Category: mainstreaming

Who Has Been Right?

Who’s been mostly right?

Let’s get one thing out of the way: Der Movement was right about Trump’s chances of winning and I was wrong.  Now that we got that one aberrant item out of the way, let’s get to the “meat” of the issue.

Der Movement invested an enormous amount of intellectual and moral capital in Donald Trump the man, labeled “the last chance of White America” aka the “God Emperor” who is going to save us from demographic displacement. Someone else – who might that be? – clearly asserted that Trump is a vulgar, ignorant buffoon, a pro-Jewish and pro-Negro cuck, who is not worthy of the breathless onanistic support of racial activists.  Unlike Der Movement and its slavish hero worship and Man on White Horse Syndrome obsessions, I made a clear distinction between Trump the man – a disaster – and Trump the campaign, Trump the movement, Trump the right-wing populist.  I made clear that the only real reason to support Touchback Trump was the perception – not reality, but perception – that Trump is a “racist fascist” thus inducing racial chaos and balkanization in America.

The outcome?  Trump has been constantly cucking, betraying his base, but, because of leftist hysteria and perceptions, political violence and chaos has skyrocketed.  Sallis right, Der Movement wrong.

I also made the point that Trump’s supporters were more important than Trump himself – and, yes, we see Trump’s supporters battling leftist thugs in the streets while Trump himself wimps out on a constant basis.  Sallis correct once again.

I have been warning about Silk Road White nationalism and the trend of Asians pimping out their women to pathetic beta activists in order to further Asian racial agendas.  Lo and behold we have Chinese “maidens” and Japanese “shady ladies” infiltrating and subverting White nationalist blogs. Surprise!

[We can ask how these “shady ladies” find the time to not only run their own Asian supremacist blog, but also leave long and rambling posts in the AltRightosphere.  Do they have a (White) sugar daddy supporting them? Spoiled rich kid living off daddy’s money? Or, perhaps, just like the Russian government is said to pay Internet trolls, China does the same?]

I warned against the Alt Lite/Alt Wrong, and was very sharp toward the Alt Right because of the Alt Right’s “big tent” embrace of the aforementioned elements. Then we saw the Alt Lite/Alt Wrong throw Spencer under the bus, re: Hailgate and chuckle with the Jewish friends, giving consolation to Jews that “Spencer is likely to get shot.”  Absolutely disgusting – Brimelow and Derbyshire leading the list of speakers.  Do you need any more indication on why the Alt Wrong is wrong?

Back online in the very early 2000s, I was critical of the clownshow of the National Alliance even before Pierce died, and we see the utter collapse of the organization since then.

I was sharply critical of Marine Le Pen and mainstreaming and we saw Le Pen go down to a catastrophic loss, and mainstreaming also lost in The Netherlands, Austria, and Australia. Der Movement, on the other hand, exhibited delusions about Le Pen and are still pontificating about “how well” Le Pen actually did, even after her shocking “blow out loss.” Sallis right, Der Movement wrong.

This is a question of judgement.  Who, dear reader, do you trust? Should you trust? Will you trust?

Mainstreaming R.I.P.

It is time to move on from mainstreaming.  It is time to move on from a failed “movement.”

Her Majesty, the Imperial Milady Marine of Mainstreaming, has fallen.  Will we see any honest analysis of this disaster?  Doubtful, other than here at EGI Notes.

If mainstreaming worked, we would still have to debate whether the compromises and moderation is all worth it.  But here’s the point: It doesn’t work. Once again, to be clear: Mainstreaming does not work.

Moderating Marine has achieved nothing more, electorally speaking, than her more radical father (who she denounced) did.  So, what’s the point?  Look at Austria, look at the Netherlands, look at Australia, there’s no payoff. “Where’s the beef,” so to speak?  Where’s the advantage?  Golden Dawn is not in power in Greece; the Front National is not in power in France.  They are equally not in power.  Perhaps both models need revision?

If mainstreamers justify their strategy by the possibility of electoral success, and if mainstreamers continuously fail, then why is mainstreaming still considered legitimate? Why? Yes, I can see that it may make theoretical sense, at least to those amenable to (at least temporary) compromise.  But political theory must be judged, ultimately, in how it is actualized in the laboratory of real world experience.  One forms a hypothesis and tests it. According to Popper, if the data show the hypothesis to be wrong, it should be abandoned. Perhaps the situation is more akin to Kuhn and paradigm shifts.  Activists with an intellectual and emotional investment in mainstreaming will continue to create ad hoc explanations for its failures, and resist rejection of their theory/hypothesis.  Eventually though, the sheer volume of contradictory data, combined with the rise of new activists unencumbered by adherence to failed ideas, will shift the worldview, and a realization of the emptiness of mainstreaming will occur, and a new paradigm, more hard and radical, will take its place.

Perhaps that will happen.  But the time!  The time!  Can we waste so much time with people ignoring the facts right in front of their face?

I have previously written about the phenomenon of faux-sophistication, and we may be seeing some of that with the adherents of mainstreaming.  

A clear example of this psychological flaw is seen in sports.  Sportswriters and other so-called “experts” endlessly pontificate about the values and virtue of “defense” – so as to contrast their “sophisticated expertise” and “refined tastes” from the “crude” casual fans who, presumably, enjoy lots of offense, action, and scoring.  Thus, the “expert” sniffs: “[fill in name of sport] is 90% defense.” Well, from a logical standpoint, that’s nonsense – games are won by the team that scores the most points, goals, runs, etc.; therefore, scoring and preventing scoring are of equal value and hence any team sport is going to be, in general, 50% offense and 50% defense.  But let’s not let logic and common sense get in the way of preening expertise!

The same applies to politics.  Hillary Clinton’s campaign foundered in part because of snarky millennials and their “data” and “expert” advice to concentrate on “turning out the base” –in sharp contrast to Bill Clinton’s ignored advice to throw a bone or two at the Rust Belt White working class.  

Meanwhile, on the Far Right, the “experts” sniff with disdain at radicals who insist on such outdated concepts as non-negotiable fundamental principles, and instead these heroic “experts” extol the virtue of compromise and moderation.  And they keep on losing, over and over and over again. But they know better you see.  And by taking positions that contrast to all those knuckle-dragging radical extremists, these “experts” seem like real smart and professional and polished and all.  They keep on losing, but they lose with style!

Some would argue that I’m being “premature” and we need to be patient and give mainstreaming more time to succeed.  At what point does this patience move from prudent circumspection to blind adherence to a failed hypothesis? Marine Le Pen was the clearest test of mainstreaming so far, and the test was failed like all that preceded it.  I’m not sure repeating the same over and over again is going to yield significantly different results. That she did better than her father with respect to percentages, but still failed – is this progress? Perhaps the assertion that the Front National has attracted more youthful supporters than before will be accredited to mainstreaming.  But, putting aside that Le Pen still failed, we can ask – are youth really attracted by mainstreaming and moderation? That’s doubtful.  Yes, they may want more “liberal” social mores, but the key issues of race and immigration, and sovereignty, are what motivates most Front National supporters, and with respect to those key issues I’m doubtful that high-spirited and energetic youth, some of whom are involved in the Identitiarian movement, are really looking for mainstreaming and moderation.  In the end, despite whatever the youth wants, the bottom line is, again, that Le Pen failed. Mainstreaming failed (again), big time.

“Farstreaming” has in fact been more successful.  Sometimes politicians can be more successful being more radical.  That may be context-dependent, but it is clear that “moving to the center” simply hasn’t worked.

If we can agree on that, then we can start the process of formulating alternatives.  Activists need to stop listening to memes that sound good in theory but consistently fail in practice.

A counter-argument will be that radicalism hasn’t worked either.  But what kind of radicalism?  Yes, Nutzi stupidities haven’t worked, I agree.  Historical Nazism brought back in the post-war period hasn’t worked, warmed-over Guntherism (i.e., 99% of “movement” dogma) hasn’t worked, esoteric silliness about “Kali Yuga” and “the men who can’t tell time” hasn’t worked,” and breathless navel-gazing over cephalic indices and fractional admixture percentages hasn’t worked either.

But has anyone tried to formulate EGI/universal nationalism into practical politics?  No.  Has anyone tried to combine radical policy positions with rational and professional rhetoric and a polished presentation?  No.  It’s either been mainstreaming compromise or foaming-at-the-mouth Nutzism.  

The mainstreamers can run but they can’t hide. The French election was not only a catastrophic defeat for nationalism, but it should completely undermine confidence in the mainstreaming fraud. Let’s all sit back and watch the show, the mainstreamers spinning their endless stream of defeats, rewriting history (“We always said Le Pen had no chance of winning!” or “We never were in any way invested in a Le Pen victory!”  or whatever other lie), the mainstreamers moving on to the next election including the next French election (“Hey! We never said that 2017 was the last chance to save France and Europe through the electoral process!”), Der Movement giving the mainstreamers a “free pass” and forgetting their endless stream of bad advice, poor judgment, and catastrophic defeats.

Or will a miracle occur and the mainstreamers admit they are wrong and gracefully bow out and make way for others who don’t pretend they know everything and who want to take an empirical approach to determine, and then utilize, what actually works?

It is up to you, dear reader, to demand change and leave a failed “movement” in the dustbin of history, where it belongs.  I take it endless failure doesn’t appeal to you?  

Murros on Le Pen

Speaking the truth.

See here, emphasis added:

I have the greatest respect for Marine Le Pen. However, I am afraid she is fighting a losing battle. Current populist parties in Europe are only the first wave of nationalism. These parties still operate within the framework of liberal democracy — and often the activists in these parties actually believe that they can change things by playing according to the rules set by the enemy and while society at large is vehemently against them.

The parties of the first wave of nationalism do not challenge the very concept of liberal democracy (for practical reasons this is, of course, perfectly understandable). Also, these parties seldom challenge the prevailing paradigm of modern economics and therefore they do not challenge globalization as such either. Marine Le Pen, however, is a refreshing exception to this and deserves our respect for it.

The parties of the first wave of nationalism often represent the attitude of “business as usual but without the immigrants” or “business as usual and only those immigrants who work [serve us with low pay]”. The parties of the first wave of nationalism often reflect middle-class egoism and bourgeois social opportunism. Unable to grasp the true causes and effects of globalization, these parties often descend into reactionary “conservativism” complemented with economic liberalism and in the worst cases to outright anti-nation state libertarianism.

Marine Le Pen is, thankfully, free from this ideological blindness but as a representative of the first wave of nationalism she can never be radical enough. What Marine Le Pen is lacking is what the Germans call “Wille zur Macht”, the will to power.

However, what Marine Le Pen and the parties of the first wave of nationalism are doing is that they are resurrecting ethnic nationalism, making it culturally acceptable and helping to transform it from an undercurrent to mainstream – racism will be the new black. The radical left is absolutely right; you should never give a platform to nationalists – but this socio-economic/cultural process is beyond anyone’s control and the material forces in history also make it unstoppable.

The second wave of nationalism would be impossible without the Great Paradigm Shift – Marine Le Pen and the first wave of nationalism are indispensable for this shift. The second wave of nationalism is then ruthlessly radical and aims at nothing less than a total destruction of the liberal capitalist system. The violent and totalitarian nature of the second wave of nationalism simply wouldn’t wash without the masses being already conditioned to it by the Great Paradigm Shift.

For a serious political movement to reach the pinnacle of power always requires the collapse of the economy – already nicely under way – and the ensuing revolution/civil war. Islam is the new communism, the fear of which will pave the way for nationalists to absolute power. This unpalatable truth is, no doubt, too much for Marine Le Pen to digest. Therefore, FN is not a revolutionary party and has no chance of achieving even a fraction of what it promises to people. The second wave of nationalism then finally delivers.

The Farstreaming Problem

The (partially) failed counterpart to mainstreaming.

I have long been an opponent of the concept of mainstreaming in politics, generally defined as radical political elements moderating their beliefs and rhetoric to move to the center and gain votes for electoral success; in rightist terms, it means moderation of the Far Right to a more centrist orientation with the objective of electoral victory.

Mainstreaming has been for the most part practiced by nationalists in Western Europe (and the Anglosphere, such as Australia) and has exhibited a virtually unbroken record of dismal failure.  Its next test will be this year’s electoral quest of Marine Le Pen. If she is, against all odds elected, and if elected actually enacts useful policies, then mainstreaming will have been partially – not completely – vindicated, and shown to have some limited utility in specific contexts.  If, however, she fails, then any reasonable person may conclude that mainstreaming has been, or should be, completely discredited (at least for the foreseeable future, and, hopefully, permanently). Mainstreaming fails for many reasons, foremost in that the mainstreamers adopt views centrist enough so they can be co-opted by the Establishment Center-Right, while at the same time the mainstreamers are still smeared by the System as “extremists” – leading rightist voters to gravitate to the “safe” choice – the Center-Right.  Furthermore, mainstreaming strikes principled people as dishonest, dishonorable, and cowardly, which, combined with its history of continued failure, makes its adherents seem both of questionable intelligence as well as of questionable character.

But there is a mirror image of mainstreaming that I term “farstreaming” – those at the center moving toward the political fringes in order to exploit populist political niche space and thus ensure electoral success. Sometimes moving to the center is not the key to success, sometimes the voters want more “red meat.”  Particularly in situations where such “red meat” is lacking, or is viewed as too extreme or too disorganized for success, opportunities exist for moderates to reinvent themselves as ”radicals.”  From the rightist perspective, this would be men (and women) of the Center-Right moving toward a Hard Right, if not Far Right, direction, and espousing nationalist-populist viewpoints.  

I’ve previously discussed how the Trump campaign in America was not mainstreaming; actually, it is a textbook case of farstreaming, as Trump adopted rhetoric and positions far to the right of his previously stated opinions on those subjects.  After all, in 2012, Trump criticized Mitt Romney’s entirely reasonable self-deportation idea, while in 2016 Trump moved so far to the right on the immigration issue he had the Alt Right behaving like a bunch of hysterical besotted schoolgirls. Trump’s populism led to electoral success, and now we see the inevitable outcome: betraying his base as he moves back to the center and flip-flops on many of the issues that attracted that base to begin with.

Hence, one major danger in farstreaming – the farstreamers are as dishonest as the mainstreamers, albeit in the opposite direction, and, lacking any deep personal and philosophical connection to their recently adopted positions, they are primed to betray those positions and fall back toward the center at the earliest opportunity.

A more encouraging example of farstreaming is Orban in Hungary, who has so far not betrayed his base and stayed true to his rhetoric (to a point, and I’ve criticized Orban at this blog for his half-way measures).  Point is, Orban was never a Nutzi-turned-moderate; indeed, his Fidesz party was originally libertarian and quite centrist.  The difference in Hungary is that Orban has a credible political threat to his right in Jobbik; the Hungarian people are more nationalist than are (White) Americans, and Orban must be aware that if he cucked like Trump his political support would crater. Thus, the nationalist trends in Hungarian politics and society, represented by Jobbik, exert a political gravitational pull on Orban to the right.  In America, candidate Trump was as rightward as any credible political candidate has been in recent times; with no political threat on his right, Trump feels comfortable in cucking to the center.  The empty rightist political niche space thus emptied needs to be filled with genuine nationalist-populists, who should then move the political window even further right into explicitly pro-White politics.

In summary, both mainstreaming and farstreaming are long-term dead ends for our cause; even in Hungary it is unstable long-term.  Either the Hungarian Far-Right will achieve greater success or they will eventually fade; if the former, farstreamers will be superfluous, if the latter, farstreaming will lose relevance and Orban and his types will move toward the center.  The other possibility is that the Hungarian Far Right mainstreams and becomes indistinguishable from Fidesz, at which point, farstreaming will lose relevance as well.

We need genuine ethnoracial nationalist politics.

Another Mainstreaming Fail, 3/16/17

Another fail.

The Mainstreaming Far-Right (MFR) has failed again, spectacularly crashing and burning in the recent Dutch election, to the joy of globalists and leftists and to the gloom and doom of naive “movementers” and their breathless anticipation of another “victory.”

A summary is here.

What broke Wilders was an attack from both the right and the left. On the right, Wilders had to deal with the VVD saber rattling at Turkey and signaling hard against immigration. On the left, Wilders had to deal with panicked media coverage trying to scare the voters by declaring a PVV victory would mean the end of the EU and a Continent in chaos.

Note that the MFR fails in the following manner: on the one hand, by moving toward the center, the MFR is vulnerable to having their positions co-opted by the Mainstream Right. On the other hand (ironically or paradoxically), the moderating MFR is accused of being “extremist” by both the Left and Mainstream Right.  So, the MFR doubly fails – by failing to distinguish itself from the Mainstream Right while at the same time still being labeled as nutty extremists who must be eschewed.  The solution is to be leaders and not followers – instead of compromising their beliefs in order to follow mindless and conformist voters to the center, the Far-Right needs to stand for uncompromising principles and move the voters in their direction, a movement made more possible by the rapidly declining racial and cultural situation for Whites worldwide.  The Far-Right needs to clearly distinguish itself from the Mainstream Right, to an extent that makes it impossible for the Mainstream Right to co-opt the positions.  If the Far-Right is going to be labeled as extremists and lose elections, then they may as well do so with a distinct ideological position, so that any future electoral gains and successes can be clearly seen as a validation of the Far-Right approach.  All else is folly.  The MFR approach certainly hasn’t worked in Western Europe.  And in the east, one can argue that, by Western European standards, Orban is more “extreme” than Wilders or Le Pen, and I’ve already argued that in the ultra-cucked American Right, Trump cannot be seen as a mainstreamer either.  The clearest examples of mainstreaming – the real test cases – have been in Western Europe, and they have failed, failed, and failed again.  All their pandering to civic nationalism has not helped them.  All their denunciations of Golden Dawn, and support for the Greek Far-left, hasn’t helped them.  All their “throwing the Nutzis under the bus” hasn’t helped them either.

I am refraining from personally attacking leading “movement” supporters of mainstreaming, but I note that they never admit when they are wrong.  The upcoming French election is their last chance for credibility.  Le Pen wins the second round and comes to power, all well and good.  I’ll stand corrected, and maybe mainstreaming – as a means and never as an end – has some legitimacy, at least in Western Europe.  But if Le Pen fails, then enough is enough.  The whole point of mainstreaming is “electoral success so something can be done” – if they can’t achieve what is the whole purpose of their strategy, then it should be consigned to the dustbin of history.

And as regards arguments that speech restrictions make a more extreme approach impossible in (Western) Europe – well, I’ve been consistent in arguing that free speech has to a pivotal plank in a Far-Right platform, up there with immigration.  I’ve been ignored about that as well.  Happy losing, Western European “Far-Rightists.”

Light From the East?

A little bit too naive.

Read this. I support most of the points of the article, but the author is perhaps a bit naive about Der Movement in “the West” so some mild fisking is required.

So what is Eastern Europe? In short, it is the last refuge of a living European tradition. It is the place where the unbroken, centuries-long line of a healthy national development has been able to survive in the consciousness of the people. If there is a place in Europe where all the golden eras of our civilization still can be felt, even merging with the current technological age and giving ground for a hope that new achievements — new European achievements — can be made, untainted by destructive impulses of Leftist liberalism, it is Eastern Europe, having survived the Communist years and showing promise of surviving even more vicious strains of the same ideology.

Kaalep perhaps is not aware that Der Movement, especially in the Anglosphere, generally has a low opinion of Eastern Europeans. Sure, they are considered better than Southern Europeans, but that’s a “left-handed compliment” if ever there was one. Native Southern Europeans are, after all, quite obviously the lowest form of racial stock on Earth, far inferior than even sub-Saharan Africans, Australian aboriginals, and Papuans. Anything is better than that. That doesn’t mean Eastern Europeans are actually taken seriously as being of true worth by the majestic heroes of Der Movement.

Low birth rates can be tackled and ultimately reversed by nationalist demographic policies. For example, there are the policies proposed by the Conservative People’s Party of Estonia (EKRE) that I helped to draft. First, parents would be rewarded with exemptions from income tax and extra retirement pay, which would increase with every child they raise. Second, if a young family is stuck in debt buying a home, the state would pay off one fourth of their mortgage for each child born. Third, the state must guarantee a place in kindergarten and school for each child, partly covering the educational costs. If young European children start to be valued on the governmental level, the continuation of our people will no longer be under a question mark.


Those are actually all great ideas. I wonder if Der Movement in the Anglosphere, and in non-Anglo Western European nations, is paying attention. Note to Der Heroes: eventually you need to stop agonizing over your calipers and racial histories, your Kali Yugas and Men Who can’t Tell Time, your “admixture percentages” and esoteric Evola-ism, and start paying attention to the real needs of real people, particularly when those needs overlap with real racial interests, such as pro-natal policies.

While our frontline against non-European invasion and liberal brainwashing runs across the border of Hungary…


Hungary? Will Mainstreaming Orban stop throwing WNs over his chicken-wire fence?

But we can also build a safe hub for Alt Right ideas to be freely exchanged, polished, and mirrored back to the West.

Like in Hungary, under Durocher’s Great God of Mainstreaming, Chicken-Wire Vik, who cancelled the NPI conference and unceremoniously booted Spencer out of the country? The same Hungary that is pressing charges against a poor native woman defending herself against migrant scum (“don’t kick at the brown darlings”)?

Ethnonationalism does not mean revisiting the historical conflicts between different European nations. On the contrary, facing a civilizational threat from outside Europe, nationalists can unite under their common European identity and find peaceful ways to solve those conflicts of the past. If there is a place in the world where this is possible, it must be Eastern Europe. There are already signs of relaxation between historical enemies such as Hungarian and Romanian, Polish and Lithuanian nationalists.


Any concrete evidence of said relaxation?