Category: pan-European

NatAll Follies

The usual from Der Movement.

Yes, don’t get sick.  How about National Alliance stickers urging Whites to get vaccinated against preventable diseases?  Or will we hear more from Strom about how “Big Pharma” is injecting us with stuff to cause autism?

The hyper-Nordicist, sweat-drenched fetishist, and plagiarist Andrew Hamilton (also see here)  is at it again. There is of course a number of things to criticize Napoleon about (e.g., Jewish emancipation, a weak understanding of race, etc.), but we know the real reasons for “movement” anti-Napoleonism – he was a Corsican of (North) Italian ancestry who was an opponent of German nationalist aspirations. 

Napoleon has historically been considered a great man of history, even by those (e.g., Hitler) who had reasons to view Bonaparte as a destructive force. Nietzsche was an admirer of Napoleon, although he criticized Bonaparte’s later corruption and consequent downfall (Perhaps Napoleon and the Roman Empire – also admired by Nietzsche while being despised by the “movement” [for similar reasons] – had an overall trajectory in common. It does seem that way). Reasonable people should have a balanced view of Napoleon; the Nordicist animus toward Bonaparte (and Hamilton is not alone  here, although of course Kemp tells us Napoleon himself was “Nordic”) is as comically buffoonish as the System’s knee jerk hostility toward Der Movement’s real God Emperor – Adolf Hitler.

The “Pan-European” Emperor

Pan-European – horror!  You’ll say the scare quotes were all about Napoleon being a racial universalist rather than truly pan-European. However, Hamilton’s true opinion of pan-Europeanism is suggested by:

White subracial biological-linguistic-cultural amalgamation suggested by the emperor’s words (the dubious strategy subsequently implemented without deliberation by America in the early 20th century)

Dubious strategy. Note that well. The assimilation of different European types into White America is implicitly opposed by the National Alliance, since they are giving a forum to Andrew Hamilton in this regard. That’s a truth you can’t avoid, Strom. So, tell us Kevin – given the hardcore Nordicism that is at the core of the National Alliance, and certainly was the foundation of Pierce’s worldview, and that is implicitly endorsed by the current incarnation of the National Alliance, why should any so-called “White ethnics” support you and your organization? That’s not merely a rhetorical question. That’s something you should be asking yourself.  After all, no one is forcing you to give Hamilton a forum. That’s your choice.

By the way, all of the above is not an endorsement of European panmixia, or a suggestion that pan-Europeanism should and would lead to such a panmixia.  However, hostility toward Euro-assimilation in America (and what to do then with all those peoples?) can reasonably be seen as reflecting an attitude hostile to pan-Europeanism and hostile to cooperation among all European peoples.

It is because of the likes of Hamilton that the conditions existed to enable Hermansson’s infiltration. It is because of the likes of Hamilton that the “movement’s” ethnic affirmative action program exists, with all the damage that has done to the fortunes of the Far Right. It is because of the likes of Hamilton that a significant fraction of the Euro-American population are suspicious of, and eschew, White nationalism and the Far Right in general.  

Did Ernst Rohm help crush the degeneracy?  Didn’t he once say that a Weimar-era bathhouse featuring male Negro prostitutes was the “epitome of all human happiness,” or words to that effect?  Yes, yes, he was killed – but for political reasons, not because of his homosexuality. Yes, yes, the Nazis “cracked down on homosexuality,” after years of openly tolerating it.

One wonders.  See this as well.  Of course, other Hitler biographers deny the Gay Fuhrer idea – which may be on the same order of System fantasy as “Log Cabin Republican Honest Abe” and Joshua Speed – but, still, all the chest-beating by Der Movement about Nazi anti-degeneracy seems to suggest that they “dost protest too much.”

On another note…but, but, but, he’s a sincere man of genuine greatness, right Greg?

The Great Nation


The Great Nation, by  Jean Thiriart, a few quotes:

For us a nation is, above all, a community of destiny.

Originally, a nation is not an ethnic or linguistic entity. What constitutes the reality and vitality of the nation is the unity of its historic destiny.

When men, peoples have arrived at almost identical levels of maturity, when a culture is common to them, when geography makes immediate neighbors of them, and the same dangers and the same enemies threaten them, the conditions are given for making a nation.

For us nationalism is the identity of destiny desired in light of a great shared plan.

We state that the smaller a nation is the more it is subject to foreign influences.

Freedom is power. Power is dimension. It is true of nations as of men: only the big ones are really free (*).

It is a good book, very pan-European in outlook and also very much opposed to petty nationalism. There is also the issue of anti-Americanism, a common trait of continental European (particularly French or Belgian like Thiriart) nationalists (or those like Yockey who were similar in outlook). These types typically do not distinguish the American state from the (White) American people, or, at least for the latter, do not distinguish culturally European Whites from the booby masses.

He also notes – back two generations ago – the folly of importing migrant workers when automation will make their labor superfluous. Even if one were to accept the priority of economics (which we should not) and the idea that aging populations will have a shortage of younger workers, all of that is moot with sufficient automaton. 

Ultimately, the economy is based on productivity as well as the balance between production and consumption, between supply and demand.  Productivity can just as easily be achieved, and typically more efficiently, with automaton than with human labor (hence, the entire economic history of industrialization), and demand does not require ever larger masses of people, as per capita consumption can increase with higher and higher standards of living. Excess production – if a “problem” – can be siphoned off into mass projects such as space exploration and the creation of technical and cultural artifacts.

As an aside, I note the utter hypocrisy of filthy scum like Greta Thunberg who agonize over “the environment” while not opposing mass immigration and unrestricted Third World population growth. both of which are having, and will increasingly have, negative effects on environmental stability. You would think that a person really suffering from “the disability of Asperger’s Syndrome” wouldn’t care about the social sensitivities of political correctness and would just blurt out the truth.  But, alas,the Holy Ladogan does not do so.

*Then towering and statuesque heroes such as Johnson and Spencer are more free than manlets like Anglin or any of the scurrying two foot tall swarthoids old Humphrey was trying frantically to stamp out.

Oppose the Movement Caste System for Europeans

No hypocrisy.

Let’s consider the following, emphasis added:

Bolton cites some of the anti-“Med” ramblings of the King of Ethnic Fetishism, “Wilmot Robertson,” and also quotes Stimely’s correct verdict on Robertson’s self-defeating rambling obsessions.  “Robertson” and his legacy remain a highly destructive force within (mostly American) racial nationalism, one major infection point for the obsessive fixations that still remain extant today.  But, let us give some credit to “Robertson” and his followers: at least they are honest about their disgust and contempt for Europeans deriving from the south of Vienna (or Munich) and to the east of Berlin. Worse perhaps are those types who actually believe the same as “Robertson” but make a pretense of being “pan-European” or “pan-Aryan.”  Note to those latter individuals: Europeans – Westerners – are not Hindu Indians, we do not have, or want, a caste system (with Eastern Europeans being lower caste and Southern Europeans being “untouchables”).  Pick your ingroup and that’s your ingroup – if you despise a group, then don’t include them; if you include them then don’t despise them. The basic definition of any group is “in/out” and if Der Movement can’t even get that straight, after decades of discussion and debate, then what good is it?  If that is “vertical race” then Yockey was right to oppose it, but not at the cost of disavowing biological reality

This is an important point I’ve made time and again. Pick your ingroup and then accept the consequences of that choice without being a hypocrite. If you despise certain European types, all well and good, but then please do not pretend that they are part of your ingroup for reasons of self-interest (to maximize followers and “D’Nations” and/or to appeal to members of your real chosen ingroup who have more pan-European ideals than you do yourself). If, on the other hand, you accept X,Y,Z in your ingroup, then there should be no caste system that says that X,Y,Z are inferior to, and subordinate to, A,B,C and that only A,B,C can be leaders and not X,Y,Z.  And don’t accept X,Y,Z with condescending contempt, use them for what they are worth, and then later state that “we need to re-evaluate the ingroup,” after which you exclude those who’ve already invested time, effort, and money for your cause. This latter type of behavior is particularly distasteful, despicable, and dishonorable (and has occurred in Der Movement).

In Der News, 9/8/19

Race and “movement” news.

I have problems with how Greg Johnson answers the question: “Which ethnic groups are white enough to be included in white nationalism? – in his latest podcast.

First, if the only thing Greg cares about is that every ethnic group has its own homeland, then he should call himself a Universal ethnonationalist and not a White nationalist.  If it doesn’t make any difference if we talk about Greeks or Turks, Russians or Georgians – or, presumably, Danes or Nigerians – then why use the adjective “White” to describe the type of nationalist you are? Or do you actually have an identity affiliation with some groups more than others? If so, who are those groups, and why do they fit and others do not?

Second, when people ask questions like this, what they are really asking, in essence, is – Who is White enough to live in a White American ethnostate?  Who is White enough to be considered a “fellow White” by WNs?  Who is White enough to be welcomed as a “brother” (or “sister”) at your racialist conferences and forums?  That fits in with the previous question about Nordicism discussed in the podcast, and it should have been answered in a more thoughtful and comprehensive manner.  Yes, indeed, “White enough for what?” – that’s the entire point.  And the question of a Greek being a (White) American is also exactly the point; no one on the Far Right is arguing about Greeks in Greece. Yes, the Greeks are Greek enough to be in Greece; I doubt that’s what the question was addressing.  We all know what the issue is.  It is, e.g. – are Greeks White enough to be considered part of the family of White peoples? Superficial answers to questions do not constitute serious metapolitics.  If you declare yourself a “leader” and ask for $100,000 per year in “D’Nations” then you have an obligation to do better.

Third, I strongly object to the idea that an Imperium has to lead to a significant “blending” of peoples, with intra-European migration, assimilation, and mixing. This issue has been discussed by my work many times, and the fact that this comes up again clearly demonstrates the danger of activists who refuse to engage with opposing ideas, and who believe that “banning” people from their blogs obviates the need for critical thinking.

As far as Johnson’s claim (in the previous section of the podcast, concerning the topic) that he takes a strong stand against extreme Nordicism; I don’t know what comments he has been deleting, but four words suffice here:  Ash Donaldson, Andrew Hamilton.

But at least the Counter-Currents crew have the honesty to admit that Nordicism is still very much alive and well in the (American) “movement.” That contrasts to the following commentator:

Posted September 7, 2019 at 5:24 pm | Permalink
I am not sure why the podcasters are under the impression that Nordicism has any noticeable presence in our current iteration of the dissident right. It is a pretty rare thing nowadays. I don’t exclude the possibility that some old guard figures are of that persuasion, but overall it is quite rare nowadays.

This person is obviously not a reader of EGI Notes, where I regularly chronicle Der Movement’s constant Nordicism. Indeed, in the absence of Nordicism, Der Movement ceases to exist, so fundamental is that worldview to its existence. Just peruse the posts at this blog under the labels “Nordicism” or “Sallis’ Law” or “Durocher” for some recent examples – or just read the comments threads of virtually any “movement” blog post about Southern (or Eastern) Europe (never mind a recent Counter-Currents contribution by the aforementioned Donaldson). This commentator is mendacious, clueless, or perhaps so habituated to Der Movement’s constant Nordicism that he/she/it no longer notices it – just like one can become oblivious to a foul smell if they are exposed to it long enough. The only excuse this fool has is that many Nordicists today avoid using that term to describe themselves; even years ago, Kemp (of all people!), in response to some of my own writing, denied being a Nordicist, despite the fact that he was (and still is, for those who still remember him) widely considered one of the “movement’s” leading Nordicists, with his “work” enthusiastically promoted by most Nordicists (some of whom became so breathless over it that one suspects it was onanism material for them).  That some may deny a label does not mean it is not true.  After all, we may assume Trump would deny being a retarded buffoon, but does that denial hold any water?

Well ,well, well…Sallis right again.  Read this, emphasis added:

German activists, refugee defenders and illegal immigrants have decided to enter Bulgaria and demolish the border fence.

We read this on the following page:

With this, the German tolerators plan to open the way for thousands of newcomers from Africa and Asia to Bulgaria.

We from the Bulgarian National Union – ND (SBNE) cannot consider it normal for German anarchists to be ordered on Bulgarian territory. The German trash traveling to Bulgaria must be stopped at all costs, because their intention to open the border is outrageous and offensive to all Bulgarians!

The management of the Ministry of Interior as well as the Foreign Ministry have already been notified and we expect them to take all necessary measures to prevent the entry of this group into the territory of the Republic of Bulgaria.

In the event that the above-mentioned institutions do not prevent this another hassle and arbitrariness towards the Bulgarian state, then we as Bulgarian citizens will take measures to protect our country.

Therefore,inform, gather people and resist. Show that Bulgaria is not Avramov’s home where anyone can enter and do whatever they want !!!

The German garbage departs today at 13:00 from Berlin and is expected to be in Sofia tomorrow in the early afternoon.

So, it’s not enough for the Holy Ones to sail the Mediterranean looking for Afro-Asiatics to dump into Italy (or Greece or Spain). It’s not enough that they physically crash their ships into Italian harbors to disembark invaders (akin to a military invasion).  In addition, they actually have the temerity to invade by land, to open the borders to the Third World flood – in someone else’s country.

Questions – has any Italian ship crashed into Hamburg to eject the flotsam and jetsam of Africa? Have any Bulgarians entered Germany to enforce open borders there?  Any swarthoid ships sailing the Mediterranean looking for migrants to dump into Norway?  Can we safely say the answer to all three questions is “no?”  Yes, we can.

“They all have to go back,” indeed.  

Some good news.  Of course, the good news is coming from a pan-Europeanist, as opposed to the litany of woe emanating from the ethnonationalist side of the Right.

Quo Vadis pan-Europeanism?

Whither pan-Europeanism?

Anyone else notice that Amren is really pushing the work of McCulloch recently?  Once again Sallis is proven correct, as I predicted that the HBD-Nordicist alliance, with Jewish/Asian interests in the background, will always attempt to divide Europeans against each other. Der Movement is tiresomely predictable, and the HBDers most of all.

Comment from the threads:

Miss Annie  

Southern and Eastern Europeans are admixed with Asian and Arab blood due to wars and invasions during the Middle Ages onward. For example, Spain and Portugal were conquered by Muslims in the eight century. It took eight centuries to get rid of the Muslims, but they still left their legacy in its inhabitants which, in turn, slowed the country’s economic growth as well scientific and literary progress.

Evidence of Siberian/East Asian admixture in Northern Europe – which even the radically hardcore Nordicist Durocher now admits exists (although he claims it is “beneficial” to all humanity) – is of course excluded from such screeds.  

Note to White ethnics – leave Der Movement ASAP.  

Now, let’s look at input on this matter from everyone’s favorite dishonest commentator Silver: 

For some people, the racial and cultural differences become too significant to paper over as one moves from northwest Europe to southeast Europe. Although pan-European ideals hold some degree of personal appeal for me, I think it’s terribly unrealistic to expect most people to ever share them. Pan-Slavism had more going for it than pan-Europeanism, but even that never really got off the ground.

Slav is technically not a racial term, but I am not opposed to its use in this way. There is less racial variation among the people encompassed by the linguistic term Slav than there is in the racial term ‘white’, after all.

I have the impression that people tend to run away from Slav as a racial identifier in a bid to avoid association with the sorts of things that WNs have historically regarded as backward or inferior in Slavic cultures. This is especially so if they are coming at WN from a national socialist angle.

Despite the numerous factors in its favor, pan-Slavism would, I agree, have served as little more than a vehicle for the promotion of Russian interests, simply given the sheer weight of numbers on the Russian side.

It’s easy enough to proclaim European unity, especially in internet comments, but achieving actual unity in real world activism is rather more difficult.

A racial movement is not like other movements, in which membership is determined by the views a person claims to hold. Membership is decided by visual identification. No amount of pleading will ever persuade some people to accept those they visually identify as too racially divergent, nor do constant reassurances do much to assuage the doubts of those whose inclusion is questioned.

The history of racial activism has amply demonstrated, I think, that any real world get-together will always be infected by such hardliners who will invariably express their views and question other people’s inclusion, leading to bickering and self-doubt – at which point any presumed ‘unity’ goes out the window.

The only way I can see for a racial movement to surmount this problem is market itself as a cultural movement – to promote a European cultural identity – and trust that, essentially, only whites will ever really be attracted to it. Misgivings about visual identifications would not then be the barrier to unity they are in a strictly racial movement. The very racial hardliners that make unity so difficult in a racial movement would also likely self-select out of a cultural movement, which would also ease the way to unity.

If you knew nothing about Silver’s past history, these comments would seem somewhat reasonable, even though we may disagree with the recommendations he makes. Unfortunately for him, some of us have long memories, and statements from him like “Although pan-European ideals hold some degree of personal appeal for me…” rank among the most dishonest in the history of the Internet.  Silver has been a bitter enemy of pan-Europeanism for the past dozen years, and has been mocking, attacking, and deconstructing pan-Europeanism, often in the most mendacious and or infantile fashion, ever since he started infesting the Majority Rights comments threads in the mid-2000s.

Regarding his contention that “Membership is decided by visual identification…” that may hold for the McCulloch faction, but many – most? – people in Der Movement go by ancestry.  For example, most people in Der Movement would reject a “Nordish” Jew, but accept a darker, swart cockney “Paleo-Atlantid” Englishman.

With respect to the main point that White unity in Der Movement will always be undermined by Nordicist hardliners who reject and exclude other Whites and by the reaction of those other Whites to that exclusion, I agree. My brief period of thinking that compromise was possible was wrong-headed delusion on my part; I can admit when I have been wrong, and I was wrong in that case.  If that makes some question my judgment, so be it.  Unlike Greg Johnson and the other Quota Queens, I’m not going to hide my errors in an attempt to safeguard others’ opinions of me.

Silver’s recommendations are flawed.  Cultural nationalism does not solve the race problem to everyone’s satisfaction; even if it are mostly Whites who are attracted to it, it still leaves the door open for mass “cultural conversion” and assimilation, attacking the foundations of racial preservationism. One solution, and that which I have advocated, is adding (not replacing) cultural factors to racial ones, instead of replacing race with culture, or vice versa – thus merging the Salterian and Yockeyian viewpoints (note I use Salterian not McCullochian – ancestry not phenotype).

Pan-Slavism has been, as Silver admits, a failure and a vehicle for Russian domination. Further, it can exhibit the same problems as pan-Europeanism. One can imagine neo-Nordicist North Slav types, such as the Polako and Raciology specimens, attacking “racially admixed” South Slavs and making a distinction between “True Slavs” (Poles, Russians) and “False Slavs” (Serbians, Bulgarians). Same problem, smaller scale.

Personally, I’m a pessimist, and believe that Der Movement has already ruined a viable chance at victory.  But, we can still try. What I advocate is that the small minority of activists who are pan-Europeanists (true ones, not Nordicists trying to expand their “D’Nations” base) cut loose from Der Movement and go their own way.

Pan-Europeanists should have their own groups, groupuscules, blogs, websites, organizations, meetings, etc.  They should build a New MovementThey should be hardliners themselves – absolutely eschewing, excluding, and rejecting all Nordicists, fetishists, HBDers and other dividers.  Now, there are possible problems here.  There are so few true pan-Europeanists that there may not be a critical mass for success.  From experience, I know that Nordicists and others of similar ilk will always try to weasel their way into pan-European groups, to subvert the mission and undermine activities. Conversely, there will be pan-Europeanists who will impatiently attempt to expand their influence by accepting these other types or at least by making “alliances” with them. These dangers will exist.  But if Type II pan-Europeanists can perform better than the Type I Nutzis dancing through cemeteries with their swastika-soled boots, then they can  provide an attractive, viable alternative to the failed “movement” and to the hardline dividers to whom Silver refers. A more successful and sane movement can attract high quality people, establishing a positive feedback loop of steady and sound growth, while leaving the failed “movement” to degenerate under the weight of its own failures and insanity.

Do I think this will occur?  No. I think the swastika-soled boots crowd will dance off into the sunset, tripping over a tombstone, hurdling headlong into the grave. The majority of rank-and-file activists – including many who call themselves pan-European – are slavishly addicted to Der Movement and will not break ranks with it until it is too late to do any good.

We’re very likely doomed.  You can’t say I haven’t warned you.  You can’t say that I haven’t been (constantly) offering you an alternative.  It’s been your choice to (constantly) reject that alternative.

I’d like to make one more important point.  If pan-Europeanism is so crazy and unrealistic, then why is that that you have Nordicists – Pierce and Duke being two prominent examples – who always seem to find it necessary to pretend to be pan-European?  I alluded to one possible reason above, the desire to maximize followers and followers’ donations. But I see three more fundamental reasons for this.  

First, although authentic pan-Europeanists are relatively few, they have an influence out of proportion to their numbers.  Consider Yockey – you have the hardcore ethnonationalists of Counter-Currents always promoting Yockey and his work, and the Nordicist National Alliance is now selling Yockey’s masterpiece Imperium. And all these types have not hesitated to make use of my own work in the past.  Second, although there is a significant and very loud hardline Nordicist faction as well as Nordicist-oriented rank-and-file activists, there is also a significant, more “silent,” fraction of activists who are at least vaguely sympathetic to pan-Europeanism, and who would be a mobilizable force with better (and more genuine) leadership.  Third, the White masses already think excluding even the Jews is nutty; thus, excluding Southern and Eastern Europeans would strike many of them as completely unhinged. Many of the things that are acceptable within Der Movement’s “amen corner” would not “fly” in the broader society. I understand the difference between descriptive and prescriptive, but if the prescriptive is derived from the counter-productive obsessions of a particular hardline faction, then perhaps the prescription needs to be re-thought.

Therefore, perhaps the problem is not with pan-Europeanism, but instead derived from the fact that the American “movement” had its genesis in Nordicism and Anglocentrism, amplified by the obsessions with Hitler and Nazi race doctrine, and so these paradigms are too deeply embedded within the Old Movement to be effectively opposed from within. The same holds for Old Movement dogma outside America, with Anglocentrism being of course prominent in the Anglosphere “movement,” and Hitlerian thought being prominent among activists in “Germanic” Europe.  However, that all applies specifically to Der Movement – the Old Movement – not to society at large, and not to the nucleus of activists who could, under the right circumstances, initiate the development of a New Movement.

But, again, I’m pessimistic. 

Norman Lowell Interregnum Interview


Watch this.

I agree with Lowell in about 95% of what he says, and the other 5% are minor things that are not relevant to the main points, the main objectives. Of that 5%, I have to disagree with Lowell’s opinion of certain books and racialist leaders, and I have always stressed science and dismissed theosophy.  But those are details. I have always supported and endorsed the main tenets of Lowell’s Imperium Europa idea, and I do so once again.  He is always an effective voice of reason against the petty nationalism that infests much of “far right nationalism” in the West today.  Unfortunately, it seems like all of the websites associated with him are either no longer functioning or the domain registrations have expired. I would advise getting those back up and running.

One more point about this podcast.

When people like Leonard talk about the “Italian” language, they seem to imply that there is some long-standing and coherent Italian language that is naturally and historically spoken by all (real) Italians, but those bizarre southerners (alone) speak their own isolated dialects. The reality of course is that there have historically been different dialects throughout the Italian peninsula and islands, and one of those, Tuscan/Florentine, was used to develop a language to tie together the peoples of the nation.

Read this, emphasis added:

The standard Italian language has a poetic and literary origin in the writings of Tuscan writers of the 12th century, and, even though the grammar and core lexicon are basically unchanged from those used in Florence in the 13th century,[18] the modern standard of the language was largely shaped by relatively recent events…The language that came to be thought of as Italian developed in central Tuscany and was first formalized in the early 14th century through the works of Tuscan writer Dante Alighieri, written in his native Florentine…In addition to the widespread exposure gained through literature, the Florentine dialect also gained prestige due to the political and cultural significance of Florence at the time and the fact that it was linguistically an intermediate between the northern and the southern Italian dialects.[16]:22 Thus the dialect of Florence became the basis for what would become the official language of Italy.  Italian was progressively made an official language of most of the Italian states predating unification, slowly replacing Latin…

Milanese dialect is just as “not Italian” as is Neapolitan dialect.  There are, and historically have been, many dialects in Italy; the Florentine dialect was that which became the basis for a national language.  So, this is another issue for which the fetishists can calm down about and wipe the sweat off their foreheads.