Category: Old Movement
Even a stopped clock is correct twice a day.
First: An update: it seems like the AltRight.com site is “under renovation” and a new “2.0 site” is going to be revealed in several days. Hail Pepe! Praise Kek! We are saved! Seriously though, unless the Alt Right is merely a money-making machine (is it?) making cosmetic changes in websites is irrelevant. How about a complete renovation of the Alt Right itself, its dogma, its leaders, its culture?
Next: I’m no fan of Roosh, but how can anyone argue with the following, emphasis added:
An important question is what to do next. Rallies and other public events should be crossed off the list unless you’re prepared to run them like a counter-terrorist operation, which is how I was able to pull off my Canadian lectures. It makes absolutely no sense to announce the time and place of your meeting for the main benefit of appearing in fake news, all to be ambushed by antifa who have nothing to lose through their felonious violence.
Unless you’re an e-celeb with a huge ego, you don’t need public events, you don’t need to make the news, and you don’t need to gather massive groups of men you don’t know. Build your movement slow and steady instead of attracting whack jobs who praise Hitler and run people over with cars. Create flash events where leftist foot soldiers don’t receive advance notice on their iPhones of your whereabouts, and focus on winning hearts and minds with poignant, effective, or humorous engagements that are publicized through images or video and allow you to grow slowly as you gain needed experience.
If you insist on facing off with antifa, it’s going to be a fight that will likely lead to injury or imprisonment for you, but not imprisonment for them, and with the My Paycheck Matters police on the side of the state, it’s a hill you don’t want to die on until we enter a hot Civil War scenario. If you can’t become as competent on the field as a genuine Army Major, do not lead people into what will be sure ruin.
It should be clear that we have no allies in existing state and cultural institutions. They hate you and wish you would disappear, because you’re the one remaining obstacle to allowing them to permanently rule and usher in their “end of history.” They’re currently treating you with kid gloves, but we’re fast approaching the point where it will just be easier to outright kill you through their antifa or BLM zombies.
Before you associate with any dissident leader, ask yourself if he will get you maimed or impoverished through his incompetence, unpreparedness, or stupidity. Are you following a leader with an ego or an ego who doesn’t know how to lead? Since we’re still about 2-4 years away from violence that will make Charlottesville look like nothing, you still have time to decide the best way to proceed for you and your country.
Re-read that last paragraph. Then read it again and again and again until it sinks in. Let’s extend that advice. Will you support such a leader even online? Through donations? Stop enabling quota queen incompetence.
How the Alt Right (Dolt Right) defames racial nationalism.
Long time readers of this blog are aware that one of my major warnings against the Alt Right is that by promoting themselves as encompassing the totality of racial nationalism, the Alt Right will taint the entire “movement” with their stupidity and mendacity. Thus, whatever the Alt Right says and does will be construed as representing and reflecting all racial nationalists, even those of us who despise and oppose the Alt Right fad.
Read this, emphasis added:
Eli was in his mid-20s, from a middle-class suburban home, and he had led an unremarkable life, up until the Charlottesville rally launched him forward within the ranks of the loosely organized white-nationalist movement. He rose from a self-described “anonymous Twitter troll” to head of one of the largest groups in the so-called alt-right.
“I came to the realization around the inauguration that we must take this from an online activist movement to a real-life activist movement,” he told me. “I decided that was my calling.”
After a few phone calls, Eli agreed to give me an on-camera interview, at Richard Spencer’s apartment in Alexandria, Va. Spencer, 39, plays the big brother to many teenagers and 20-somethings drawn to the alt-right, and his one-bedroom apartment has become a frat house for white nationalists passing through the D.C. area. When I was there, a steady stream of young men (and an occasional woman) flowed in and out. Although Eli lives less than an hour away, he often crashes there on late nights spent drinking and planning the next event. He proudly told me he always gets the couch, while others sleep on the floor.
And then all the “blah, blah” about the military record. And so the mainstream conclusion based on this latest Alt Right fiasco is, emphasis added:
The movement itself also relies on falsehoods. It includes Holocaust deniers and pseudo-intellectuals who spout unsubstantiated theories about the science behind racial difference. In order to reach mainstream Americans, white supremacists have learned to cloak their racism in disorienting terms like “white identity politics.”
Thanks a lot, you goddamn idiots.
The mainstream’s deductive reasoning:
Premise (that you promote): The Alt Right IS White racial nationalism
Premise (based on facts): The Alt Right are a bunch of stupid, lying, incompetent, panhandling, drunken lulzers
Conclusion: White racial nationalism as a whole is composed of stupid, lying, incompetent, panhandling, drunken lulzers
Premise (that you promote): The Alt Right IS White racial nationalism
Premise: The Alt Right is based on lies, is full of liars, and peddles HBD pseudoscience
Conclusion: ALL the science asserted by White racial nationalists is pseudoscience
In other words, because Alt Righters are drunken liars, EGI is pseudoscience.
Irrational on the part of the mainstream? Perhaps? But isn’t it YOU, dear Alt Righters, who preach that people – the “normies” – are inherently irrational, so that instead of constantly burying them with logic and rational scientific facts, we need to project strength and fine character to appeal to their irrational instincts?
How’s that working out for you? The rest of us know how it is working out for us. Exactly as I warned, the Alt Right is wrecking racial nationalism.
Time for another half-drunk Alt Right podcast. Cue the Beavis-and-Buttthead sniggering.
And some advice: If you are a bunch of babbling imbeciles who can’t get your stories straight in the midst of your alcoholic haze, then please don’t give interviews to the mainstream media. Thank you.
Talking to the wind.
Read here about some of the current legal troubles of Richard Spencer and the Alt Right. This blog supports Spencer with respect to this situation and I hope it works out somehow, although I’m not very optimistic. We’ll see.
One point I’ll make is that these guys had things reversed. First, you build a presence in the community, you build an infrastructure, you spend the time – years – to build up a network of support (including lawyers) and then – after – you “go public” to the extent of participating in rallies such as Charlottesville – or organizing other public events – that have the potential for trouble and the potential for generating legal liability.
If these younger fellows would ever had asked advice and input from the dreaded over-50 crowd (and, no, Alt Wrong HBDers are not included in the group whose advice should have been solicited from), then perhaps some of these errors would not have been made. And for those of you who say “oh, that’s 20-20 hindsight” you’re wrong: I’ve been writing about the need for building infrastructure, community, and networks for years, I’ve been preaching prudent planning and contingency preparation; further, more than 15 years ago, when I was interviewed for Griffin’s book, I made the following points (emphasis added):
I think the challenge is to heighten whites’ racial awareness — especially the sane, honest, hardworking, law-abiding whites — and convince them to form voluntary, private organizations in their own communities. These organizations would exist to do practical things. The problem now is you have racialist organizations and they say, “Join up and send us your membership dues,” and you get a little membership card and a newsletter once a month. But the members stay isolated and everything stays divorced from reality. We need racial nationalist organizations that help children with homework, and help old and infirmed people, and that clean up neighborhoods, and where everybody stands together when some outside force tries to push them around. Maybe these organizations could have youth auxiliaries.
As it is now, we have white people thinking, “What am I going to do? I have got to send my children to the local school and it’s full of minorities and they are going to be taught all sorts of nonsense and they are going to get attacked, and my neighborhood is deteriorating, and my life is going to hell.” An activist comes up to them and says, “Let’s go protest against the United States’ foreign policy in the Middle East.” That’s great, our foreign policy in the Middle East should be protested, but there is still the question of what is going to be done to help the person scratching his head trying to figure out what he is going to do about what is happening in his life. At a very basic level we have to protect ourselves physically.
The Nation of Islam may be an example of the kind of thing I’m talking about. It was founded in the 1930s, but it wasn’t until the early 1960s that most white Americans ever heard about the Black Muslims. They spent decades building a base of support in the black community by helping black people with whatever they were doing in their community. So when they started becoming vocal and white people in the early 1960s started saying, “Hey, these people are a problem, what are we going to do?” it was already too late. The Black Muslims were already firmly established and had become an integral part of black society. In a similar way, a white nationalist movement has to grow like a plant, with its roots firmly in the soil.
Sound familiar? Sound relevant? Build a base of support in the community. Do that FIRST. Have youth auxiliaries (putting Beavis-and-Butthead in their proper place). Protect activists (and White people generally) physically. Once you do those things, once you are firmly planted in the soil of the community, then you will have white collar and blue collar members and supporters – including lawyers – ready for when they are needed. You’ll be grounded, on a firm foundation, you’ll have those deep roots so your trunk and branches won’t get blown away in a storm. You have all these things and then you go out and do your rallies and protests. Some would argue that the rallies and protests are needed to gain the supporters in the first place, to which I say that the type of supporters you need first and foremost are the ones gained by community organizing and not from rallies with cosplay actors dressed like Captain America, and also, why is it that low-IQ, low time preference Negroes did things correctly, but the ever-so-superior Whites did not, and cannot, do so?
Whenever these guys begin to realize they should get input from older people who have some useful perspectives, they know how to contact us. But it is a bit late now, these problems should not have went down like this to begin with. If and when these legal problems are resolved, I’d advise the sort of careful, long-range, and strategic building of community, infrastructure, and networking described above, including a legal team, a security force, folks with business sense, and some older advisers to provide guidance.
Slightly off-topic, but still focused on the Alt Right and their errors and delusions, see this. That is the most ludicrous stupidity imaginable.
In Der Movement, you don’t dominate anything. Leadership? Ha! Respect? Ha! (Just look at any comments thread to any post concerning the “Alt-Europeans”). Interests considered? Double Ha! Talk about delusional.
Well, actually, I dare.
I see it as highly hypocritical that the same “movement” “leaders” – all the quota queens – endlessly complain about being “deplatformed” (and use that as part of their equally endless tin cup panhandling), while at the same time these “leaders” behave the same way with respect to racialist dissidents who honestly critique the “movement” and its “leaders” – “ban” them, essentially “deplatform” them from the central media centers of (what passes for) “movement” discourse.
It is important to clear up some matters lest I be accused of hypocrisy or inconsistency. First, I do agree with the argument – made, for example, by Bowery at Majority Rights when he and I were both participating at that blog – that freedom of association trumps freedom of speech. I further made the argument at my own blogs that freedom of speech does not obligate anyone to host any specific type of speech at their own forum; again, freedom of association is above freedom of speech, as long as that speech has somewhere else to go. So, yes, I agree that a blog owner can “ban” anyone they want from their site, and that “banned” person can go and set up their own blog and do their own thing elsewhere on the Internet. After all, that’s ultimately why this blog exists (and, if I remember correctly, for example, Majority Rights was established after its founders were essentially declared persona non grata at Gene Expression). I have also argued, in like sense, that a blog can be viewed as a form of political warfare, and so why should political soldiers benefit their enemies by facilitating those enemies’ dissemination of their ideas? There is no obligation to host your enemy. Very good, but is a fellow racial activist really an “enemy” because they criticize some of your ideas and actions? Because they state that you should be held accountable for mistakes (according to your own declared standards of behavior)? Are fellow activists the functional equivalent of SJW leftists?
It is also true that there is a difference between being banned from a blog (or a set of blogs) and having a major (albeit privately owned) company, which is functionally equivalent to a public utility, banning its use by an entire class of people based on, for example, their political views. However, the “why should you assist the enemy?” argument cuts both ways here. The owners of Amazon, Twitter, PayPal, etc. can argue – why should they be obligated to support their enemies? Oh, you say that they are so successful that they are equivalent to public utilities and so they must be obligated to serve everyone. Very well. Imagine the same principle is turned inward to the “movement” – some “movement” blogs, sites, groups, and organizations are so successful (within the “movement” itself) that they are equivalent to “movement” “public utilities” and so they must be obligated to serve all racial activists, even those they disagree with. I’m sure that violation of freedom of association would be rejected, even though in principle the argument is the same (adjusted for scale between society-at-large and the “movement”).
I’m not making a legalistic argument in this post; instead, I’m making a moral one, based on principles, and based on character and integrity (or the lack therefore in Der Movement). The basic truth is that these “leaders” are endlessly whining about being deplatformed by private companies, and they behave the same way to racial activist dissidents they do not like. The scale is different, but the basic principle is the same, and most of the arguments as to why private companies should be obligated to interface with, and serve, the “movement” as a whole can be made to argue that the “movement” as a whole needs to interface with the dissidents within its ranks.
Basically, I see the behavior of the “leaders” as being one of cowardice – fear of engaging with dissident critics and those critics’ ideas – as well as the prima donna sense of entitlement that derives from being products of the “movement’s” affirmative action program – how dare anyone criticize them! Why should they stoop to answering critics?. Low character hypocrites: behold the Type I Quota Queen “Leadership” of Der Movement: fearfully hiding from those who would critique their flawed ideas and those who would hold them accountable for their failures.
Note: Someone may point out that my own blogs have traditionally never had comments sections. That is true. First, I’m not a fan of such sections, the signal-to-noise ratio is poor; most “movement” comments threads of full of asinine Type I activists, trolls, fetishists, defectives, and “antis.” Second, and even more importantly, unlike our “fearless leaders,” I am not a full time professional activist (living off of supporters’ donations). I’m merely a part-time amateur; I simply do not have the time to deal with comments; to my mind, it is more important, and more prudent, to invest my limited time in producing new content. However, our heroic leaders are indeed full time activists with free time aplenty, they are people who believe that comments sections have value, so there is obviously a difference between my blog and theirs in that regard.
Definitions of WN.
Beavis-and-Butthead White nationalism: The American Alt Right.
Silk Road White nationalism: The idea that Whites should be an enslaved subaltern low caste serving the interests of their Asian overlords. Asians will colonize the West, and the borders of the West will be guarded by Chinese girls with guns.
Yarmulke and Chopstick White nationalism: HBD race realism. The Alt Wrong.
Tin Cup White nationalism: Most of American White nationalism; Der Movement in general. This is best represented by the Happy Penguins and the Ethnonationalist ethnic cleansers.
Poolside White nationalism: Hello, Roissy. Nihilistic hedonism, with a bit of race-mixing thrown in for good measure. “Game” – pure “pussy pedestalization.”
Sieg Heil and Pass the Beer White nationalism: Nutzis in general. “White nationalism 1.0” for the most part. Type I activists.
Exposing the racial sexual fetishism underlying “movement” and HBD politics.
Sallis right again…and, no, I don’t get tired of writing that.
Readers of this blog are aware that I have been very critical of the pro-Asian precincts of the “movement.”
Thus I have continuously asserted:
1. Certain precincts of Der Movement – including but not limited to Alt Wrong HBD/race realists, certain Alt Righters, Type I activists, some Nutzis, and the Silk Roaders – are pro-Asian (mostly East Asian), are obsessed with Asians (particularly Asian females), and value Asians over either all Whites or over some subset of Whites (White ethnics). Some actually call themselves “yellow supremacists.”
2. Pro-Asian “White racial activists” tend to be derived from ethnic groups associated with “high trust hunter gatherer” ancestry.
3. As suggested above, these tend to be people who are Type I activists ideologically, Type I activists as regards character (the Beavis-and-Butthead brigade) or the most pure Type I activist that combines both ideological and character components. In fact, I would like to make an important modification of my typology scheme here. Only people who are Type II in both ideology and character should be classified as Type II activists. Everyone else are Type I. Even though I believe ideology trumps character, the “taint” of Type I character is so strong that an activist with a Type II ideology and a Type I character is effectively, functionally, Type I.
4. As suggested above, there is an underlying Yellow Fever sexual fetishism here; the pro-Asian attitudes are tied to a history of sexual interest in East Asian females.
5. Indeed, many of these types have a documented history of dating and/or marrying East Asian females.
How do the facts square with Sallistrian assertion?
Read this. Emphasis added:
The white supremacists on the far right have “yellow fever” — an Asian woman fetish. It’s a confusing mix.
Andrew Anglin, the founder of the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer, once posted a video of himself with a Filipina he called “my jailbait girlfriend,” the young couple flirting as they sauntered through a megamall in the Philippines. Richard Spencer, a white nationalist, has dated a series of Asian-American women, according to one of his ex-girlfriends. (Mr. Spencer insists that it was before he embraced white nationalism.)
The right-wing agitator Mike Cernovich, the writer John Derbyshire and an alt-right figure named Kyle Chapman (so notorious for swinging a lead-filled stick at Trump opponents at a protest in Berkeley, Calif., that he is now a meme) are all married to women of Asian descent. As a commenter wrote on an alt-right forum, “exclusively” dating Asian women is practically a “white-nationalist rite of passage.”
“I have never regarded the Chinese or the Japanese as being inferior to ourselves,” Adolf Hitler said in 1945. “They belong to ancient civilizations, and I admit freely that their past history is superior to our own.”
Of course, Slavs are “subhuman” but Chinese and Japanese are ever-so-superior. Hitler: Type I Nutzi.
Then we have that “high trust hunter gatherer” Charles Murray (emphasis added):
Murray left for the Peace Corps in Thailand in 1965, staying abroad for a formative six years.] At the beginning of this period, the young Murray kindled a romance with his Thai Buddhist language instructor (in Hawaii), Suchart Dej-Udom, the daughter of a wealthy Thai businessman, who was “born with one hand and a mind sharp enough to outscore the rest of the country on the college entrance exam.” Murray subsequently proposed by mail from Thailand, and their marriage began the following year, a move that Murray now considers youthful rebellion. “I’m getting married to a one-handed Thai Buddhist,” he said. “This was not the daughter-in-law that would have normally presented itself to an Iowa couple.”
Murray credits his time in the Peace Corps in Thailand with his lifelong interest in Asia. “There are aspects of Asian culture as it is lived that I still prefer to Western culture, 30 years after I last lived in Thailand,” says Murray. “Two of my children are half-Asian. Apart from those personal aspects, I have always thought that the Chinese and Japanese civilizations had elements that represented the apex of human accomplishment in certain domains.
Of course, Murray’s own book on “human accomplishment” – despite his attempt to “cook the books” – tells a different story, does it not? The apex of human accomplishment in almost all domains is a bit further west than China and Japan, no?
And…”youthful rebellion?” Yeah, it produced two mixed-race children and a pro-Asian attitude “30 years after.” Murray: the Type I political scientist. “Youthful rebellion” – with consequences that last a lifetime. How about some responsibility and accountability, Chuck? What a turd.
And will you all deny that HBD is a pro-Asian (and pro-Jewish) political movement in large part fueled by Yellow Fever enthusiasts (Murray, Derbyshire, Brand) and their associates (Sailer – who once claimed to be part-Jewish, the penis sized-obsessed Rushton, and pseudoscientist joke Lynn, never mind the “I come from an inbred group” HBD Chick and the triracial and part-Asian mongrel Jayman).
By the way, I’ve personally known quite a few White males (not men), all in STEM, married to Orientals. Not a single one is “normal;” they are all – ALL – what Derbyshire self-labels as “awkward squad.” All of them are socially awkward weaklings whose wives “wear the pants” in the family. Yes, yes, I know: anecdotal evidence. But how much do you want to bet that a quantitative psychometric study will demonstrate clear personality differences between Yellow Fever race-mixers and the rest of us?
Also read this, emphasis added:
But Spencer’s evolution into a hardcore ethno-nationalist was perhaps not as seamless as he makes it seem. In late 2007, he dated a woman who is Asian American. The two met when she was working for Ron Paul’s presidential campaign.
“I am not the only Asian girl he has dated,” says Spencer’s ex, who spoke to me on the condition that her name not be disclosed. She said she’d initially been turned off by his talk of race-based behavioral differences, but she eventually softened to the idea. They dated for four months, including a trip she took with him to Texas to attend his high school reunion. She says she eventually broke up with him, but not because he was too politically radical. “We all have inconsistencies,” she said. “Especially with love. How can you control your heart?”
I asked Spencer about his Asian ex as he was digging into a bowl of Thai noodles at an eclectic restaurant in the quaint downtown of Whitefish. He seemed shocked that I’d brought it up, and peppered me with questions about how I’d found out. “I would rather you didn’t write about that,” he said, adding later: “You are probably going to nail me with this…I think some people in the movement would probably find that terrible.” He confirmed that she was not the only Asian woman he’d been with, but he said the relationships predated his evolution into a white nationalist.
Though Spencer now opposes interracial relationships, white nationalists have long looked east for inspiration—Hitler regarded Chinese and Japanese history as “superior to our own.” Jared Taylor and William Johnson, the leader of the white nationalist American Freedom Party, both speak fluent Japanese. “There is something about the Asian girls,” Spencer said. “They are cute. They are smart. They have a kind of thing going on. If I am looking at my own life objectively, it really doesn’t surprise me that much.”
Let me explain the problem, what is “terrible.” The real problem here is not that Spencer dated some Asians before he became a WN. After all, he dated them, not married them, and he did not procreate with them. OK, fine. But please Richard, be a man, admit your error. You would get more respect from the “movement” if you would just say “look, I was young, I was not a WN, I used poor judgment, and I made some mistakes. It was wrong, I regret it, and it certainly will never happen again.” Instead, we get justifications: “There is something about the Asian girls,” Spencer said. “They are cute. They are smart. They have a kind of thing going on. If I am looking at my own life objectively, it really doesn’t surprise me that much.”
So…what? If some female mudshark makes similar excuses for dating Tyrone Carjacker, should we just blithely accept that as well? Yes, Negroes are worse than Asians, and, yes, female miscegenation can be considered worse since females are the bottleneck for reproduction. But, as regards principle, it’s the same thing. ADMIT YOUR MISTAKE. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO JUSTIFY IT. Do you guys really need to be told that?
I mean, if Spencer “now opposes interracial relationships,” then obviously he has to consider those past relationships of his a mistake. Therefore, it’s obvious that one must take responsibility for it. But, alas, responsibility and accountability is not what the “movement” is about now, is it? And the Asian claims she broke up with him, not the other way around. Accountability?
These are your “leaders” and heroes, by the way. Good luck with a “pro-White” “movement” that values Yellow over White, and that consists of activists who think dating Orientals is a “rite of passage.”
Type I activists have dominated American racial nationalism and has led it down into the toilet. Keep on supporting them though, that’ll do wonders to “advance the cause.”