Category: population genetics

Cultural PCA

Cultural PCA.

We are aware of principal components analysis (PCA) in population genetics (in my opinion a tool that is both grossly over-rated, and, not surprisingly, misunderstood and misused by the sweaty fetishists of Der Movement).

One can use PCA to analyze structure in variation in other metrics than genetics. What about culture – what Yockey would call High Culture or what Huntington would term Civilization?

Genetically, the first split in Europe is North/South with East/West being secondary; thus, in population genetics PCA the first axis is North/South and the second is East/West. I propose that as regards High Culture, as regards civilization, it is opposite, the first split, the first axis, is East/West and the second is North/South. Genetically, a Limey is more similar to a Russki or Hunkie than to an Afropwop or Dago; but culturally, the opposite would be the case.

For example, Yockey considered the part of Europe (Eastern Europe) that was the Warsaw Pact to be foreign to the West; to him only Western Europe (and its overseas diaspora) was the High Culture of the West   Huntington was a bit more liberal in his consideration of the West, but essentially we can contrast a Catholic/Protestant Celto-Germanic and Latin Western Europe, with a distinct civilizational history starting with the (Western) Roman Empire and the interactions between Romans (and the other peoples of Italy), Germans, Celts, Iberians, etc. and also profoundly influenced by the Renaissance and the Reformation vs. Counter-Reformation with an Orthodox/Catholic Eastern Europe, more lightly affected, or not affected at all, by those civilizational currents, and being heavily Slavic rather than Celto-Germanic and Latin, etc.  Thus, the top principal component axes of a High Culture PCA (or Cultural PCA or Civilizational PCA) for Europe are oriented different than the genetic.ones. 

Of course, just like genetic PCA, there are distances and clusters even within points on an axis; thus there are East/West differences within the North/South ends of the genetic PCA and of course North/South differences within the East/West ends of the cultural PCA (and vice versa in each case).  But that’s part and parcel of breaking down variation into principal components, the important word is principal.  Thus, the differences within each axis are the principal component in the other axis. This is of course obvious and I wouldn’t even bother mentioning it except to answer in advance the shrill protests of sweaty fetishists who’ll accuse me of stating the Limey and Afrowop cultures are equivalent.  No, they are not, but they are more similar than either is to that of say, Russkis.

Of course, from a continental, global level, these intra-European difference, both genetic and cultural, are small compared to the broader, racial differences.


One could combine various metrics and create an overall PCA plot of Identity, incorporating the various ultimate and proximate interests that constitute that Identity.  What would merge, on a global level, is a clear distinction of all Europeans from others.  Intra-European differences would of course exist, but the much greater inter-racial vs. intra-racial gulf would be clear.

Odds and Ends, 1/2/20

Various issues.

Am I a hypocrite for mocking Counter-Currents about their System-approved tax-exempt status, while at the same time promoting the idea of Democratic Multiculturalism, leveraging the System, and its multiculturalist ethos, against itself?

No, because Counter-Currents not only eschews the Democratic Multiculturalism strategy, but styles itself as the intellectual vanguard of traditionalist ethnonationalism, revolutionary National Populism,  and hardcore racialism.

This is Greg Johnson (emphasis added):

By the time the next president comes in, there will be millions of new invaders inside our borders.

Then the race war will kick off in the summer of 2021.

White Nationalists need to ask ourselves if we are going to be among the people who fought against white dispossession who declared ourselves accelerationists to own Trump and the GOP.

Which course makes it more likely we will be able to lead a genuine revolutionary National Populist movement?

Talk of “millions of new invaders” and “race war” doesn’t seem to mesh well with being a “tax-exempt foundation” that is System-approved by the IRS. Leading “a genuine revolutionary National Populist movement” is NOT the work-within-the-System Democratic Multiculturalism strategy.  So, I’m not the one being hypocritical here. That characterization fits all those tax-exempt “revolutionaries.”

The HBD-Nordicist-Race Realist alliance continues, with the anti-White Judeophilic self-described Yellow Supremacist site Amren peddling Arthur Kemp, that despicable fraud and divider of Whites. Ignore the leering Levantines and grinning Orientals behind the HBD curtain.

Some recent great moments in White history are when the findings of archaeogenetics continuously refute Kempism (with Der Movement either being mysteriously silent about it or ludicrously interpreting utter refutation as meaning “was right.”).  

Johnson tin-cupin’ in the New Year:

Remember Us in Your Will

Finally, we would like to broach a very delicate topic: your will. If you are planning your estate, please think about how you can continue helping the cause even after you are gone. The essay “Majority Estate Planning” contains many helpful suggestions.

Remember: those who fight for the Golden Age live in it today.

Greg Johnson Editor-in-Chief Counter-Currents Publishing, Ltd.

Working out in my local gym here in this Eastern European whitopia feels curiously comfortable, like it’s my own private facility.

Is Jef Costello Eastern European?  Or just your run-of-the-mull ethnoimperialist?  After all, Eastern Europeans exist only to make their masters and betters like Costello comfortable, eh?

Costello:

Everybody, in short, used to feel at home in their homelands. And everybody still has a right to that. We need to give it back to them; we need a “new world order,” a world in which “diversity” refers only to a diversity of ethnically and culturally homogeneous nation-states.

Beautiful!  Ethnonationalism!  So, Costello. Morgan, Anton, Fullmoon Ancestry, Munro, Deasy, etc. please leave Eastern Europe and/or never visit.  Farrell, please leave Italy.  Or do “ethnically and culturally homogeneous nation-states” only apply to Northwest Europe, you hypocrites?

Observation: Ethnonationalism is much like Christianity.  Lots of people profess allegiance to it, but they are unable, or unwilling, to live up to its ideals in their own private  lives. Hypocrites all.

The White Tithe –  a new variation of tin cup panhandling.

Right now, we are limited to old-fashioned mail. I’m asking each of you to send what you can to:

American Renaissance

P.O. Box 527

Oakton, VA 22124

Donations are tax-deductible.

Tax-deductible? Of course they are!  The revolutionary, radical Far Right – fighting against brutal System persecution…tax-exempt!  Tax-deductible!

Give, give, give!  What would high-IQ Chinamen do without you?  The Yellow Tithe!

OK, another prediction for 2020:  Der Movement, Inc. (a money-making enterprise) will become ever more shameless in its tin cup panhandling.

Under the Tuscan Sun

And other news.

Read this, emphasis added:

BACKGROUND:

The origin of the Etruscan civilization (Etruria, Central Italy) is a long-standing subject of debate among scholars from different disciplines. The bulk of the information has been reconstructed from ancient texts and archaeological findings and, in the last few years, through the analysis of uniparental genetic markers.

METHODS:

By meta-analyzing genome-wide data from The 1000 Genomes Project and the literature, we were able to compare the genomic patterns (>540,000 SNPs) of present day Tuscans (N = 98) with other population groups from the main hypothetical source populations, namely, Europe and the Middle East.

RESULTS:

Admixture analysis indicates the presence of 25-34% of Middle Eastern component in modern Tuscans. Different analyses have been carried out using identity-by-state (IBS) values and genetic distances point to Eastern Anatolia/Southern Caucasus as the most likely geographic origin of the main Middle Eastern genetic component observed in the genome of modern Tuscans.

CONCLUSIONS:

The data indicate that the admixture event between local Tuscans and Middle Easterners could have occurred in Central Italy about 2,600-3,100 years ago (y.a.). On the whole, the results validate the theory of the ancient historian Herodotus on the origin of Etruscans.

Let’s see:

1. That is consistent with the Etruscan sample in the Rome paper, assuming a reasonable amount of genetic continuity in non-Roman (by “Roman” here, I specifically mean the city itself, not the era) Italy.

2. This suggests that, contra Der Movement, in non-Roman Italy, certain ancestries that the fetishists ascribe to “Roman Empire-era slaves and migrants” or to “the Moops” may well have been present before the Empire, or before the Republic itself, and can be considered part of the native Italic population of pre-Roman Empire times.

3. Richard Lynn’s population genetics fantasies are undermined, and Rienzi’s riposte to “Hippocrates” in Amren supported (of course).

But, are we surprised to learn who is always, always wrong and who is always, always right?

He’s a sincere man of genuine greatness!  Do you know who should be impeached?  Greg Johnson should be impeached by the “movement.”

As I keep on saying – there is enormous room for right-wing populism in electoral politics in America,  There are plenty of “meat and potatoes” issues that can be used to rally White disaffection. Maybe Der Movement needs a bit more maturity, and fewer Quota Queens and fewer idiots screaming “Kek.”


Counter-Currents once again shilling for HBD.  You see, this is the real message the Judeophilic Yellow Supremacists want you to get (re: IQ):

Northeast Asians, including Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans, average 105, slightly higher than Europeans. Ashkenazi Jews average as high as 112 (or even higher according to some estimates).

And this is the sugar they use to make the poison more palatable:

Thus, in Europe, we find the highest intelligence in Finland and the Germanic countries (German, Dutch, Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian).

I’ve been saying that this is the HBD strategy for a long time and I’ve been proven right once again (what else is new?).


Pseudo-Hapa Bjork – who looks like Yukio Mishima’s (or David Bromstad’s) sister – is obviously of great benefit to all humanity!  By the way, this is the individual that Bjork was romantically involved with.  No doubt, Bjork’s behavior – of great, great benefit to all (all I say!) humanity – is quite “high trust.”


Andrew Fraser wanna-be Hampton:

Many reactionaries condemn America’s founding as a “Judeo-Masonic” plot or an egalitarian horror. America has always been evil and it must be destroyed to bring about the Catholic (or Evropean) imperium. This is an autistic view that many on the Dissident Right have embraced. It may make sense to some Europeans, but it dooms American identitiarians to irrelevance.

Let’s rewrite:

Many deranged fetishists condemn pan-Europeanism as an omnidominant “Mediterranean” plot or a panmictic horror. Europe to the south of Vienna and east of Berlin has always been evil and it must be destroyed to bring about the Anglo-Germanic fatherland. This is an autistic view that many on the Dissident Right have embraced. It may make sense to some sweaty Type I fetishists, but it dooms the West to irrelevance.

Counter-Currents – without a doubt the worst, and most destructive, “Far-Right” site on the Internet. 


Counter-Currents comment:

She also perpetuates Lewontin’s Fallacy: that intra-group variation exceeds inter-group variation, showing that population groupings are arbitrary or non-functional.

Der Movement, in its self-destructive “butt-hurt” (in some cases, literal no doubt) blacklisting of all things Ted Sallis, ignores that I convincingly completely refuted Lewontinism here, by actually demonstrating that ANY human group, even those randomly formed, will always demonstrate “more genetic variation within than between.” 


It’s a fact completely without meaning with respect to classification. You can take any human group – Japanese from Tokyo, red-headed Walloons from Belgium, Hottentots from Africa – divide those single groups into random smaller groupings of individuals, and there will always be “more variation within than between.” You can randomly mix any and all of those populations into a single group, and the same will hold.  And if you don’t believe it, do the calculations yourself.


Come now, Richie, as your pal Greg says, Trump is a sincere man of genuine greatness.


What Trump wants as a base. Hey, maybe those two can go to the White House and dictate policy just like West and Kardashian do.  Trump is sincere – sincere I say! – in his genuine greatness!


Hampton weeps.


More sincere and genuine greatness.

Odds and Ends, 12/24/19

Various issues.

Compare my analysis of Trump and his effect on White American EGI to this typically superficial Counter-Currents analysis:

Itʼs time to stop quibbling and rally behind our President again. Warts and all, heʼs what weʼve got and he scares our enemies, not because heʼs effective, but because his bluster is motivation to make us, as a people, more determined. Heʼs the anti-nihilism pill that they fear the most.

Dumb ideas!    Hey Zman, the entire “movement” is full of dumb ideas.  As regards, UBI, I’ve commented on this before.  In the current situation in America, UBI is a bad idea.  However, in a future more homogeneous society, one in which much employment is made superfluous by automation and artificial intelligence, some form of a citizen’s dividend will be necessary. The productivity of the future economy will need to be distributed to the populace to maintain that economy and maintain the populace itself.

More on ancestry testing; complaints on updates:

Posted byu/inspirationsensation
Anyone else’s ancestry dna update way off???
Discussion
It says I’m nearly 1/2 English but there’s no way I’m more than a quarter. My last name is English but there is hardly any English on my moms side and my paternal grandmother was Irish, German and, French. My other grandmother was 1/2 Portuguese (her mom was from sao Miguel) and, her father was a mayflower descendant and Irish. They also got rid of many other things that they originally had given me. My Iberian, Scandinavian, Europe south, caucus, European Jewish, Finnish and, North African are all gone. They even said that I have a 4th cousin in Portugal and some matches in Brazil. On my heritage I have 15 matches from Brazil and, 4 in Portugal and, even 9 in Spain. They said I’m 28.6% Iberian. Dna.land thinks I’m 10% Iberian. What happened with ancestry???? I tried explaining it to them but they insisted that there was no mix up.
peppermintplant
Mine is very off since the update (similar to you, with all of my documented ancestries from 2-5% disappearing into England, including Asian and Jewish categories), and many, many other people have reported the same. From the anecdata collected at places like DNA Detectives on Facebook and the initial responses to the update on the AncestryDNA sub, it seems like English ancestry is the main problem for users with European heritage. If you have anything more than about 8-10 percent, it overestimates it, and it tends to:
Underestimate or disappear French or German ancestry
Turn large amounts of Spanish and Italian ancestry into French or Portuguese, or small (5% or less) into Irish or disappear it altogether
Mess up analysis of and shrink other southern European ancestry
Shrink Scandinavian ancestry
There are some other problems where it seems like Ancestry just took a leap and went too specific without the tech to support it. A lot of people get Portuguese when they should have Spanish or Greek when they should have Italian, for example. The populations are too close for the algorithm to assign them correctly.
One woman on DNA Detectives posted her grandmother’s results, her mother’s and her own. Her grandmother was 100% Italian, her mother was 16% Italian and had mystery French, and she had no Italian at all but a LOT of mystery French. Both she and her mother had more English than they should, and they had no French ancestry that she knew of.

From a testing site:

While not common, some customers may also lose a small percentage region as a result of this update. One way this can happen is if that ethnicity has been re-assigned to a nearby region. This is because people from neighboring areas tend to look similar genetically.

You don’t say!

Read this.

This is a somewhat simplistic explanation for the layman, but nevertheless is useful:

This is similar to what clients are experiencing when they observe differing results in their proportion of ancestral regions between different companies, and among internal updates to reference panels that all companies will do from time to time. The fundamental genetic definitions for each of the geographies is different. Each company has its own proprietary collection of reference samples for the populations they support with samples that are probably largely unique to the company, and the numbers that support each population can vary widely.

And with these varying reference panel definitions, not unexpectedly come results that can also vary…

Ignorance is Bliss, 12/23/19

Der Movement must be very happy.

Counter-Currents comment and my riposte:

James Dunphy
Posted December 21, 2019 at 5:34 pm | Permalink
Thanks for sharing. Hindu people are very open minded about sending their kids to Catholic school. They dont have the hostility to Christianity most Jews do. The next time I see a South Asian person, I’ll wish them a Merry Christmas.

That’s the HBD thing to do. GNXP no doubt wishes all you White untouchables a very Merry Christmas!

Overall, I consider South Asians, Iranians, Turks, Cypriots and Caucasus peoples to be non-white but close to the white borderline. They are genetically closest to whites of all non-whites. 

What about Berbers?

You can see this on a principal component analysis. 

And Jews are even closer. Mazel Tov!

Together with whites they are Caucasoids, meaning they have similar skull, face, and brain characteristics. 

Even European ethnic groups and subraces differ among themselves in those metrics, idiot.

This relates to mental function in my opinion.

Your opinion is worthless.

On Myers Briggs, South Asians are closer to whites than Hispanics. They differ only on Thinker vs Feeler psychology. Whites are Feelers and South Asians Thinkers, which basically means South Asians are more rational and whites more spirited, principled etc. 

Can you believe this stupidity?

On the other traits they are nearly identical. 

Whew!  Hey, there’s no race problem!  There are over a billion near-Whites in South Asia. All they need is Matt Parrot’s “functional Whiteness” program and they’ll move into the White category.

I imagine other non-whites close to the borderline are similar to South Asians.

I imagine that you are an idiot.

Intellectually, South Asians in America don’t reflect their home nations well because their average IQ is 110 whereas in India the average IQ is I believe in the upper 80s, with it differing strongly along caste lines.

IQ!  HBD!

Overall, I’m not surprised Indians adopt Christmas or that some whites adopt Buddhism. They are close genetically, and it makes sense.

That’s what we call Der Movement Type I logic.

South Asians are not “close” to Whites (Europeans) genetically unless you mean relatively speaking compared to Sub-Saharan Africans or East Asians. Myers Briggs test results are irrelevant for genetic kinship and ethnic genetic interests, as are imbecilic speculations about alleged Hindu affinity for the Middle Eastern religion of Christianity (and is that a good thing even if true?).

This “Dunphy” seems familiar. Is this the same moron who, years ago at Majority Rights (comments section), was confusing geological ancestry with genetic ancestry and inventing a “law of halves” so he insisted that it wasn’t possible for a person to be, say, 7% of a certain ancestry – they could only be 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32, etc.?  It didn’t matter how many times it was carefully explained to him; he just couldn’t understand it.  If this is the same moron, that would explain a lot.  Do we wonder why the HBDers and fetishists have such an easy time lying to the droolcup contingent of the semi-retarded “movement?”

Watching the miniseries A Very English Scandal (*), I was impressed with Ben Whishaw’s realistic portrayal of an effeminate homosexual/bisexual.  Alas, art and life overlap:

Whishaw entered into a civil partnership with Australian composer Mark Bradshaw in August 2012.[27] In 2014, he publicly discussed his coming out, saying that it was a tense experience for him but “everyone was surprisingly lovely.”

They really like using the word “lovely,” don’t they?  Have we seen that recently elsewhere?

Homosexuality obviously has a strong biological component, the cries to the contrary from Christinsanity (not a misspelling) notwithstanding.

*A show that was a shameless shilling for gay rights and tolerance.  Further, if all the assertions there were accurate (Bessell and Carman being bisexual in addition to Thorpe), then one wonders how widespread homosexuality was in the post-WWII (and pre-WWII for that matter) English/British elite. You know, the folks who sold out their racial patrimony in the most disgusting lickspittle fashion (emphasis added):

Jeremy Thorpe was one of the most talented politicians of postwar Britain. Elected to Parliament in 1959 at the age of thirty, he was an advocate for liberal causes (small and capital “L”), including the abolition of capital punishment, increased immigration from the Commonwealth, proportional representation in elections, and British membership in the European Economic Community (forerunner to the European Union). One of the most impassioned parliamentary critics of white minority rule in South Africa and Rhodesia, Thorpe was an outspoken supporter of sanctions on both these formerly British territories; he even advocated bombing the latter after its illegal Unilateral Declaration of Independence.

The Big Lie

First, meet Terentius Neo.  Then we’ll get to the other lies.

The usual suspects in Der Movement (e.g., Kemp) have used the portrait of Terentius Neo to pontificate about non-European admixture in Roman Italy from “slaves and immigrants.” The usual paradigm is that Neo’s appearance reflects alien ancestry while his (assumed) wife reflects “native Roman-Italian ancestry.”  Evidence of such ancestries?  It is just that the fetishists “eyeball” the fresco and make a judgment based on their personal opinion?

Let’s consider what we know about this Neo family.  Emphasis added:

The fresco depicts a pair of middle-class Pompeians believed to be man and wife. Terentius Neo was a baker as the house had been modified to include a bakery, and the portrait shows the couple as equal members of a confident and fashionable mercantile class. The man wears a toga, the mark of a Roman citizen, and holds a rotulus, suggesting he is also involved in local public and/or cultural events. The woman is in the foreground and holds a stylus and wax tablet, emphasising that she is of equal status, educated and literate.

Neo was a Roman citizen during a time when the citizenship was not universal (the destruction of Pompeii was almost 150 years before the Edict of Caracalla).  Could he have been the son of a freedman?  Possibly, but what possible reason to assume so except that the Kempians don’t like his physical appearance? He was not only a citizen, and a professional for that era, but also someone likely “involved in local public and/or cultural events.” That does not prove anything, but it certainly is not inconsistent with being of native stock.  Or is the “Neo” that makes one assume a freedman assumed a Roman name?

See this.  Someone on the Internet vacillates between asserting a Samnite origin (native Italic stock) and about Neo being a freedman – a freedman in the first century AD who is not only a Roman citizen but is also likely involved in “local public and/or cultural events.” The Samnite hypothesis – itself speculation – seems more plausible. Indeed, it seems like the main rationale for speculating about an exotic origin here, besides the speculation about the name, is the idea that “gee, Terentius Neo doesn’t look like all those Anglo-Saxon actors playing Ancient Romans in the movies and on TV.” 

Bottom line – we don’t know the origins of the man (or his supposed wife, for that matter – maybe he’s the native and she’s the alien?  He could be a freedman, but it seems unlikely that a freedman would be a publicly active Roman citizen in the first century AD.  Was he the son of a freedman?  Anything is possible, but if the only criterion is – “he doesn’t look like Charlton Heston playing Marc Antony,” then that’s not good enough.  For all we know, he was a native Italic.

Putting aside the ethnoracial provenance of Terentius Neo, there’s a more fundamental issue here.

The typical “movement” paradigm has been that the original peoples of Italy, including (and especially) the Romans, were fairer and “more northern” (Nordic) compared to modern Italians, thought to be darker and “more Mediterranean” due to “admixture with Afro-Asiatic “slaves and immigrants.”  

However, what if the opposite is true?  What if modern Italians, particularly North and Central (where the Germanic influx from late Antiquity through the Middle Ages was greatest), are actually fairer and “more northern” than the ancients? Even in the South, to a lesser extent, this may be true as well, given Norman inputs.

The Normans expanded from northern France to a number of regions, including Sicily and the southern portion of the Italian Peninsula (and even sacked the city of Rome in 1084), where they established the Kingdom of Sicily (3, 36).

Then there were the earlier Vandal invasions, and the settlement of Sicily by mainland Italians, including North Italians, as well as other Europeans, after the Muslim population was relocated to the mainland after the Morabit rebellion and its aftermath.  The key point is the possibility that the ancients were actually “darker and more Mediterranean” than the moderns, rather than the reverse. Let’s consider my summary of the functional gene analysis from the Roman genetic paper:

Figure S29 gives functional allele frequency data, which mirrors the general genetic data. For example, throughout most of Roman history, lactase persistence is low, and increases only toward the end periods, starting with Late Antiquity, precisely those periods that have samples exhibiting the most haplotype sharing with “Central and Northern Europe.” Blue eye color was highest in the earliest (Mesolithic) and latest (Late Antiquity and Medieval and Early Modern) Roman periods; Iron Age/Republic and the Imperial periods look similar.  Hair color was not studied.

The three skin pigmentation graphs show varying line curves, but the trend is lighter skin as one progresses through time, rather than the reverse – the fairest seems to be the Late Antiquity/Middle Ages period – there certainly does not seem to be any differences between Iron Age/Republic and Empire, apart from the previously mentioned trend that goes against “movement” dogma.


The functional data, combined with the ancestry data, are compatible with the idea that the ancients were at least as “dark and Mediterranean” as the moderns, if not more so.  There is zero evidence for the reverse – Der Movement’s idea of the ancients being “fairer and more Nordic.”  

These posts about Rome, Napoleon, etc., we have seen here and at Western Destiny recently, although interesting in their own right, are more a means to an end rather than an end in themselves. And that end is the deconstruction of the “movement,” to expose Der Movement, Inc. as intellectually, factually, morally, spiritually bankrupt, as a conglomeration of liars, grifters, sweaty fetishists, and pseudoscientists unable to ever admit being wrong, a stronghold of ineffective incompetents, affirmative action cases who hide their ineptness and intellectual vacuity behind a screen of slogans and fossilized dogma. The “movement” is a pathetic failure, a bunch of frauds and liars, and all of you should eschew it and help build a New Movement.

That’s the end.  All these posts are the means to that end.

Meanwhile, all you Type I Nutzis will continue getting lied to, and you’ll believe it all.

You will be told that Blacks have higher serum testosterone than Whites and other races, even though peer-reviewed scientific studies prove otherwise. You will be told that the Ancient Romans, Greeks, and even Egyptians (!) were Nordic, even though ancient DNA studies continue to disprove those ahistorical inventions. You will be told that Rome collapsed because of “racial degeneration” so that the people “didn’t know how the big stone thingy worked anymore,” while the reality is that as the Western Empire declined and fell the genetics of Rome moved in a more “northern” and “western” direction and that the “big stone thingy” was working fine until the Germans came in, destroyed the Western Empire, and plunged Europe into a centuries-long Dark Ages (and it is only in this post-Roman period, that was German-ruled, that we find a lack of piped water). You’ll be told that the original Romans were individualistic northern hunter-gatherers even though the genetic data suggests a mostly Neolithic farmer ancestry and an overall Mediterranean (mostly West Mediterranean but with some Central and East Mediterranean components) racial provenance.  The fact that the height of power of the Empire was associated with a shift in the genetics of Rome to the “south” and “east” (I’m not saying that this shift was good, it is true that maladaptive population replacement took place within the city of Rome itself and in immediately surrounding areas, but I’m just reporting the historical and genetic facts) is something the “movement” will NOT tell you. They will lie to you about individualism and collectivism in Europe, confuse amoral familism with collectivism, and tell you one minute that Sweden is highly individualistic and in the next minute that it is a collectivist “unimind” with a “shame culture.”  You will be told that Rushton is a truth-telling hero, while his fellow HBDer Dutton (himself a buffoon who calls others neurotic while he behaves like a semi-retarded five year old with attention deficit disorder) admits that Rushton was a fraud and a hypocrite. Lynn will lie to you about IQ with his absurd and unscientific “estimates,” while being out-argued by an African. You will be told that everyone on the Far Right was part of the Alt Right and all blindly supported Trump, even though I was openly attacking the Alt Right and calling Trump a “vulgar ignorant buffoon” and a “Negrophilic race cuck” as far back as 2016. You will see the “movement” agonize over MENA admixture in Southern Europe while either ignoring North Asian/Siberian/East Asian admixture in Northern Europe or labeling the latter as “a great benefit to all humanity.” It is LIE after LIE after LIE, distortion after distortion, endless fraud and grifting – they even have the nerve to lie to you that the only thing the “movement” needs is money, after wasting millions of dollars given to them by suckers like you.

It is THE BIG LIE.

And you’ll only see it exposed here.

Ward-Perkins: The Fall of Rome

Who killed civilization and what happened next?

Quote from Amazon review:

Why did Rome fall?

Vicious barbarian invasions during the fifth century resulted in the cataclysmic end of the world’s most powerful civilization, and a ‘dark age’ for its conquered peoples. Or did it? The dominant view of this period today is that the ‘fall of Rome’ was a largely peaceful transition to Germanic rule, and the start of a positive cultural transformation.

Bryan Ward-Perkins encourages every reader to think again by reclaiming the drama and violence of the last days of the Roman world, and reminding us of the very real horrors of barbarian occupation. Attacking new sources with relish and making use of a range of contemporary archaeological evidence, he looks at both the wider explanations for the disintegration of the Roman world and also the consequences for the lives of everyday Romans, in a world of economic collapse, marauding barbarians, and the rise of a new religious orthodoxy. He also looks at how and why successive generations have understood this period differently, and why the story is still so significant today

That very well summarizes the book; having read it, I strongly recommend it (you should be reading on this subject other than retarded “movement” propaganda), and would like to make some points about it here. The book is broadly divided into three parts. First, a historical overview, with the author’s opinions and interpretations as to what happened and why, and also insights into the cross-assimilation process between the defeated Romans and their new German masters. Second, a detailed analysis of the physical evidence for an actual catastrophic Fall, an end to civilization, and the suffering that spread in its wake. Third, a brief summary, with a final warning that what happened to the Romans in their complacency could happen to “our” current civilization (I put “our” in scare quotes because it has already been subverted by aliens – we are already in the process of a Fall).

The author is a self-described “Englishman,” and, although “he was born and raised in Rome and spoke Italian from childhood,” he explicitly states in his book that, personally, he dislikes the Ancient Romans. That is an odd thing for a historian to state about a people he is writing about, but, if he is sincere in that statement, and there is no reason to believe otherwise, then that demonstrates that he is not a shabbos nord stepandfetchit pandering to swarthoids. He is merely writing what he believes is the truth, based on his research. 

One negative about the book to get out of the way – the author writes: “There is no reason to believe, as people once did, that ethnic behavior and identity are genetically transmitted, and therefore immutable.” There is actually every reason to believe that, at least in the sense that a significant portion of identity is determined by biological affiliation and that much of behavior is genetically transmitted; where I part with Der Movement (apart from its constantly disproved dogma on such subjects) is with the idea that this is completely deterministic at the level of being 100% genetic. Phenotype is the combination of both genes and the environment; both are important (genes being more so), and the relative contributions of each inform as to whether the phenotype is mutable or immutable.

Another interesting and amusing part of the book is when the author describes how perceptions of the Fall of Rome have been shaped by ethnic and political considerations.  Thus, Italians and other “Latin” peoples tend to view the Fall of the Western Empire as a catastrophe, with savage and ignorant Germanic barbarians toppling civilization and ushering in a Dark Age. On the other hand, Northern Europeans, particularly Germanics, including the Anglosphere, propose the idea of “a largely peaceful transition to Germanic rule, and the start of a positive cultural transformation.”  And when, in the past, Germanics agreed that the Fall was traumatic, they asserted that it was all for the good, with one German philosopher quoted, with all the sweatiness of a typical Type I Nutzi, about how vigorous northerners rejuvenated Italy by toppling the enervated dwarfish Roman stock (one can imagine Humphrey Ireland as a Goth warrior, furiously attempting to stomp two foot tall scurrying Roman swarthoids, or Greg Johnson envisioning manlet Tom Cruise as an enervated Roman dwarf). On the other hand, the Scottish historian William Robertson lamented the destruction of civilization that resulted from the barbarian destruction of the Western Empire, and then there is Gibbon.

Politically, the view of modern Germans informs opinions on this matter; when WWI and WWII was fresh in people’s minds, the idea of rampaging barbarians was at the forefront, but with today’s more peaceful and influential (and cucked) Germany, the “peaceful transition” idea has more adherents. The author quotes harsh evaluations of the Germanic invaders by English and French scholars during the 1930s and in the immediate post-WWII period. 


More interestingly, the author claims that today’s pro-Germanic paradigms about the “peaceful transformation of the Roman world,” with the consequent prioritization of Late Antiquity, is being used by European Union elites to legitimize their German-dominated globalist construct.  Further, the de-emphasis of Greco-Roman culture is part and parcel of modern anti-Western politically correct “scholarship.” This is all consistent with my longstanding thesis that the System leverages Nordicism to prop up the anti-White multicultural system, not only by dividing Whites but, perhaps more importantly, pandering to Northern European sensibilities by making anti-White constructs such as the EU, and the equation (or dominance) of other cultures – including non-White ones – with that of the Classical Civilization (thus undermining the foundations of the West [regardless of Spengler and Yockey]), more palatable. Similarly, I have argued that HBD occasionally panders to Nordicism in order to make palatable memes that have as their objective raising Jews and Asians to dominance over Whites. The HBD-Nordicism (combination of both paradigms) peddled by MacDonald – with its lies about Rome – is part of this (even though that’s not his intention, the outcome is the same).

The authors’ idea is that modeling the EU on the Roman Empire would leave out much of Northern Europe, but a German-dominated Late Antiquity period serves as an effective model for today’s German-dominated EU. Perhaps in a sense the EU elites are correct given Ward-Perkins’ thesis of Late Antiquity being associated with “the end of civilization.” This time it is the Western Civilization that is ending, with the same ethnic drivers of this catastrophe as with the end of the Classical Civilization. The first time as tragedy; the second time as farce.  In any case, the author of this book looks at the evidence and concludes that the catastrophe scenario is more accurate; the “peaceful transition” hypothesis is effectively falsified.

The author claims that the Eastern Empire survived while the West collapsed because of better geographical protections – the thin band of sea separated Europe from Asia, which allowed for the protection of Constantinople and the richer areas of Asia Minor and the Levant.  In any case, as I have written before, if Der Movement wants to blame biology for the Fall, and not other reasons and circumstances, how would they explain the survival of the  more “racially degenerate” (from a European standpoint) East?  If they invoke non-biological considerations, such as that put forth by the author, is it possible that such considerations apply to the West as well?  It is of course theoretically possible that the West collapsed for biological reasons (but remember that genetically the Western Empire was becoming more “northern” and “western” at that time) and the East survived for non-biological reasons, but it is more likely, and less cherry picking of explanations, to consider all of the practical reasons for the Fall without imposing “movement” dogma on it, and a desire to make self-serving racial analogies between then and now.  I also point out that the author is of the school that claims that the Western Empire was not in terminal decline when it fell, and was still powerful, albeit troubled. 

The author makes an interesting conclusion about Roman-German cross-assimilation after the Fall.  Thus, he writes: “…both groups moved ‘upwards’: the Romans into the political identity of their German masters; the Germanic peoples into the more sophisticated cultural framework of their Roman subjects.” Thus, the “Roman” population of various regions eventually (politically, and eventually ethnically, as those boundaries dissipated) identified as “Visigoths” or “Franks” (and in Italy, became “Italian” or identified with more local identities, so that only the inhabitants of Rome itself identified as “Roman”); meanwhile, the Germans attempted to adopt much of the “sophisticated cultural framework” of the civilization that they destroyed. Thus, the Romans politically became German and the Germans culturally tried to become Roman. This of course contrasts with much of “movement” propaganda of culturally pure noble Germanics sweeping aside all traces of degenerate Roman culture and civilization.  

However, despite the eagerness of some of the Germans – at least the rulers – to co-opt aspects of Roman civilization, they were not did not have the capability to sustain any of it long term, and the physical destruction (material, economy, contacts, the broader aspects of the Roman network) of the Western Empire by the Germans, which the author chronicles in great detail in the second half of the book, meant that no continuance of the Classical Civilization, of Roman culture, was possible.  Indeed, Der Movement likes to tell us that only the people who create a culture and a civilization can maintain it; thus, the descent into the interregnum of the Dark Ages after the German conquest of Rome was inevitable by the Der Movement’s own dogma. Of course, that suggests that, whatever demographic changes took place among the urban masses of the city of Rome itself, the overall Empire, and its leadership, was sufficiently stable, demographically speaking, in a broad sense, to maintain Roman culture until that culture and its civilization was killed, in the West, by the invading Germans. So, while the political assimilation of Romans into the Germanic identity was successful at least in some areas of Western Europe (for as long as those Germanic identities existed in those regions, before becoming superseded by more modern national identities), the cultural assimilation of Germans to Roman culture failed, at least initially. Only after the full cross-assimilation between the two groups (that took many centuries) did a rebirth of civilization become possible.

Indeed, one (most palatable for Der Movement, eh?) of the possible alternative histories broached by the authors, was of a continuance of the Western Roman Empire (in perhaps shrunken form). but under Germanic leadership, rather than of a collapse of that Empire. But that didn’t happen, did it?  The closest thing to a (very brief) revival was the Byzantine (the “degenerate” East) reconquest of Italy during the sixth century Gothic war – and the natives of Italy were so obviously pro-Byzantine that the embittered Goths massacred Italian civilians, including 300 aristocratic Roman children that were held hostage. Goths and Romans as “natural friends,” eh Jordanes?  (Apparently, “movement” lies existed as early as the sixth century AD).

Later of course, the synthesis between the contributions of the North and the South of (Western) Europe led to the creation of the Western Civilization (as Yockey recognized), although of course some in the “movement” believe otherwise.

The author contrasts the paradigm of “Romans politically becoming Germans and the Germans culturally becoming Romans” to that of the Arab conquest of MENA areas, in which the conquered peoples not only adopted the political identity of “Arab” but also adopted the Islamic culture of their conquerors.  The difference, as the author asserts, is that the Arabs conquered in the name of the militant new faith, while the “culturally flexible” Germans came with no cultural agenda; instead, they wanted to partake of the riches of Rome.  The author makes clear that the Germans did not intend to destroy the Empire but to exploit it, but destroy it they did; as the author puts it, they were guilty of manslaughter, not murder (lack of homicidal intention).

The second part of the book is an impressive, albeit somewhat dry (unless you are very interested in potsherds and such things), accounting of the physical evidence of the collapse of civilization, and the resulting drastic drop in living standards consequent to that. The physical structure of the Western Roman Empire was wrecked by the German conquest – and that applies to the entire Empire, even to those areas abandoned before the final Fall, Britain for example.  The author writes: “It may be hard to believe, but post-Roman Britain in fact sank to a level of economic complexity well below that of the pre-Roman Iron Age.” The author states that the (relatively) sophisticated economy of the Roman world destroyed small-scale autarkic local economies, and made everyone dependent on highly specialized interacting large-scale networks, which were very vulnerable to disruption. Hence, we observe the collapse of this highly integrated and specialized economy and the long period (many centuries) of rebuilding required to get back to least partly to what was present before. The author makes the obvious analogies to the highly specialized “Western” economies of today, which are equally vulnerable to disruption.

Of relevance to that, let us remember what the odious scum Zman wrote about Rome, accompanied by my replies:

Zman: …started to think about those people living in the Roman Empire wondering why the water no longer comes from the big stone thingy anymore. 

Sallis: Because invading Germans wrecked them?

Zman: Some may have remembered their ancestors working on them for some reason, but they no longer recall why. 

Sallis: What bullshit.  When the water stopped running, it was because the city was sacked by, and later mismanaged by, the Holy Ones.

Zman: The people who knew how and why those aqueducts worked were long gone. No one was around who could figure out how to make them work again, because they lacked the capacity to do it.

Sallis: Absolute, raging bullshit.  The water stopped flowing after the fall of the empire. Who was running the show then?  Maybe folks who never built aqueducts in the first place. Odoacer: “What’s that big stone thingy?  Can my horse drink out of it?” Hey, Zman, take your Kempian lies back to “Lagos.” By the way, the “Lagos” joke is so stale by now it’s starting to stink like one of Zman’s South Asians.

Of course – surprise! – Sallis is right and Der Movement is wrong.  If one mantra, one paradigm, one meme can summarize Der Movement, Inc. it would be this – wrong, wrong, they’re ALWAYS wrong.

If anyone is to blame for the “big stone thingies” not working any more, it were the Holy Germans. Put that in your pipe and smoke it in “Lagos,” Zman, you insufferable idiot.  Indeed, the author specifically states a lack of evidence that in post-Roman Italy that rural and urban homes lacked the “under-floor heating and piped water” present in Roman times.  Piped water, Zman, which disappeared after your Holy Ones wrecked the Empire.

Whatever the faults of the later Roman Empire – and it had faults aplenty (as did the Roman Republic by the way, as did NS Germany, as did colonial America, as did, or does, every polity in history, albeit in different manners and to different extents – one cannot compare 1950s America to Idi Amin’s Uganda), it still was working, it still had civilization, it was still a working state with a higher standard of living, and technics, than the surrounding peoples. No, Zman, they didn’t forget how those “big stone thingies” worked.  No, the “big stone thingies” didn’t just stop running water.  Yes, it was your Germanic tribal heroes who wrecked everything, as Ward-Perkins – no swarthoid he – has pointed out in exquisite detail.

The genetics of Rome in the late periods – decline, fall, post-fall – when all those “big stone thingies” stopped working according to Zman, was moving in the “western” and “northern” directions.  Indeed, the settlement of Germans in Italy and the abovementioned assimilation no doubt explains much of these genetic shifts during this period, as well as pre-Fall immigration and political and military participation, and some assimilation even then (The Vandal-Roman hybrid Stilicho as an example).

The last part of the book summarizes the evidence and gives the warning described near the beginning of this essay, with the author saying that we can experience the same collapse in our complacency as the Romans did in theirs.  It’s already happening.

To summarize the main thesis of this book: There was no “gradual evolution” of the Western Roman Empire after the fall. It was crushed, ended, and there was an interregnum of the Dark Ages. You may say, hey, it ended one tired civilization and brought forth a newer, more vibrant Western civilization (Spengler saying that the Classical and the Western are two separate entities – let’s assume that for now, although one can argue both ways). True, but the same outcome could have been achieved, with less horror and without the long interregnum of backwardness, if the “gradual evolution” actually occurred, as I wrote:

Was the destruction of the Western Roman Empire by the Germans good or bad?  If we take the traditional (and “movement”) view that the (later) empire was completely degenerate, then it was undoubtedly good; however, if we take the view, discussed above, that the later Western Empire was actually more morally sound than it ever was, then the question becomes more interesting.

Rather than frame it in the form of “good” vs. “bad” perhaps a counterfactual analysis would be useful.  What if the Roman Empire, the Western Empire, was able to act from a position of strength in the fourth and fifth centuries AD to reform the European situation to one of a power-sharing confederation mode? What if Rome has won the Battle of Adrianople, and had corrected certain deficiencies and regained some degree of vigor.  What if a wise Emperor had realized that maintenance of a far-flung centralized Empire was no longer feasible (note that the division into Western and Eastern halves was the beginning of this realization) and had reformed the Empire into a Confederation of Peoples – Romans, Germans, Gauls – with cooperation, considerable local autonomy and various common objectives (e.g., eastward expansion, defense against the Huns [Chalons as a crude example of what was possible], etc.).  That may have been unworkable given the attitudes of people of that time; on the other hand, the Gauls were Romanized after exhibiting such resistance centuries before; and, and, at this time, the Germans were no longer the same “barbarians” as in the past, some degree of “Romanization” had taken place, at least to an indirect degree. 

Rome could have at some point attempted to cut its losses, preserve itself as an independent “Mediterranean” power, and come to an accommodation with other European peoples.

Would that have hastened the development of the West, bypassing the Dark Ages?  Or would it have inhibited the development of the West by preserving the fossilized remnants of the Classical past its expiration date?  These are all interesting questions, ones that are never asked by a (itself fossilized) “movement” steeped in inflexible dogma.”

And then we have this:

We can consider the 1942 classic The Roman Commonwealth by English historian Ralph Westwood Moore. With respect to the idea that Rome went from a virtuous city-state to a degenerate empire, Moore classified that as a “pious myth” and further stated: “Morality in the large sense was a thing which Rome achieved as she grew, not a Garden of Eden from which her destiny expelled her or a state of innocence from which she fell.”  Blasphemy!  That doesn’t accord with “movement” dogma so it must be wrong, wrong, wrong – or Moore was secretly Moori, a swarthoid with a Medish agenda!

The point of this essay is not to mimic the “movement” (in the opposite direction) and take sides in ancient conflicts. The Goths and other Germans may have wrecked the Classical Civilization but they were instrumental in founding the modern “Faustian” Western High Culture – Western Civilization.  The point of the essay is merely to demonstrate to readers that there is genuine scholarship on these subjects and you do have to depend on the “movement’s” retarded dogma. The “movement’s” cartoonish view of noble godlike Germans and degenerate devilish Romans needs to be eschewed. The lies about the “degeneracy” of the Roman Empire and the changing demographics need to be interpreted in the light of facts, including that the maximal corruption of Late Antiquity and the subsequent Fall of the Western Empire took place at precisely the same time that the genetics of Rome were moving more in the “high trust northern hunter-gatherer” direction. We need to consider serious scholarship.  Shameless liars like Kemp and MacDonald peddle falsehoods about Rome to push their radical Nordicism, but you are not obligated to digest that nonsense as long as real scholarship exists to set the record straight.