As part of a paen to Nordicist Madison Grant on a typical Alt Right blog, we read some fascinating comments. For example:
Grant was uniting Dutch, Huguenot, Irish, British, Scandinavian, and to a lesser extent, German…
What happened to “ethnonationalism?” It dissipates upon crossing the Atlantic?
Ditch the Irish and emphasize German more than Huguenot, and that’s a good encapsulation of Der Movement’s affirmative action program (or at least who can attend an Alt Right meeting sans all the “extreme vetting”).
Grant’s biographer tells an anecdote that when Italians claimed that non-Nordic Italians were capable of great things, Grant and his colleague Henry Fairfield Osborn declared that Christopher Columbus da Vinci, Galileo, Raphael, Donatello, Botticelli, Petrarch, and Dante were Nordic. Poles Kosciusko and Pulaski were Nordic too.
Oh, yes, of course they were. Each and every one! If it were possible to do genetic testing on those individuals, they’d overlap perfectly with Dolph Lundgren (or Patrik Hermansson). Julius Evola was too! And Michelangelo! And, quite obviously, the fair-complexioned, Celto-Germanic, finely chiseled features of Benito Mussolini reflect a pure Nordic ancestry!
One needs to separate Grant’s concerns about changing American demographics – concerns that were certainly legitimate – from assertions that virtually any Southern or Eastern European that accomplished anything of value was “Nordic.” Even if the all the aforementioned individuals were “Nordic” (which they were not), that would still leave a large number of important Wop/Polack, etc. historical figures who were “Mediterranean” and “Alpine.” Racial and ethnic preservation does not require that every important historical figure belonged to your favorite racial type.
Madison Grant’s writings are surprisingly sympathetic to Northern Italians, who he claimed were Alpines with much Nordic blood.
Like Il Duce! Of course, contra the solipsist fantasies of Muscleman Mangan, Northern Italians were a distinct minority among Italian emigration to the USA, said emigration being something one would presume be of interest to Grant and his followers.
Unless a Pole or Italian’s skull was measured by calipers by an expert, they could plausibly claim to be of Nordic heritage.
Since both “Nordics” and “Mediterraneans” are equally “dolichocephalic” I fail to see how the Der Movement Caliper Test would be of any use here for the Wops. The Polacks maybe – but, really, are even long-headed Italians and Poles really considered akin to Swedes? Would they get free access to all those (strictly secret!) Alt Right meetings, for example? Would a greasy swarthoid Wop or gook-eyed Polack be considered “Nordic” even if they passed this caliper test?
Madison Grant’s theories of three races of Europe have been altered by science because new discoveries related to DNA. The data related to race is now organized in a different way, but not too different from Grant. The following article describes three “races” in Europe…
Another outright “movement” lie, hoping that people won’t actually read the article, which contains statements like this:
Two years ago, Reich’s group uncovered genetic evidence that most present-day Europeans are a mixture of groups related to southern Europeans, Near Easterners, and a third group most closely related to Native Americans. “That was a crazy observation, but it’s very strong statistically,” Reich says. “We argued that this is because of the contribution of an ancient north Eurasian population some of whose members contributed to the peopling of the Americas more than 15,000 years ago, and others of which later migrated to Europe.”
That’s “not too different” from Grant? Are you mad? Or just another typical fundamentally dishonest Der Movement apparatchik? This does not mean we need to agree with the interpretations of Reich (or of the article itself, and whether or not the article actually accurately describes Reich’s findings) – that’s not the point. The point is that the article’s conclusions do not support the contention of the Counter-Currents post. It’s as ludicrous as AltRight.com fetishists pointing at recent Ancient Egyptian DNA evidence – showing a Near Eastern genetic background with a Negro minority admixture – and stating that those findings “prove Arthur Kemp right” – when Kemp instead promotes the idea of Ancient Egypt as a “Nordic desert empire.” Der Movement is literally the dictionary definition of the phrase “fundamentally dishonest.”
…Grant was a scientist – not a pseudoscientist. He was conducting research experiments that were repeatable, and they adhered to the scientific method.
Please explain this. What’s repeatable? What “research experiments” were being conducted? Hint: discussing historical events or expressing opinions about the relative merits of ethnies – even if those opinions turn out to be absolutely correct – is not “conducting repeatable research experiments.” More evidence that the Alt Right knows absolute zero about scientific research, what it actually is, and how it is “conducted.” What do you expect from a “movement” that confuses solipsism with reality?
For those who believe the “whites and Asians” as allies meme, I offer this quote from our wise past elders. The Asians haven’t necessary bought into “whites and Asians” are allies idea. I even believe that the “higher” IQ of Asians is also largely a myth.
But we should all still embrace Derbyshire, HBD, and the Alt Wrong.
While David Hackett Fischer treats the Quaker and German/Pennsylvania Dutch settlers with great reverence, Madison Grant writes about them quite coldly. Grant argues that the Germans of the American Midlands were Alpines whose clannish ways made them an impediment to national unity. Grant could have extensively covered the extensive Irish (but Nordic) pathologies manifest throughout the 19th century, but we see here how current events can cloud the minds of the most scientific and unsentimental of white advocates. Madison Grant lived at a time when his Patrician Class collogues were strangely in favor of American intervention in World War I against Germany. As a result, he exaggerates Midwestern German differences.
First, what is a “collogue” as a noun rather than as a verb? Second, all this talk of the Irish as “Nordic” would come as a surprise to Grant’s associate Stoddard who, as I recall, made a big deal about alleged “Mediterranean” elements in the Irish population. Third, and most important, note that when Der Movement has to deal with Grant being “cold” to Germans (blasphemy!) excuses need to be made. “Current events” clouded the mind of this “scientific” activist. Can’t we then say the same about other issues: the large influx of Southern and Eastern European immigrants “clouded” Grant’s mind and led him to “exaggerate” White ethnic differences. What’s good for the Kraut goose should be good for the Wop/Polack gander, no?
Der Movement, at least its American branch, hasn’t generated a genuinely new idea since WWII apart from those of Yockey, and Der Movement (including Yockey worshippers and peddlers of cheap kitsch like “Yockey commemorative plates” – something an elitist like Yockey would no doubt despise) essentially dismisses and rejects Yockey’s chief idea. I don’t know: probably Yockey would be more interested about whether someone agreed with his Imperium idea rather than whether they were hawking plates with his likeness on them. How about a Francis Parker Yockey Commemorative Tin Cup? More appropriate, I think.
And what would well-educated patricians like Grant and Stoddard think of the Alt Right, clowns yelling about “Pepe” and “Kek” and milling around in the streets like rejects from a cosplay convention? Tell me again about how superior “White nationalism 2.0” is compared to “White nationalism 1.0.” Seems much the same to me, except version 2.0 has better street activism, worse “optics,” and more shameless panhandling.