Category: Mussolini

Another Answer to Retardation

He may as well talk to the wind for all the good it will do.

As regards this issue, see the comment below. I don’t agree with every detail, but the main thrust is generally in accord with my views, and the points to which I agree with most are highlighted. I am not correcting the various errors of writing or formatting; those are minor issues of no great relevance to the main themes of the comment.

GrandioseNationalist
Posted July 11, 2019 at 4:03 pm | Permalink
Another Nordicist who tries to “preach” us about history. This thing never ends; always trying to find artificial excuses to undermine Southern European contribution to Europe and further divide Europeans based on some outdated ideology. There’s a reason why the Star Systems and planets have Greek and Roman names and not Norse ones. See now how we’ve engaged in this fruitless debate that only serves our demise?
Furthermore all White Nationalists have to keep in mind a few things:
a) It’s not Greeks that have Turkish DNA but instead it’s the Turks that have Greek ancestry (along with other ethnic backgrounds). There is virtually no research or proof that shows that Greeks have Turkic ancestry. All racially mixed offsprings were either absorbed into the Turkish society or the Christian Orthodox women would commit suicide or murdered and shunned by their families before having kids with the “Muslim Oppressor”.
b) The Ancient Greeks had this ancient motto knows as “pas mi Hellen varvaros” which means “all non-Hellenes are barbarians”. Although there were some exception among the lines of the Persian, Celtic, and Roman kindred, Greeks shared an equal hatred even for each other (Spartans vs Athenians, etc.). Alexander was no exception, as the man who civilized the East.
c) Nordicist ideology has contaminated our tenets for more than a century and has only served to divide and conquer us, by placing basis on an abstract sub-racial division. There are Nordics common in all European nations just as there are Meds in Britain and Ireland.

c) Although not directly related to this article, it is vital to acknowledge that Pan-Europeanism is our only way out. When the Southern States, Southern And Northern Europe get overrun by migrants we ‘re gonna have to unite in a way that has never been done before. The US showed that White intermixia and nationhood is perfectly feasible and desirable if we proceed carefully step by step to that direction (that has already been happening for centuries now; look at us for example). It sure as hell didn’t lead to chaos and anarchy as some Ethnonationalists would wish. Now I’m saying this as someone who is of pure ethnic stock and has reached to that conclusion after lots of consideration and the studying of history.

The SYSTEM doesn’t give a penny or two about whether you’re Anglo-Celtic, Greek, Nordic, or what. All they see is a White person, and they attack our Whiteness because that’s the essence of our identity.

NATIONALISM is evolutionary: it extends for the POLIS to the REGION to the COUNTRY and eventually to the WHOLE RACE. By simply making a regression to these patterns would mean to be forced to repeat this endless loop of factricidal war and foreign infiltration. The Athenians would’ve objected to be united with the Spartans under the “generic definition” of the Greek, and they’d want to keep their “individual differences and have their separate ways”. Now that Greece is united, do you see any war between the two? Now they’re just Greeks and nothing else.

In less then two centuries time we’ll see the salvation of the White Race come to fruition under a life-saving fusion of all those who are Called Europeans akin to that in the US; under a centralized transcontinental state . Think on that.

The major problem with this well-meaning fellow is that he is wasting his time. He may as well talk to the wind for all the good it will do; he’ll get more of a useful response if he was addressing a pile of bricks.

It doesn’t matter that there is no evidence supporting the Counter-Currents viewpoint, it doesn’t matter that ancient DNA studies have so far refuted Kemp, none of that matters. When you are dealing with blind religious faith, facts do not matter and logic does not matter.  There is no place in Der Movement for pan-Europeanists, just as there is no place for Southern and Eastern Europeans. The Type Is have always had a stranglehold on control of the American “movement” and they will continue to hold on; if you want change, you’ll have to do it yourself by contributing to the formation of a new, alternative racial nationalist structure, a Type II-led movement.

I want to comment on this picture, much beloved by Nordicists. By modern phenotypic standards, we may say, subjectively, that Terentius Nero had an atypical phenotype. Very well.  So what?  That’s not evidence supporting that he was not of indigenous stock.  We do not know the range of indigenous phenotypes of ancient Italy.  For all we know, Nero’s phenotype  may have been common, at least among those of plebian stock, and may reflect Neolithic farmer ancestry. On the other hand, maybe he did have non-indigenous ancestry. Can you know any of that by looking at that one picture?  It’s not as if he looked like a Negro, a Chinaman, or David “Chopsticks” Bromstad, for example.

If you want to play the (frankly stupid) game of using single pictures to make snap judgments about an entire ethny, nation, people, or race, then what about this?  The ancient peoples of Italy were brown-skinned with black curly hair! Terentius the Etruscan!

This is the young Benito Mussolini, a representative of a people – Northern Italians – that Der Movement likes to tell us (absurdly) are “Celto-Germanic Nordics.” Judging by that picture, the typical Northern Italian male looks like the younger brother of General Mapache from The Wild Bunch.

By the standards of “one picture to judge a people,” I won’t get into what the Bromstad family, or Bjork, may tell us about Northern Germanics.

Meanwhile, on a completely different (of course!) matter, I’m working on a post or posts in which I am going to admit that Sallis was wrong about an issue concerning the “movement,” in contrast to certain academic types who were right.  Stay tuned!

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Misleading Immigration Study, HBD, Alt Right Grifters, Italian Cucks, Mason Paternity, Etc.

In der news.  Emphasis added.

While Unz should be happy about this, in reality it is misleading nonsense for several reasons:

1.  With respect to illegal aliens, as the name implies, their very presence in this country is a violation of law, so they have a “criminal rate” of 100%, which is higher than that of any grouping of natives (even Blacks, believe it or not).

2. Comparing immigrants to natives is misleading from a racial basis. How about comparing immigrants to White Americans?  How about comparing immigrants to Black “Americans?” Hispanic “Americans?” And, I suppose Asians and Jews as well.  Let’s have the full data.

3. If you want to know the full impact of immigration on crime, you cannot stop the analysis with the immigrants themselves, but we must consider their descendants.  What does the next generation look like?

4. Most important of all, the immigration problem is not really about crime, or “the economy,” or any other such thing, but the genetic and cultural displacement and replacement of native populations.  Let’s assume that immigrants really have lower crime rates.  Very well.  I suppose then we can lower crime in America by replacing the entire native population with immigrants. That would lower the crime rate real well.  And the natives benefit how, by that?

5. By the way, although immigration will eventually replace the native population, given carrying capacity and differential birthrates, etc. – the immediate situation, at the national level, is not so much replacement as mere addition.  So, even if the crime rate among (legal) immigrants is a bit lower, we are adding that population, and all of its criminal element, to that of natives, are we not?  And what about at the city level?  If you argue that increased immigration into a city is lowering the crime rate, you logically imply that the immigrants are replacing natives (who are being pushed out) – supporting the “replacement narrative.”  You can’t have it both ways.  If immigrants are actually lowering crime in an area, rather than just adding criminals at a slightly lower rate, then population replacement is occurring.  Or do you claim that immigrants increase total crime, but that the rate is less per capita?  Which is it?

Zman:

I’ve also been asked by other content creators to join the merchant right, because it helps reinforce the notion that a culture war is not won on love. It takes money to run these sites and many of the people doing it have no other way to make a living. 

Let’s translate that:

I’ve also been asked by Alt Right grifters who live off of “D’Nations” to join them in their parasitical lifestyle, because when folks like me offer free content, it makes the tin cup panhandlers look bad.  If everyone is out for the shekels, then no one stands out as a money-grubbing useless exploiter of the rank-and-file.  It takes money to run these sites – except for the people who somehow do it for nothing – and many of the people doing it have no other way to make a living, which is precisely why they are doing it in the first place.

A HBD commentator writes:

Puzzled by this blind acceptance of natural selection. While it seems logical that the fittest will survive to reproduce, just take a look at our species. Do the fittest have the most children?

Excuse me, idiot, but since “fitness” in biological terms means genetic representation in the next generation, and not any of the proximate traits that HBDers and Nutzis hyperventilate over, then, yes, by definition, the “fittest” will have the most children (who survive and themselves reproduce).  Having the most children is what makes them “fit.” If you want to make criticisms about circular reasoning, fine, that can be debated among philosophers of scientific discourse, but please stop with the ignorant drivel on how “natural selection is wrong because stupid and useless people have more children.” That’s not how it works.

Welcome to Asia.

Welcome to MGTOW.

Italian cucks.

While the anti-Jewish laws of 1938 had been “a mistake, a shame”…

Based Caio!

More recently Matteo Salvini, leader of the League and Italy’s interior minister, has said that “a lot of things got done” under Italy’s Fascist government, hailing Mussolini’s infrastructure projects and pension system while dismissing his race laws as “madness”.

Based Salvini!  Cuckadoodledoo!  Note picture at bottom.  Dem dere Viking Northern Italians.  The ultimate Nordic phenotype exemplified in that photo.

Based Italy!

Cucked by a Jew?

Mrs Mason’s had insisted that each son should have a Jewish middle name and her former husband, who now lives with his new wife in Rhos, North Wales, believes this detail could provide a clue to the biological father’s identity.

Now, for the infertile Mason, the damage was emotional and financial.  But imagine a fertile man who is tricked into raising another man’s children, while actually having none of his own. That is murder of his genetic continuity; in my opinion, any woman guilty of deceiving about paternity should be subject to the death penalty. The biological father cuckolder should also be subject to that ultimate sanction if he was a willing participant in the deception (however,it is always possible that the woman tricked him into believing she was unmarried and he may not know he fathered a child).

Nice woman, eh?  Joan of Arc, eh Greg?

The yeastbuckets are all the same. All “fathers” should genetically test their paternity one way or another. And while 23andMe tests stink for ancestry, they do chromosome matching, so they can be used to confirm paternity if you want to do it in a more indirect, discreet fashion. Indeed, for any SJW polities that outlaw paternity testing, men should see if 23andMe is still available.  If the child is yours, you’ll match 50% of chromosomes – if that match does not occur, get a good lawyer, my friends.

IQ in the military in Vietnam.

Nazi ideology trumped military practicality.  Note Japanese betrayal with respect to the USSR (remember my debate with “Kumiko” about that – Sallis right, once again).

Well, who would do better?  Brimelow?

Der Movement Marches On

More wreckage.

Whatever you want to say about Taleb, he’s at least forcing the Alt Wrong HBD fetishists to defend their premises – for the first time, in, well, forever.

Apparently, those 23ndMe results have real world consequences.

A bit behind the times:

December 2018.

August 2017.

Never fear – given enough time, Der Movement belatedly realizes, promotes, or understands many of the points raised here months or years earlier.

Does the taint of Arktos prevent book reviews?

Vincere Arkadin
Posted December 26, 2018 at 5:27 am | Permalink
What about Bolton’s Yockey bio? Did you read it by chance?

Greg Johnson

Posted December 26, 2018 at 5:37 am | Permalink
I have not been able to read it.

A Type II review is here.

Meanwhile, Johnson is now a writer for the Jewish-HBD Unz site.  Zman would be proud. Is this a paid position?  After all, moneybags Ron usually pays his writers.  Does Greg believe that Unz should be “driven out of White society” as he has stated for Jews in general?  Pay close attention, goys, pay close attention.

The young Pirandello.

The young Mussolini.

More examples for the “movement” cherry pickers:

Giovanni Gentile.

In phenotypic contrast, Lega Nord politician Maroni, born in Varese, Lombardy.  Undoubtedly, a Celt-Germanic Nordic.  As Roissy commentators assert – “geography matters in Italy, like a lot.”

For Greg Conte – an Italian politician of Calabrian ancestry.  Another purebred mountain wop, no doubt. Arya…arya….

Go away, Parrott.

This is the future you choose for your children when you mumble on with your excuses and reservations.
Yes, it’s worth some people getting doxxed, fired, and arrested over. It’s a real struggle, not an internet hobby.

Rewritten:

This is the future you choose for your children when you tolerate outrageously incompetent quota queens, freakshows, and online grifters.
Yes, it’s worth some “movement leaders” being mocked and ridiculed. It’s a real struggle, not a panhandling scheme for people who want to live off of follower’s donations.

Der movement marches on.  The voices of WN 3.0?  Say it aint’ so!  Let’s see now.  Trolling, “shitposting,” and generalized juvenile jackassery: all WN 2.0 activities.  Another fail.  Is Greg going to try and blame this fiasco on WN 1.0 as well?

And this is another example why Parrott and all the other quota queens are so wrong in their “suggestions” and “advice.”  Rallies, trolling, beer bellies with their muskets, and all the rest mean nothing, absolutely nothing, when there is no infrastructure, no one embedded in the System, not a single lawyer on call ready to defend, absolutely nothing, nada, zip, zero – nothing except drunken podcasting, Pepe and Kek, trailer park cuckolding, “Proud Boys” chased out of LA boys and then abandoned by their founder, and “leaders” constantly with their hands out demanding “D’Nations.”  There’s nothing.  Absolutely nothing.  And if anyone asserts that we need something, then the good old boys emerge out of the woodwork and – aping their retarded God Emperor – lash out with tweets.  Pathetic.

We’re stuck in an eternal negative feedback loop.  The freakshows of Der Movement repel high quality people.  The lack of high quality people leads to a “movement” dominated by freaks, incompetents, and jackasses. This in turn further repels high quality people.

Only when the rank-and-file activists rebel against their “leaders” will this ever change.

Monday Madness

In der news.

Is Donald Trump the worst human being on Earth? He eggs on his supporters to be subjected to physical attack and then selective prosecution if they defend themselves.  He absolutely refuses to fulfill his constitutionally mandated law enforcement obligation against domestic terrorists, instead protecting the terrorists and persecuting their victims, the same victims he incites with his tweets.  What a despicable, low-life worm he is.

But, hey, he really “negs” the women real good, right Roissy?

What?  No pictures of the children?  Remember: give generously to VDARE, so as to make great events like that pictured here possible!

Why should you fund, like you know, infrastructure building, legal teams, opinion polling, research by people like Salter, or any of that?  For shame!  Pete and Johnny sitting on the lawn is where it’s at!  And why shouldn’t Old Mophead get the lion’s share or “movement” money simply for editing a blog? Gee…it’s not like anyone runs blogs for free or anything, right?

Who are the morons who pay VDARE for doing what other people (including me) do for free?  I understand that Brimelow has to support his family (and should be congratulated for producing a healthy share of White children, unlike Derbyshire), but what about writing another book? Alien Nation (which I purchased and read when it came out), was a useful contribution to the cause of immigration restriction. Why not do that?  How about lobbying?  Those would be respectable contributions. Or maybe I should just start the tin cup panhandling myself – in the interests of alliteration, we can call it The Sallis Swarthoid Solicitation.

Well, well, well….Roissy:

I’ve come to the (possibly premature) conclusion that Trump’s greatest accomplishment will have been getting elected.

Yes, Trump is halfway into this first – and possibly, only – term but let’s not be “possibly premature” or anything.  On second thought, he has accomplished things – empowering Antifa, persecuting his own supporters, and eating junk food. MAGA!

Colored snowflakes, part I.  At least the comments I read were decent.

Colored snowflakes, part II.  Meanwhile, Whites are routinely subjected to race-based criminal attack; ever see inter-racial crime statistics recently?

Colored snowflakes, part III.

The Trump family marches on. Cue Roissy taking about all the “good genes” in the Trump mudsharking family.  Jews, Arabs, Semites…oh my!

A news service that is representative of the future of humanity on our current course.

Very cognitive.  Very elite.  The Silk Road marches on!


Greg had better put his moderator’s hat firmly on for this one, or else the comments section will be filled with “Moops,” “racial admixture,” “True Romance,” etc. in the blink of an eye.  Well…that would be more likely if the post had been up at, say, Chateau Heartiste or The Occidental Observer, though.  

Meet North-Central Italian Thomas Bilotti.  A veritable Celto-Germanic Lombard!  A tall, gracile, light-complexioned, introspective Nordic!  Just like Il Duce!

Do you think there may be a connection between this

And this?  Come now!  The bias is completely irrational!

A riposte to Counter-Currents.  Thus, from Sallis: Ethnonationalism in one lesson.  [Dead German soldiers at the Somme]

Tuesday in Der Movement

More items. In all cases, emphasis added.

Amren commentator – Trump is the anti-Teddy:

rls976  stmariz2 • 20 hours ago

Trump speaks loudly but carries a twig

Hey, Roissy, are you paying attention?

Question for the Alt Wrong: If, as you claimed, Trump was “the last chance for White America” and if, as you claim today, he is a do-nothing fraud and swindler, then what now?

The FBI under Trump: Proud Boys BAD, Antifa GOOD.  With Sessions gone, can we now talk about Antifa Don, as opposed to Antifa Jeff?

Zman:

The rules, as currently written, are designed to protect the Left. Antifa gets police protection at riots, because the cops know the dissidents would tear the spaghetti armed Antifa boys to shreds, if given the chance. Everywhere you look the system is rigged to protect the Left and make it difficult for dissidents to mount a challenge.

Well, yes, that’s obvious, and has long been that way.  Very well.  But now the “God Emperor” is in charge of the federal government, of law enforcement, and the System’s pro-Antifa bias is stronger than ever.  That is what one would expect with Antifa Don in charge, a far-left effeminate, obese, and vulgar anti-White radical.  Make Antifa Great Again!

And it’s another great moment in Der Movement history. But let us give Spencer some credit: At least, unlike some other people, he does not use his children as fund-raising props, a behavior that is in my opinion indescribably inappropriate.

Yeah, Richie, you were real prescient and all.  And this blog – EGI Notes – was saying that Trump was a fraud, a Negrophile, a Jew-lover, and a vulgar, ignorant, buffoon, long before the election.  I guess it is time to establish the Crazy and Bitter Ted Twitter Account – and start broadcasting my ultra-prescience to the masses, eh?

See this.  Apparently, things have changed since the time when Russian soldiers would strip Italian POWs naked in the snow and pour ice water over them.  Of course, the Afrowops invited such contempt because of their pitifully pathetic military performance in WWII.  To the extent that that performance was not inherent in the Afrowop biological character, Mussolini has much blame there.  Fascism was in power for nearly twenty years when Italy entered WWII, and after all that time the population (such as it was) was not in any way radicalized, the military was ill-trained and ill-equipped, and sending such specimens to the Eastern Front was akin to sending Pee Wee Herman to compete in a Mixed Martial Arts event.  Il Duce did complain that he was like a sculptor with no stone to work with – that the poor human material of Italy’s population left him with little to do anything grand with.  To the extent that is true, he should have realized that, and either not gotten involved in the war, or at least only participated with limited contingents of the highest quality Italian soldiers, equipped and trained as best as possible, rather than with a general mass enlistment force.  A more focused group of soldiers may have demonstrated a credible military performance.  And, if the population was as bad as he said, he should have concentrated on eugenics and racial hygiene rather than blustering and war, and should have “fascistized” the existing population so as to extract from them the best performance possible – instead of being an Italian Trump with all blustering talk and no real action.

High-T Quota King Coulter – mudshark Annie herself – mocks Trump.  Gee, what ever happened to In Trump We Trust?

In response to the latest System lies about race, I point to:

1. This post.  You know, every time the “more variation within than between” nonsense is trotted out, the sly implication is to suggest to people that “within” is always within races.  But my post shows that this applies to ANY grouping of people.  However, the between racial differences are above and beyond the random genetic variation that exists, proving the biological validity of race.  In other words, there is just as much (if not more) “within group” variation for mixed groups of Whites and Blacks as there is within separated groups of Whites or groups of Blacks, but the between group variation is maximized when comparing the separate groups of Whites and Blacks.

2. Genetic interests are based on genetic kinship, which itself is based upon relative genetic similarity or difference.  Genetic kinship and genealogy track to an imperfect degree (as both Sailer and I agree).  So what?  A random co-ethnic may share more genes with you than your fourth cousin.  Again, so what?  If anything, it proves how closely co-ethnics can be genetically related.  And there is no difference, objectively speaking, between identity by state and identity by descent. Identical is identical. If two gene sequences are the same then they are the same regardless of why they are the same.

3. And, yes, it is possible for a European descendant of Charlemagne to have zero genes directly derived from Charlemagne.  But guess what?  They will be more genetically similar to Charlemagne than is a Nigerian.  Guess what racial group Otzi the Iceman clusters with?  Hint: It is not Negroes or Orientals.  Genetic kinship is not the same as genealogy, and as a proponent of EGI, I’m concerned with genetic kinship.

So…A woman is told that (from the NY Times article that Breezy Steve links to):

Johnson’s father, a chauffeur who later became a superintendent at a housing project in North Philadelphia, had a golden-brown complexionHer mother, who said her own father was a white Brit and her mother was half African-American and half Native American, was light-skinned. People sometimes mistook Johnson’s mother for white, and when she applied for seamstress jobs at department stores in the 1920s and ’30s, she chose not to correct them.  

She tests out as between 43-45% sub-Saharan African, which seems to me to be fairly accurate (as Sailer agrees). What’s the problem? The sickness of the SJW System is such that when genetic testing confirms race and demonstrates reasonable accuracy, the hysterics moan about “problems” and “inaccuracies.”  Likewise, when genetic analysis refutes Kemp on Ancient Egypt, the equally sick and hysterical “movement” says that the same analysis “proves Kemp was right.”  Both the System and Der Movement are frauds when it comes to racial science and racial history.

Well, when Roissy declared Salvini “the Italian Trump,” I guess he was right:

A young Somali refugee, who has just been granted refugee status, has been arrested on suspicion of raping a 68-year-old woman as she sunbathed on a beach in Abruzzo, Italy.

And, hey, according to the great and good Sir Desmond Jones, Italy is 100% ethnically and racially homogeneous to the end of time, forever and ever, amen.  After all, Afrowops, Somalis, what’s the difference?  

Hey, be careful there Hunter, you might get banned from Counter-Currents.  Don’t you know you are not supposed to challenge Greg too vigorously?  He’s already previously more or less called you “crazy” (*) and then wrote that your site was “black-pilling” (bitter); you may be next on the blacklist:

Hunter Wallace

Posted November 19, 2018 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

Billy Roper purity spiraled his way out of it.

He didn’t trust Jason Kessler. He didn’t like a variety of people who were scheduled to speak there. He didn’t trust the plan. You can say he opposed it for the wrong reasons, but it is unfortunate that Jacob Goodwin went and will be paying the price for years. There were a lot of WN 1.0 guys besides Roper who thought it was naive to hold such a large rally.

That’s correct.  Roper was right.  Why can’t Johnson give Billy credit for that? Both Roper and Johnson were skeptical about Unite the Right.  As was I – neither WN 1.0 nor WN 2.0 – by the way.  So, three people, with three different “movement” ideologies, all thought the rally was stupid.  Who thought it was a good idea?  All the heroic Millennials of WN 2.0. Let them assume the responsibility for that. It’s called accountability. Try it some time.

* In the comments thread of the above-linked article, Johnson wrote (about Wallace):

Moreover, this individual had also been committed to a mental institution and diagnosed as bipolar and schizophrenic…and during this psychotic episode (the one that he will admit to), he blogged about going to work for the SPLC.

If memory serves, Johnson later had Wallace as a podcast guest.  

Finally, Greg Johnson and I are in complete agreement on something:

Greg Johnson

Posted March 20, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

I am not a defeatist, but I do think that unconscious defeatism is a factor when movement people demand less competence and responsibility from so called leaders than they demand from their car mechanic. After all, a brake failure is serious. A failure of movement leadership . . . well, one would think that much more serious, since we are concerned with the preservation of our whole race. But the fact that people treat it far less seriously indicates that they really don’t think that the movement can accomplish its aims under any circumstances.

Greg seems “crazy and bitter” there – “blackpilling” – and should therefore ban himself form commenting at Counter-Currents.

The Face of the Duce

Also: Introducing Racial Recapitulation Theory.

What can the phenotype of the young Mussolini tell us?

Let’s take a look at the physical appearance phenotype of the Northern Italian (from Predappio in Romagna) Benito Mussolini, as a young man, to dissect certain aspects of “movement” dogma about Italians.

Let’s be honest. If you showed someone those pictures, and if they didn’t know who it was other than being told “it’s an Italian,” you know very well they would immediately say “must be a Southern Italian,” “It’s a Sicilian,” etc. – the extreme non-gracile swarthoid qualities would give the impression that reflects popular stereotypes.  However, Mussolini was, as stated above, a Northern Italian.  I also note that General von Rundstedt once deeply offended Hitler by questioning Der Fuhrer’s friendship and alliance with the “Negroid Asshole” Mussolini.  Did the good general see ll Duce’s Swiss mugshots?

What conclusions can we make based on these photos?

I want to first reply to potential objections to this brief analysis:

1. “This is just anecdotal evidence, a single-point piece of data.”  That’s correct, but Der Movement does the same with all groups (especially S. Italians), using pictures of single individuals as representative of an entire group, so we can do the same here.  There are indeed N. Italians who look like the young Mussolini, so there’s some general utility in the analysis.

2. “I thought you value genotype over phenotype.”  That’s true.  But we do not have access to Mussolini’s autosomal genome.  We do have access to his physical appearance; I’ll use the data at hand.

3. “I thought you wrote that phenotype is an imprecise reflection of the underlying genotype, of the underlying ancestry.”  That’s true as well; however, that is most true for phenotype analyzed as a stand-alone evaluation, and when one ignores available genetic data in favor of a purely phenotypic analysis. In the absence of genetic information, combining phenotype with other pieces of information – such as an individual’s ethnic affiliation – can give some useful information.  It’s flawed and subjective, but insofar as I know, no one has genotyped Mussolini’s remains, so we use what we have.

So, what can we say?

Two major points.

First, it is almost certain that Mussolini could not have been of exclusive Celto-Germanic ancestry (remember that one of Der Movement’s memes is that Northern Italians are Celto-Germanic).

Second, even if Mussolini did have some Celto-Germanic ancestry, it is likely in the extreme that such ancestry was only a minority of his ancestry.  The majority of his ancestry likely derived from other sources.

So, we can ask: what were those other sources?

According to another school of “movement” “thought” (Duke/My Awakening, etc.) Northern Italians reflect ancestry from the original Romans (or at least the original peoples of Italy).  If so, Il Duce suggests that at least some of those original Romans/Italians were quite swarthy and non-gracile indeed.  That goes against that precinct of “movement” “thought” that asserts that the original Romans/Italians were all akin to Dolph Lundgren walking around in a toga.

On the other hand, if you deny that the original peoples of Rome and Italy – or at least some of them – looked like Mussolini, and instead assert that his Swiss mugshots reflect “the racial degeneration due to Roman slavery” then you have to admit that such degeneration spread to Northern Italy, and that the ancestral remains of such degeneration is still present there in modern times.

So, it would seem that Der Movement dogma is at an impasse. Il Duce suggests that either there were real swarthoids among the original Romans/Italians or that Northern Italians are not purebred Romans or not purebred Celto-Germanics, or not merely a mix of the two.  Is it one or the other? Swarthy original Roman populations or racial degeneration in Northern Italy?

The point is for Der Movement to get beyond kneejerk dogma and at least think and consider the implications of their mutually exclusive memes coming into contact with facts and logic.

I doubt that will occur though.

By the way, Mussolini’s phenotype through his life reflects an observation I have made in that European-derived swarthoids tend to be swarthiest and most non-gracile in young adulthood and become lighter and more gracile as they age.  Hormones?  Some sort of racial version of recapitulation theory – “ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny” – at different stages of their life individuals reflect, to a greater or lesser degree, different aspects of their ancestry (*)?  Thus, for individuals of multi-component ancestry, they would look more like different components of that ancestry at different ages, at different phases of their life.  Would that be from actual differences in gene expression from various ancestrally-different gene segments that affect phenotype?  If so, what is the trigger for the switch – the aforementioned differences in hormone levels?  Some other age-related changes, possibly including epigenetics?  Or is it simply that phenotypic changes in physical appearance that normally accompany aging mimic the effects of looking more like various ethnic types?  This would require further consideration and study.  The former possibility is much more interesting than the latter, and more in keeping with “ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny.”  Perhaps both possibilities operate.  Again, this would seem to be a potentially fruitful area of inquiry.

Finally, the purpose of this post is to critique Der Movement’s rigid, unquestioning dogma, certainly not to cast any dispersion at a historical leader I admire – Il Duce.  Indeed, with respect to Mussolini, my opinion of him is the same as Yockey’s – Il Duce was a great man, one of the great leaders of history, a flawed man of course, but a man of vision and force.  He was ultimately betrayed by Italian laziness, ineptitude, and hedonism – and he knew it, given his comments about Italians with an analogy of Michelangelo being forced to work with clay.  Mussolini’s phenotype is simply Italian – a reality that Der Movement misses with its view of Northern Italians all looking like actor Dolph Lundgren and Southern Italians all looking like boxer Mike Tyson.


Here is another picture. A Celto-Germanic Nordic on the left, a Nigerian Negro on the right.

*Racial recapitulation theory!  You read it at EGI Notes first.

Der Predictable Movement

:::YAWN:::

OK, I first saw this post when it had zero comments as first posted – early afternoon Saturday, 2/3/18.

Prediction: there will be comments here about “racial admixture” in Italy, “racial degeneration,” “Italians are not White,” “Southern Italians are no good,” etc.  Let’s see.  Keep in mind the original article was about some Italian guy shooting at Black invaders in Italy.

And here we go:

White crusader
Luca Traini, new minister of defense for Northern Italy (Padania)
Southern Italy and Arab populated in blood and snout!
See “cuomo” silvester stallone, al pacino, francis ford coppola, martin scorsese, nocolas cage, al capone etc
Italy is a state not a nation!
You have the niggers us the TERRONI (derogatory term towards the inhabitants of the south: criminals ignorant parasites)
Cryptic
Italians are generally of an Aryan subrace called Mediterranean. Still one can find some intermixing of Nordic and Alpine blood among the general population, but it has been so diluted since the 17th century that it is fair to say that most inhabitants of the peninsula which you call Italy are not European in the classical sense. They are a part of a race which has its base outside of Europe.
White crusader
if you take a group of locals in the center and north of Italy and PURE (since over 50 are emigrated from the south “millions”) starting from the 60s adding the mixture that led to mestizo with Arabic features and dark skin), and a group of TERRONI (inhabitants of the south), the differences of the faces are implacably noticed, the TERRONI have 90% Arabian faces…

Did you ever doubt it?  There will be more, no doubt, but that’s sufficient to make my point.  Der Movement, Inc. has nothing to offer White ethnics.  Nothing.  If the original story had been about racial distinctions in Italy then, yes, I understand, that’s like waving a red flag in front of a bull, a rather retarded and deranged bull.  But, again, the original story was simply about an incident that took place in Italy, had nothing to do with Kempian nonsense, which just spontaneously percolates out from the dimwit crowd.

Is it a Mexican bandit?  Is it a Syrian refugee?  Is it an Arabic Terroni?  No, it’s a Nordic Padanian!  Germanic in blood and snout!

One picture is worth a thousand words. Stop with the obsessive Trump fanboyism.