the same as postulating “racial degeneration through admixture” – cultural and political degeneration may be more accurate, if one holds the narrow character of the early Roman Republic as the ideal.. But again, these changes are the price of establishing an empire – an integrated land empire especially – through conquest.

Other obvious points made is that as peoples become more civilized, their willingness and effectiveness as warriors diminishes to some extent (genetic pacification, along with cultural and social changes), and so the need exists to expand the pool of prospective soldiers; for Rome, from Italy to Gaul and Spain to the Danubian provinces and then, ultimately to Germanic and Asiatic barbarians (the latter of which contributed to the Fall).

So, yes, we observe the inevitable changes in the nature of the Roman state, the elevation of Emperors of non-Roman (in the strictest sense) and non-Italian heritage, and the creation of a multiethnic civil service and military force.

None of this should come as a surprise – was it possible for Rome itself, alone or in conjunction with local Italian allies, to administer and defend this vast territory against constant threats (Germans, Persians, Huns, Alans, etc.) for century after century?

The choice was between a Roman Rome or a multiethnic Empire.  A strictly ethnically Roman empire was an impossibility. Note that the European colonial empires of the last few centuries were for the most part overseas empires, local elites were co-opted even then, and these empires lasted not very long before collapsing and resulting in a backflow of colonized peoples into Europe itself.  One could argue that the overseas colonial model ended up being a worse disaster than Rome’s.


Another point made is that conquest of the empire, which brought with it all the goodies initially extracted from the conquered lands, was economically, politically, and organizationally easier than maintenance of its vast holdings over the centuries.

It is true that there was a lot of political corruption in the Later Western Roman Empire, but that had nothing to do with racial degeneration, as the Theodosius book clearly demonstrates. The chapter “The Topheavy Empire” discusses in detail the causes, types of, and consequences of, the excessive levels of political corruption that grew over time in the Roman Empire, particularly in the West.

So, yes, lots of political corruption. But then there was always corruption in Rome, including in the Republic period, also including Pierce’s favorite, Sulla.

Indeed, corruption throughout the Classical period was a problem, and it is also important to distinguish political corruption from moral.  Political corruption is always a problem for bureaucracies, and the larger the bureaucracy grows – as one would expect from a large, established empire over time – the more political corruption grows.  Moral corruption has some overlap with political corruption, but the two are not the same.  One could have political corruption without a large amount of moral corruption spread throughout society; on the other hand, political corruption is usually found whenever moral corruption is widespread.  So, it does not follow that political corruption in the Late Western Roman Empire necessarily means that that moral corruption was growing; one can argue that the Christian Late Western Roman Empire was significantly less morally corrupt than the Rome of Sulla, Caesar, Tiberius, Caligula, or Nero. Likewise, the America of Tammany Hall, the Grant administration, and the Harding administration, had enormous amounts of political corruption, but was far less morally corrupt than the America of today.

So, it is understandable that growing powers and established empires will have political corruption and such corruption is bad and it is destructive, but it is not the same as moral corruption, and there is no clear connection of corruption to “racial degeneration” as Der Movement typically asserts.

The racial degeneration theory raises the question as to why the more racially degenerate Eastern Roman Empire lasted a thousand years longer than the West.  Perhaps because the Fall of the West was due in large part to military reasons and not racial degeneracy, and that the East had the wealth to “buy off threats.” This the West could not effectively do. Of course, Der Movement will assert that unlike the degenerate later empire, the noble, Aryan, Dolph Lundgren-like original Romans would never stoop to buy off their enemies. Yeah, sure.

Indeed, the Roman accommodation of the Goths under Theodosius, and their treatment as equals and settlement in Roman lands as an integrated unassimilated group – that would later prove disastrous – was done because of serious Roman manpower shortages and the realization of other threats over the horizon – Huns and Alans.  Manpower shortages, coupled perhaps to Frost’s “genetic pacification” of the shrunken population, and, most importantly, the constant hammering from “barbarian” threats – Goth, Huns, Alans, etc. – were too much for the Empire to bear, especially when coupled to strategic idiocy and infighting from the leadership of the state.

Under those circumstances, one wonders how the Western Empire lasted as long as it did, not that it collapsed.

On another point, if the Romans had been in a better positon in the West, and had the Goths (and Vandals and other Germanics) been more reasonable and far-sighted, the initial steps of Roman and Germanic cooperation (e.g., Frankish generals and Gothic soldiers serving in the Western Roman military, as well as the cooperation at Chalons), could have led to the evolution to a more modern Europe without the interregnum of the Dark Ages.

As an amusing aside, as part of moral posturing on the part of the authors of this book about ‘racism and xenophobia,” they note the anti-barbarian sentiments of Synesius of Cerene who proposed that “Let all fair-haired men be banished from positions of power.”  Cue fainting fits from Der Movement. (Jordanes’ Getica is more in Der Movement style).

The authors suggest that Synesius’ opinions were unrealistic, before telling us all about the disintegration of the Western Roman empire under the onslaught of the selfsame barbarians critiqued by Synesius, including “allies” of one emperor or another (or of their behind the scenes handlers).  Does the name “Alaric” ring a bell?  So, the authors need to do a better job of refuting Synesius than SJW hysteria about “racism and xenophobia.”

This book is the mirror image of the Theodosius biography; it gives a brief summary of what went on before the main subject of this volume, including a brief history of the reign of Theodosius himself, and then concentrates on the last decades of the Western Roman Empire, including an analysis of what went wrong.

The Vandal conquest of Rome’s African province was devastating for the Western Empire, cutting off a significant source of revenue, leading to bankruptcy and the inability to maintain an effective independent military force.  Grain shipments were disrupted, as was trade in the Mediterranean.  The Roman aristocracy selfishly refused to contribute to the empire’s defense, with either men or money, and the provinces began losing loyalty to Rome (itself obsessed with palace intrigue and civil wars), with an increased emphasis on local loyalties and dissension due to religious conflicts.  Superimposed on this was the constant barbarian threat, and the split of the empire between West and East, with the wealthier areas in the East – an East that increasingly thought of itself as a self-contained entity superior to the West. Therefore, the Western Empire spun increasingly out of control.  “Racial degeneration through admixture” need not play a part in any of this.

The author points out that Romans, and then Italians in general, soured on the idea of military service quite early, and were content to let border provincials carry the brunt of the duty, leading to a situation that made the peoples of Italy increasingly unfit as effective soldiers (20th century Italian military disasters can be considered in this light, perhaps – a too-long period of genetic pacification?).  This is more a function of genetic pacification, overcivilized softening with prosperity, and altered social mores, as it is any “racial degeneration through admixture.” The last “Conclusion” chapter of this book sums up the many inter-related problems faced by the Late Western Roman Empire and the (postulated by the author) “inevitability” of its collapse.  

In any case, empires built through conquest (of one form or another) are inherently unstable, and this has nothing to do with “racial admixture.”  The very maintenance of such an empire over time drains its vitality and resources, and degenerates the population (in ways not dependent upon “admixture” but of course admixture may in theory also occur). For example, would anyone seriously expect the Assyrian Empire to still exist today even if we assume the Assyrians maintained strict racial purity?

As regards the various leaders of the late Western Roman Empire, I am sure at least some of them had an at least an implicit understanding that they were just “playing out the string” – doing the best they could under circumstances in which a bad ending was more or less inevitable, doing their duty as long as they could, delaying that inevitable bad ending for as long as possible, going through the motions of empire even when a point was reached that the “Western Roman Empire” was reduced to mainland Italy and Sicily and really not much else. 

There were opportunities to (temporarily, if we assume collapse was “inevitable”) reverse the degeneration before things reached that point; it was unlikely to have saved the empire on a permanent basis, but it could have lasted longer with better decisions, better luck, and less infighting.  By the way, my judgment is that the division of the Roman Empire into Western and Eastern halves was the beginning of the end for the West; even though that grand strategy may have been useful as an expedient when initially devised, ultimately it led to a situation in which the richer and more secure Eastern Roman Empire viewed itself as an independent (and superior) entity, bent on its own preservation at the cost of the Fall of the West.  An integrated empire would have been able to draw on its total strength for defense, and could have lasted longer to ensure a more gradual change to the sort of federated European union that could have been possible between the remnants of the Empire and the more “Romanized” of the “barbarians” – eventually integrating the West as a whole, and letting the more alien parts of the East go its own way.

Let’s consider Nietzsche as the coda here, contrasting his views to Der Movement dogma, emphasis added.

That which stood there aere perennis, the imperium Romanum, the most magnificent form of organization under difficult conditions that has ever been achieved, and compared to which everything before it and after it appears as patchwork, bungling, dilletantism those holy anarchists made it a matter of “piety” to destroy “the world,” which is to say, the imperium Romanum, so that in the end not a stone stood upon another and even Germans and other such louts were able to become its masters.  The Christian and the anarchist: both are decadents; both are incapable of any act that is not disintegrating, poisonous, degenerating, blood sucking ; both have an instinct of mortal hatred of everything that stands up, and is great, and has durability, and promises life a future.  Christianity was the vampire of the imperium Romanum, overnight it destroyed the vast achievement of the Romans: the conquest of the soil for a great culture that could await its time.  Can it be that this fact is not yet understood?  The imperium Romanum that we know, and that the history of the Roman provinces teaches us to know better and better, this most admirable of all works of art in the grand manner was merely the beginning, and the structure to follow was not to prove its worth for thousands of years.  To this day, nothing on a like scale sub specie aeterni has been brought into being, or even dreamed of!  This organization was strong enough to withstand bad emperors: the accident of personality has nothing to do with such things the first principle of all genuinely great architecture.  But it was not strong enough to stand up against the corruptest of all forms of corruption against Christians.  These stealthy worms, which under the cover of night, mist and duplicity, crept upon every individual, sucking him dry of all earnest interest in real things, of all instinct for reality this cowardly, effeminate and sugar coated gang gradually alienated all “souls,” step by step, from that colossal edifice, turning against it all the meritorious, manly and noble natures that had found in the cause of Rome their own cause, their own serious purpose, their own pride.

The whole labour of the ancient world gone for naught: I have no word to describe the feelings that such an enormity arouses in me.  And, considering the fact that its labour was merely preparatory, that with adamantine self consciousness it laid only the foundations for a work to go on for thousands of years, the whole meaning of antiquity disappears!  To what end the Greeks?  To what end the Romans?  All the prerequisites to a learned culture, all the methods of science, were already there; man had already perfected the great and incomparable art of reading profitably that first necessity to the tradition of culture, the unity of the sciences; the natural sciences, in alliance with mathematics and mechanics, were on the right road, the sense of fact, the last and more valuable of all the senses, had its schools, and its traditions were already centuries old!  Is all this properly understood?  Every essential to the beginning of the work was ready: and the most essential, it cannot be said too often, are methods, and also the most difficult to develop, and the longest opposed by habit and laziness.  What we have today reconquered, with unspeakable self discipline, for ourselves for certain bad instincts, certain Christian instincts, still lurk in our bodies that is to say, the keen eye for reality, the cautious hand, patience and seriousness in the smallest things, the whole integrity of knowledge all these things were already there, and had been there for two thousand years!  More, there was also a refined and excellent tact and taste!  Not as mere brain drilling!  Not as “German” culture, with its loutish manners!  But as body, as bearing, as instinct in short, as reality.  All gone for naught!  Overnight it became merely a memory!  The Greeks!  The Romans!  Instinctive nobility, taste, methodical inquiry, genius for organization and administration, faith in and the will to secure the future of man, a great yes to everything entering into the imperium Romanum and palpable to all the senses, a grand style that was beyond mere art, but had become reality, truth, life.  All overwhelmed in a night, but not by a convulsion of nature!  Not trampled to death by Teutons and others of heavy hoof!  But brought to shame by crafty, sneaking, invisible, anaemic vampires!  Not conquered, only sucked dry!  Hidden vengefulness, petty envy, became master!  Everything wretched, intrinsically ailing, and invaded by bad feelings, the whole ghetto world of the soul, was at once on top!