Category: sexual behavior

What’s Good for the Danish Goose is Good for the Iranian-Armenian Gander?

And other stupidity from Counter-Currents and the rest of Der Movement.

Remember when Johnson was attacking Roosh for being an aggressive “player” doing sex tourism throughout Europe, particularly Eastern Europe? 

Thus, Johnson wrote (*):

How can White Nationalists extol Eastern Europe as the most racially and culturally healthy part of the white world and condone the kind of man who treats it as a cheap brothel?

So, how does this differ from the likes of “Fullmoon Ancestry” – revered writer for Counter-Currents (never mind Anton, another of the same)?

Ahh…you see, while Roosh is Iranian-Armenian, and thus not derived of European ethnic ancestry, Mr. Fullmoon is “proudly Danish.”

But here we see a problem. That distinction might make sense (**) if Johnson and Counter-Currents consistently took a very broad, pan-racial, civilizational view of human differences. In that case, let’s call it the von Hoffmeister perspective, ethnic Danes scouring Eastern Europe for native women to “date” is intra-racial and hence acceptable, while an Iranian-Armenian doing the same is inter-racial and is not. Thus, this views says Europeans are fungible, while Roosh is the outsider.

But, alas, Counter-Currents is a leading defender of extreme ethnonationalism – indeed praising and defending petty nationalism.

Very well. However, if we want to focus primarily on highlighting and preserving the distinctiveness of different European nations and peoples, then we need to agree that Danes are different from, and distinct from Ukrainians or Balts or Hungarians or Poles or Balkanoids or whatever. You may say that in a relative sense they’re closer than Iranians or Armenians, but they are still different, and the ethnonationalists – the petty nationalist extreme ethnonationalists championed by Johnson – would want to stress the need for homogeneity, sovereignty, and preservation of the different European peoples as they exist today.

In that sense, it is as morally and ethically correct to condemn the sexual tourism of ethnic aliens like Fullmoon (and Anton) as it is ethnic/racial aliens like Roosh.  

And yet not only does Counter-Currents not condemn the ethnically invasive, ethnoimperialist sex tourism of Fullmoon and others of his ilk, but gives it a proud forum on the site, giving advice to others about using Eastern Europe as their brothel.

You see, ethnonationalism is so very, very good, and so very, very natural and optimal that none of its promoters can actually practice its tenets in their own private lives. Whether it’s Fullmoon using Eastern Europe as his brothel or John Morgan using Budapest as his “crash pad,” other people’s nations and women are ripe for the taking.

And then they get hysterical over Bang Poland.  

Disgusting hypocrites.

Either you believe in petty nationalism or you do not.

Executive Summary: The type of petty nationalism espoused by Johnson is not practical in today’s world. No one really wants it – least of all the petty nationalists themselves, who cannot get enough of exploiting other people’s nations.

Johnson trying to pathologize criticism of his grifting dishonesty.

Johnson strikes a devastating blow against Andrew Joyce!  Pathetically petty.

OK Millennial:

Like any big bad internet racist xenophobe sexist holocaust-denying huwite supremist worth his salt, I…am somewhat doglike in my behavior. I am inattentive and easily distracted, especially by commotion, strongly territorial and argumentative when I find my territory threatened, I use my nose for orientation far more than the average human, I get a little nutty and act out if I do not get my daily walk and I have a touch of the extreme omnivore about me — I have yet to eat a sock, but I haven’t ruled it out.

Read this.  As MacDonald will say – cue the Vikings.  Cue the fetishists.  Always wrong, always humiliated by reality.

Notes:

*Johnson:

I despise moralistic ninnies and shit-stirrers who advance the premise that we can’t cooperate politically with anyone if we wouldn’t want to share a pup tent or take a shower with them.

I don’t know, I myself don’t think about male Internet celebrities and activists as people who I may want to “take a shower” with.  Or “share a pup tent” with.  Rather odd, wouldn’t you say?

**But even there I would not defend hedonistic sex tourism, even for exact co-ethnics.  I also don’t condone it for those who sexually exploit Southeast Asian nations – including some “White activists” who do so.

Anti-Mishima

Joyce essay.

Given my own take on the Yukio Mishima fetishism on the Far Right, I was intrigued to read Andrew Joyce’s own excellent “take down” of the Mishima myth.

I very strongly urge you to read the whole thing.  A few excerpts (emphasis added) and my own comments to these:

According to Henry Scott Stokes, in my opinion Mishima’s best biographer as well as being the only Westerner invited to his funeral, almost as soon as Mishima was born his grandmother (Natsuko) “resolved to take personal responsibility for his upbringing and virtually kidnapped the little boy from his mother,” raising the child almost entirely in her sickroom. Natsuko brought up Mishima “as a little girl, not as a boy,” and he was forced to stay inside, was prohibited with playing with most of his environment, and was told to be almost completely silent due to his grandmother’s complaints of constant head pain. After some years, his mother was permitted to take him outside, but only when there was no wind.There is some suggestion that he was beaten, or otherwise severely psychologically abused, with the result that he suffered a sequence of psychosomatic illnesses involving the retention of urine. There is also some suggestion of sexual abuse or “obscene” treatment at the hands of his grandmother’s nurse. Quasi-incestuous closeness in indicated by his later description of his grandmother as a “true-love sweetheart”, and on his death his mother described him as her “lover.” Mishima was generally regarded by those around him as “an unusually delicate child.”

I have read about male-to-female transgenders who regretted their choices (in one case leading to reversal of sex-assignment surgery), and a common theme is their childhood feminization by female relatives or female friends of the family. Those people were White; Mishima was Japanese. Thus, the female urge to ruin and destroy masculinity – even at the maladaptive cost of ruining their own male relatives – seems to be a cross-racial characteristic. Hail MGTOW!

By contrast, as a homosexual, Mishima nurtured fantasies of himself as a member of an elitist minority.

We can think of a number of “movement” “leaders” and “activists” for whom that description fits as well.

One could add speculations that Mishima’s military fantasies were an extension of his sexual fixations, including a possible attempt to simply gain power over a large number of athletic young men. But this would be laboring an all-too-obvious point.

The Mannerbund awaits!

Fuse explains that suicide in Japan essentially originates from a servile position within a highly anxious and neurotic society.

After the Schettino incident, HBDers like Brand and Ray pinned the blame on “anxiety” and “neuroticism” among Italians.  Of course, being HBDers (and Brand married to his own “Rosie”), the extreme anxiety and neuroticism among East Asians is ignored.

Durocher comments “You’re either the kind of boy who is challenged, energized, and inspired by this sort of film, or perhaps you’re not a boy,” which I can only regard as laden with irony given that the film’s subject was raised as a girl and once remarked, on being expected to act like a boy: “the reluctant masquerade had begun.”

Durocher attempts to normalize his own Asiaphilic HBD fetishism and pathologize those who refuse to kowtow before the Altar of Asia.

We come back to the central questions of how and why Yukio Mishima should be relevant to us. No answers can be found in the life, politics and actions of a figure not only non-European and profoundly un-fascistic, but who was also strangely un-Japanese. I contend that there is simply nothing genuine to learn from him, and few people who have written in support of Mishima can point to anything tangible beyond the amorphous outlines of the Mishima Myth and a film heavy on style and low on authenticity. There is no single piece of text, no treatise, and no piece of authenticity beyond a final, radically un-European and sadomasochistically-inspired act of self-destruction and death-embracing nihilism. Mishima’s monarchism was servile and parodic, his militarism homoerotic, disingenuous and ludicrous, and his death-as-political-statement was psychosexual and ultimately lacking in logic. Otomo is probably correct in viewing the coup attempt more as a sexually inspired method of “politicising art rather than expressing a belief in ultra-nationalism.”

The question thus arises as to whether associating ourselves with such a figure, surely a clownish homoerotic wignat in today’s vernacular, brings more positives or negatives, both within the Dissident Right and within broader considerations of “optics” or public image. In particular, we should question whether we want to place our politics in a nexus that involves, to borrow the terminology of the Japan scholar Susan Napier, “the interrelationship between homosexuality, politics, and the peculiar form of violence-prone psychosexual nihilism from which Mishima suffered.” I’d argue in the negative.

Very good. 

Two brief criticisms of Joyce’s piece.  First, as these guys always do, Joyce is careful not to offend a “movement” figure that he had no prior “beef” with; thus, he grovels a bit to Durocher:

I rate Durocher’s work very highly…Much as I was intrigued by Durocher’s piece… (which is suitably measured in the assessment of Mishima’s fiction)…In the following essay, I offer not necessarily a rebuttal or rebuke of Durocher…

As my forthcoming essay on Greg Johnson will make clear, “movement” “activists” who have a “standing” or the possibility of a “standing” in Der Movement – that is, people, who, like Joyce, are of “acceptable” Northwest European ancestry – need to be skilled at the political game if they are to advance their interests and maintain their status of “leadership.”  Despite that the HBD-Nordicist Durocher is an incompetent and obsessive hack, a gaslighting liar, and a writer for a Jew site, Joyce states differently.  Of course, Joyce may actually differ from me in his opinion of Durocher (after all, they both have Nordicist tendencies, even if Joyce seems less enthused by Jew-loving and Asian-loving HBD), but, no doubt, Joyce sees no advantage in taking Le Grand Frog to task for his many deficiencies.

The second criticism is that Joyce concentrates on Mishima’s homosexual sadomasochism, but ignores themes of heterosexual sadomasochism, such as Kyoko’s House.  As the latter is a key toward understand the White embrace of both HBD and of Silk Road White nationalism, any comprehensive analysis of Mishima’s work must understand it. It also sheds light on Mishima himself, given the details of his childhood as outlined by Joyce.

Gaslighting Greg:

Greg Johnson

Posted January 7, 2020 at 10:12 am | Permalink

I think that if Iran were nuked, Jews would be lynched from the lampposts of New York City. Their power is ocean wide but very shallow. The smart ones know that. But it would not be the first time they overreached. But such a course as you describe would not be a carefully calculated one but a gamble or a blunder.

This is hysterical nonsense.  True, if Iran were “nuked” there would be significant social and political repercussions in America (probably only lasting until the next football game, though), but does any sane person really believe that “Jews would be lynched from the lampposts of New York City.”  Why, oh why, do all you nitwits out there support Johnson?

Greg Johnson

Posted January 7, 2020 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

Groyperism is just the flavor of the month. Fuentes’ MO is to tear down the movement to build his own cult of personality. He can do that for a while, because a huge part of the movement consists of bored online nihilists who want to join the latest sociopath’s cult of personality. But fundamentally selfish people can’t build anything that lasts. It didn’t last for Spencer and it won’t last for Fuentes. After trashing people’s lives like a tornado ripping through a trailer park, Fuentes will crash and burn, and his followers will move on.

Johnson is less a tornado than a chronic disease, like a cancer.  He’s here for the long haul, and Der Movement is being terminally sickened by him.

Marry Your Own Kind?

Lies and hypocrisy.

Here we see an article that perfectly reflects the HBD-Nordicist-ethnoimperialist alliance, an article that perfectly encapsulates HBD lies, pseudoscientific ignorance, and rank hypocrisy.  Excerpts, emphasis added:

We can marry whomever we want. Anti-miscegenation laws are gone, and social norms have been relaxed. “Empowered” women, sexual liberation, and lesbianism mean there are fewer white women available or desirable as wives. White men are looking elsewhere, especially to Asian women.

Especially for the Alt Right, eh?  Didn’t a representative of the Alt Right openly write online that dating Asian females was a “rite of passage” for the Alt Right?

There is a bitter backlash from white women who resent this, but nobody wants to marry a bitter woman. 

Misogyny! Womanizing gigolos like Greg Johnson and James O’ Meara, who preach to us about sexual mores, won’t like that.

The “manosphere” is full of complaints about white women, so why should a white man marry one? I was married for eight years to an Asian….

From a HBD perspective, you started on top.

…and for 25 years to a half Asian (three children)…

Thanks for producing mixed-race racial enemies, you scum.

…and am now ten years into a successful marriage (two kids) with a white woman. 

Serial monogamy – sounds real omnidominant to me.

Marrying your own kind — after choosing carefully — makes the most sense.

Choose carefully!  Third time’s the charm.

I have read widely on evolution. 

And learned nothing.

Survival of the fittest means differentiation and competition. The strategies that work best win out.

In Race, Evolution and Behavior Philippe Rushton applied r/K strategy to races. We evolved different reproductive strategies because we occupy different niches. Northeast Asians — fighting a harsh but predictable climate — became the most K selected. Africans, in a benign but unpredictable environment because of disease and predators, remained the most r selected.

Rushton was exposed as a fraud by his fellow HBDer Dutton.  But, hey, continue to push a discredited narrative.

Families reflect these differences. Asian “tiger moms” invest a great deal of effort in each child. 

Hardcore science.

Asian wives tend to feel obligated to feed their husbands, whether they like them or not…

After all, “Rosie” cooks meals for Derb and Jared “with her own hands” (as opposed to “her own feet”).

On the other hand, libido is weaker among the K-selected Asians. The newspapers carry stories of young Japanese and Chinese of both sexes who have no interest in sex. They are more likely to be faithful, but perhaps less likely to be satisfying partners. 

Is that because the “women” have the bodies of pre-pubescent boys and the “men” make Peewee Herman look like a Mr. Olympia winner?

Africans on average have measurably higher levels of sex hormones…

Lie.

…mature earlier, and tend to have higher sex drives compared to Asians, but they don’t feel the Asian sense of obligation to spouses and children.

Kevin MacDonald, writing in Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition…

Time to bring in the HBD Nordicism.

…pushes the practice back further. He links it to the individualism of the hunter gatherers of preagricultural Europe. 

You forgot “high trust.”  Like Hubert Humphrey and Greta Thunberg,

Each individual rose on his own merits in the “Männerbund,” or brotherhood of men. 

Cue James O’Meara and Jack Donovan.

Dr. MacDonald proposes that monogamy was the standard in these societies. 

How about serial monogamy?

The upshot is that romantic love is a Western notion, and we white people evolved the mental equipment to make it work. We believe in love. 

Evidence?

The children of a mixed marriage are . . . mixed.

Thank you for that insight.

I had hoped my children would inherit their mother’s Asian work ethic and conscientiousness and my drive and curiosity. I was disappointed. Is this common? Anecdotally, I do not see as many successful mixed-race Asian Americans as one would expect.

That’s hardcore scientific empiricism right there!

Only one of my mixed-race children inherited the sense of romantic love I got from my parents. 

After all, “romantic love” is a strictly genetically deterministic behavioral trait, right?  Essentially, this individual is implying that his children are some sort of error.  What do they think about that?

There is unlikely to be a statistical study of the characteristics of Asian-Caucasian “mixers.” It is hard to imagine a more politically charged research thesis. Moreover, a rigorous statistical study would be very hard to construct. And there is the question of which Asians? Profs. Lynn and Vanhanen find that the average intelligence in Asian nations varies by as much as 20 points.

What HBD flim-flam would be complete without mention of The King of Pseudoscience, Tricky Dick Lynn?

Look in the right places. Find religion. 

Christianity – that makes no racial distinctions for marriage.

If you are a woman, you should attend American Renaissance conferences, where you will find many like-minded men. 

John Derbyshire?

You will find younger people in identitarian groups. Don’t just attend — take leadership roles. Learn to speak publicly. If a person’s first impression is looking up at you on a podium, he might continue looking up at you.

And engage in “measured groveling?”

You can expect the commenters on articles at American Renaissance to be on your wavelength. 

Tinfoil hat wavelength.

The logical choice for me was to look elsewhere. While there are substantial white populations in Uruguay, Argentina, Chile, and southern Brazil, the largest number by far are in Europe. Women in just about every less-developed or recently-developed country, whatever their race, are less affected by cultural disease than women in the United States and Western Europe. Moreover, an American income is also more attractive to them.

I consider the Visegrad countries — Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia, and the Baltics to be recently developed. Although their standards of living approach those of Western Europe, the people remain traditional. I am continually encouraged by their resistance to the dictates from the European Union that they take immigrants. They are standing their ground, asserting that they are Christian countries and want to stay that way. The former members of the Soviet Union — Russia itself, Belarus, Moldova, Georgia, and Ukraine — might properly be considered underdeveloped. Average monthly salaries are less than $1,000. Though Western culture is making inroads, these peoples are still better marriage prospects.

And here we have the ethnoimperialism.  Eastern Europe is just a grab bag for racially superior Northwest European Inner Hajnal men to invade, live in, and engage in “mate poaching” (any complaints, Jeelvy?) in, taking the native woman.

Although most people think going abroad means American men looking for foreign brides, it works the other way. The men in these countries are more traditional. They tend to be more courtly, more inclined to observe the traditional courtesies such as opening doors. They can fix things. They expect to marry, the major constraint being whether they can afford it. At the same time, the characteristics now called “toxic masculinity” haven’t been beaten out of them. A white woman looking for a real man — with both the advantages and disadvantages — could do worse than Eastern Europe.

And, yes, obnoxious, overweight SJW Inner Hajnal women can invade Eastern Europe to find some hunkie dupe.  

But, hey, if we believe MacDonald’s latest flim-flam, and believe that every nuance of behavior is genetically determined, then what happens when you mix those Individualist Northwest European Inner Hajnal superiors with inferior collectivist Outer Hajnal Eastern Europeans?  Won’t you dilute all those “romantic love hunter gatherer” genes?

Further, if we should marry our own kind, and if you believe that Eastern Europeans are “the same kind” as Northwest Europeans, then what’s the justification for the sort of petty nationalist ethnonationalism that the Amren-Counter-Currents alliance promotes?  You can’t have it both ways. Complete hypocrisy all around. They’re different enough for petty nationalism, but when it comes to living in other people’s nations and taking natives for spouses, then they are “the same kind.”  These guys praise the Reed Johnson Act, but Eastern Europe is The Promised Land for Northwest European Manifest Destiny.  Hitler wanted to dispossess the Slavs; modern Hitler worshippers want to take Eastern European housing, spouses, etc.

And as regards the piece of trash who wrote the article, he spent his prime years in inter-racial marriage, producing mixed-race children, and then, in how old age, married a younger Eastern European woman, depriving some Eastern European man of a potential mate.

Yukio Mishima and Der Movement

It’s no surprise.

Is it any surprise that Der Movement is fascinated by Japanese author and right-wing ultranationalist Yukio Mishima?

Mishima has something to offer to many different factions of Der Movement. He was Japanese, so the HBDers love him. The Silkers not only like Mishima because of his racial background, but because Mishima’s work Kyoko’s House reflects the very essence of Silk Road White nationalism:

Schrader also incorporates scenes from Mishima’s book Kyoko’s House into the second chapter, in which the young Osamu (Kenji Sawada) sells his body to the loan shark Kiyomi (Reisen Lee) to save his mother’s restaurant from debt. Osamu becomes Kiyomi’s love slave at first, until their relationship turns into sadomasochism. “Your skin is so beautiful,” she tells Osamu after slicing his flesh, “I just had to cut it.” Their romance becomes one of pain and pleasure, beauty and destruction, a sense of purpose and existence through annihilation, culminating with Kiyomi preparing to bring Osamu to a blissful death.

One can imagine the White omega male Silkers fantasizing that they are a White Osamu and that some black-booted Chinese girl with a gun (a border guard of the West!) plays the role of Kiyomi.  After all, race-tinged sexual masochism is what Silk Road White nationalism is all about.

Speaking of the sexual angle, Mishima was a homosexual (albeit one who had a wife and children while still being more or less openly gay) – note that Mishima’s self-destructive tendencies are consistent with his homosexuality (a la Forney’s analysis of homosexuality) -and as a bodybuilder no doubt titillates the gay faction of the Alt Right.  

Of course, the Traditionalists admire Mishima for his ideology (Mishima being more racially acceptable, no doubt, than Evola), and the ethnoracial fetishists can have some sort of connection to Mishima since he can pass for David Bromstad’s (more White-looking) brother – or perhaps pass as Bjork’s father.

There’s something for everyone!  It’s all good!


Now, Mishima undoubtedly was an interesting person and one can have sympathy for his right-wing views and his Japanese ultra-nationalism,  But, I’m not Japanese, nor East Asian more generally, nor are all those Type I “traditionalists” foaming at the mouth over Mishima and his (over-rated) legacy. I don’t know – maybe if Der Movement concentrated more on Codreanu and less on Mishima, it might learn something.  But, alas, the lure of debasing themselves before the Altar of Asia is too much – the Japanese man must have priority.  I’ll note that it seems like Mishima fetishism in the “movement” rises and falls concomitantly with the interest in HBD; there’s probably a cause-and-effect relationship there.

Merry Christmas Heterosexuals

Der Movement for the holidays – and fisking about homosexuality.

Merry Christmas, suckers!  Keep on giving “D’Nations” – remember, those who give live in the Golden Age today!

But, but, but…Der Movement does good, it is fighting for the White race.

Keep on dreaming.

Remember…don’t objectify milady!  No, wait…(Putting aside that now, after pushing the idea that grossly obese landwhales are “curvy and sexy,” we now have sagging aging hags promoted as paragons of feminine beauty).  In any case, ”female” and “agency” in the same sentence is an automatic oxymoron, unless “agency” is preceded by “no” or “do not have.”

Get ready for the next Alt Right podcast  That’s right!

I would like to take a critical look at this essay, commenting on certain excerpts:

First, homosexuality is beside the point.

Then why does Counter-Currents focus on the subject so much?

Because of the distorting lens of the Jewish media, it is easy to think that all homosexuals are promoters of the Jewish agenda. 

Jew, Jew, Jew, Jewey, Jew, Jew.  Can we discuss the topic without knee-jerk Jew-baiting?

White Nationalism should be a one-issue political outlook. 

If so, then why must we discuss this topic?  Why does Counter-Currents “take a side” on this issue, not only with essays such as this, but with the essays (and books) by James O’Meara and Buttercup Dew?

White Nationalism is for the interests of whites and against the interests of our racial enemies. Period. Anything else is beside the point. 

The problem is that “the interests of whites” can be interpreted by different people in quite different ways. Moral, aesthetic, health-related, spiritual, etc. values can be viewed as important for such interests.

That means that White Nationalists must work to unite all whites into a self-conscious racial community, rallying around our common racial interests. 

All?

White Nationalism has only one message for homosexuals: white homosexuals have more important interests in common with other whites than they do with non-white homosexuals. We have to resist falling for any form of the divide and conquer strategy used by our enemies to destroy our solidarity as a prelude to destroying our race. Battles between gays and straights, men and women, pagans and Christians, Nordics and Mediterraneans, Celts and WASPs, Germans and Slavs, etc. have no place in the White Nationalist movement. These will always be used by our enemies to divide and subvert us.

What hypocrisy!  Let’s see: “We have to resist falling for any form of the divide and conquer strategy used by our enemies to destroy our solidarity as a prelude to destroying our race. Battles between…Nordics and Mediterraneans…have no place in the White Nationalist movement. These will always be used by our enemies to divide and subvert us.”

This coming from a site that has proudly featured the anti-“Mediterranean” ramblings of Andrew Hamilton and Ash Donaldson, that praises Humphrey Ireland, and promotes the HBD cult.  By the criterion of  “…have no place in the White Nationalist movement. These will always be used by our enemies to divide and subvert us” – then Counter-Currents has no place in the White nationalist movement, as it can be used by “our enemies to divide and subvert us.”

If Johnson has no problems with the aforementioned authors (as well as the likes of Colin Liddell [in the past] and John Morgan), then why not feature the writing of Andrew Joyce about homosexuality as well?

I have met a number of homosexuals in the contemporary White Nationalist movement, and I have my suspicions about a few others. 

Indeed. I have heard things about certain people as well.

All of these people, however, are intelligent and accomplished. 

Unlike those dumb, useless, and brutish heteros.

They are real assets to the movement. 

Really? The ones I know about or have heard about are, in my opinion, net negatives.

They are masculine, and appreciate masculine things like facts, logic, and forthright action.

Jack Donovan has described some of that “forthright action.”  Bite the pillow!

And even effeminate gay men can make a real contribution. Pim Fortuyn was ideologically a mixed-bag, but he had the potential to move the Netherlands significantly to the right, and his fruity persona only helped his cause. The media found it difficult to paint a flamboyant old fop who fussed over floral arrangements and doted over his lapdogs as the next Hitler.

What was tolerated in the socially liberal Netherlands would not be so well accepted elsewhere.  I believe most White Americans would be repulsed by a “flamboyant old fop.”

A unified White Nationalist movement does not require that all the different White Nationalist subgroups follow the same strategy. That would be counterproductive. The more different strategies pursued, the more chance that someone will hit on a winner. 

We’re still waiting for that winner to show up.

It does not require that all groups co-operate with one another either. It does not require that they like one another. It does not require that gays and straights share pup tents and take showers together. 

Brendan/Brandon is disappointed.

The minimum requirement for white unity is simply this: we all must focus our energies on pursuing our common goal by whatever path we choose, and we must resist wasting our time and energy on squabbles that divide us.

Again: Andrew Hamilton, Ash Donaldson, and Humphrey Ireland.  You hypocrite.

Second, intolerance of homosexuality is Jewish.

Insane. I suppose that’s why the Jews are constantly promoting homosexuality and why traditional Christianity, despised by the Jews, opposes homosexuality.

Westphal is apparently a Christian. If you ask Christians why they think homosexuality is a sin, they cannot point to any saying of Jesus. Jesus saw fit to condemn divorce but not sodomy. Christians have to turn to the Old Testament, to the record of the Jews and their wanderings, crimes, superstitions, and hatreds. There we find homosexuality condemned as a capital crime. Why? The whole aim of the Jewish law is to set Jews apart from the rest of humanity. The Jews condemned buggery because they and all their neighbors were engaging in it. Homosexual pederasty, which still remains a taboo in our culture, was widely practiced by the ancient Aryan peoples of the Mediterranean world. The Persians, Greeks, and Romans all practiced it, including some of the manliest men in history and legend, like Achilles and Alexander the Great.

So what?  First of all, I don’t care what Christians or Jews support or oppose.  I make up my own mind.  Second, what people did in the past is irrelevant. 

Technically, the Greeks and others were not pedophiles, who pursue children, for they focused their attention on young men who were well past puberty…

Like Pilleater?

But there is no question that homosexual behavior was not only tolerated by ancient Aryan peoples, it was considered normal, in some cases even ideal. It was ascribed to the gods (Zeus and Ganymede) and lauded by poets, philosophers, and historians. It is hard to maintain hateful Jewish attitudes toward homosexuality if one really understands and appreciates the greatness of classical pagan civilization.

Regardless of what is on the Old Testament, the Jews of today, who are relevant to us today, promote homosexuality.  And one does not have to “understand and appreciate the greatness of classical pagan civilization” by agreeing with, or appreciating, all facets of that civilization. Let’s see…they viewed Germans as barbarians, and celebrated the defeat, slaughter, and enslavement of those German barbarians. Does Der Movement appreciate that? I doubt that very much. Consider what Caesar did to the Gauls. Does Der Movement appreciate that? Should we tolerate treating today’s Celto-Germanic peoples in a similar fashion?

As poisonous as the Old Testament’s moral condemnation of homosexuality may be, it is based on a realistic conception of human nature. Judeo-Christianity condemns homosexuality as a sin. A sin is a matter of choice. And nobody is immune to sin. If a heterosexual is a person who is immune to homosexual attractions, then the Judeo-Christian viewpoint implies that there is no such thing as a heterosexual. If a homosexual is a person who cannot help but be attracted to people of the same sex and has no choice in the matter, then the Judeo-Christian viewpoint implies that there is no such thing as a homosexual either. There are just people, all of whom have the capacity to be tempted by homosexual attractions and to choose heterosexual attractions. Thus there is no room for moral self-righteousness.

Retarded sophistry. Who cares about the goddamned Old Testament?  We can condemn homosexuality on biological, aesthetic, and social grounds without invoking scripture.

Matters became worse in the late nineteenth century, when psychologists—some but not all of them Jews—created a new paradigm for understanding sexuality. There were no longer homosexual and heterosexual desires, which can be found in all people and can be controlled by our faculty of choice. There were now homosexual and heterosexual people, and what made a person one or the other was generally thought to lie outside of our choice and control. One’s sexual proclivities suddenly became a whole “lifestyle,” a whole “identity,” giving sex an inflated importance in the scheme of things. It was not long before Freud started speculating that the whole soul can be understood in terms of sexuality. This new and false conception of sexuality has caused immense suffering and damage to our race.

Jews!  Jews!  Excuse me…if it is all a matter of “our faculty of choice,” then why can we tell that someone is homosexual just by listening to their voice? Or in some cases by looking at their face?  Are we, in December 2019, denying a strong biological basis for sexual preferences?  And, if is “choice,” then can homosexuals please choose to be heterosexual, thus ending the problem?

First of all, it has created a great deal of anxiety for men and women who experience homosexual attractions at one time or another. In pagan societies, these desires could be acknowledged, understood, and even expressed if one chose to. In Judeo-Christian society, such desires were repressed, but their mere presence said nothing more about one’s identity than one is a sinner and subject to temptation—just like everybody else. Today, homosexual desires cause great anxiety and psychological anguish. People worry if they fall into a small and stigmatized sexual subspecies, totally different from the rest of humanity. A young man gets aroused wrestling with a friend and suddenly has a psychological crisis on his hands. He wonders if he is sick. He feels alienated from his family and peers. He wonders if he will have to move to the city and buy a feather boa.

Projection? Homosexuals seriously – very seriously – inflate instances of nominally heterosexual people experiencing “homosexual attractions.” Johnson should realize that many – I would say most, more likely the vast majority – of heterosexuals go through their lives without once experiencing such attractions. 

Second, this anxiety has chilled same-sex friendships and male bonding, and it is the bonded male group, the Männerbund, that is the foundation of all higher forms of civilization, particularly Aryan civilizations. It is amazing to read accounts of male friendships from earlier centuries, for example in Augustine’s Confessions or Montaigne’s Essays. It was possible for men to frankly express their love for one another without fearing the stigma of homosexuality, because that was an identity that simply did not exist before the late nineteenth century. (Today, these expressions of affection are read through the distorting lens of “queer theory,” and Augustine and Montaigne and countless other figures have been “outed.”)

I don’t know.  Maybe if young men can attend Alt Right meetings without being “flirted” with by homosexuals, then a “Mannerbund” could be possible.

Third, those who decide that they do not merely have homosexual desires, but are “homosexuals” are trapped by this self-concept into an exclusively homosexual lifestyle, which not only carries health risks…

This makes no sense.  Why would an “exclusively homosexual lifestyle” carry health risks while a “partially” homosexual lifestyle not?  The risks might be statistically higher in the former case, but still substantial in the latter. It’s not like there’s a threshold that needs to be reached before health risks occur. A single homosexual encounter can result in a life-changing infection or structural bodily damage.

…but also prevents them from affirming whatever heterosexual desires they might also have. It cuts them off from marriage and family life, which could be combined with homosexual relationships openly in pagan societies and on the sly in Judeo-Christian societies.

“On the sly.”  I’m sure the wives would be thrilled if they knew that their husbands are sleeping with men.  Get tested, milady!  Virus testing awaits!

Fourth, it has created the heterosexual, who thinks he is immune from same-sex attractions. 

Created?  CREATED!!!????  Excuse me, heterosexuals are not “created,” unless by “creation” you mean conception and birth. The idea of Johnson here apparently is that there aren’t any people who are innately purely heterosexual. They all have homosexual yearnings, don’t you know, perhaps satisfied by getting groped in a men’s room, or propositioned at an Alt Right meeting. Excuse me, but this is pure fantasy.  

This allows some heterosexuals to fuse Jewish intolerance with self-righteousness, turning them into queer-bashing bullies.

Is wishing to avoid interacting with homosexuals equate with being a “queer-bashing bully?”

All these destructive consequences could be alleviated if we freed our minds from the legacy of Jewish hatred and intolerance. 

Gaslighting nonsense.  Intolerance of homosexuality is not “Jewish.”  If anything, the opposite is true.

Queer-bashers are in the grip of Jewry without even knowing it. 

Oh, please.  This is just transparent pandering to Der Movement’s knee-jerk anti-Semitism. “If you dislike homosexuals, then you are secretly in thrall to the Jews.”  Nonsense.  The same “movement” tells us that “the Jews” control the media, have an outsized influence on popular culture, dictate social and political mores, and are over-represented in academia and the professions.  Yet, society moves steadily in the direction of the LGBTQ agenda.  What does that tell you?

Once Again Countering the Rancid Current

Counter-Currents: The worst “pro-White site” on the Internet.

Greg Johnson: Trump is a sincere man of genuine greatness.

The reality (emphasis):

Mr. Cullen indicted RAM members with an anti-riot statute originally passed to stop Vietnam War protesters. The Washington Post wrote a glowing profile on Mr. Cullen, in which he explained: “Hate crimes and violence by white supremacist organizations that qualify as domestic terrorism are way up. Prosecuting them is common sense.”

There is no white-supremacist violence “surge.” Mr. Cullen simply wanted to destroy this group. He credited far-left journalists with providing a “starting-point” for his investigation, and the FBI relied on a hit piece from antifa for its criminal complaint. Four RAM members pleaded guilty to “conspiracy to riot” charges. Mr. Cullen ignored — consciously or not — the obvious truth that if there had been no antifa protesters, there would have been no violence. If the “conspiracy to riot” law were enforced fairly, he would have prosecuted antifa as well. He didn’t, apparently because he takes orders from liberal journalists…Any crackdown will be subjective. That’s why Mr. Cullen’s nomination is wrong. He selectively enforces the law based on political and media considerations. For the RAM case, he took his cue from left-wing journalists. He ignores groups that proclaim revolutionary intent but indicts groups that defend themselves. He practices “anarcho-tyranny.”

The House just impeached President Trump. I’m having a hard time caring. President Trump probably doesn’t even know Mr. Cullen’s name, but he should. If these are the judges he gives us, it’s hard to see why we should support him.

The Quota Queens: Wrong, wrong, they’re ALWAYS wrong.

Sallis – who labeled Trump a fraud and nicknamed him “Antifa Don Trump” – proven right again.

Sallis: Right, right, he’s ALWAYS right.

More from Counter-Currents:

Bernie

Posted December 18, 2019 at 9:35 am | Permalink

“Under would-be Yockey biographer Keith Stimley’s editorship, Thompson contributed book reviews to the Journal of Historical Review.”

I see that Keith Stimley died very young (35). Does anyone know the circumstances of his death?

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K R Bolton

Posted December 18, 2019 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

AIDS

Keith Stimely: proto-Alt Righter?

Contrary to what you may think, these clips are not – repeat, not! – documentary footage of a certain young bisexual male Alt Righter attending certain highbrow racialist meetings.

If you watched episode one of A Very English Scandal (about a real life political scandal) you’ll see that the homosexual politician was a radical pro-colored immigration lunatic, mocking and opposing the idea of a White Britain, and shamelessly shilling for more “Commonwealth immigration” – open borders for “the Commonwealth” (sort of like the pro-Brexit leaders of today). That’s yet more evidence that “being in the EU” has, and had, fundamentally nothing to do with the racial morass found in the UK today. The British people did it to themselves. Ethnonationalism!


In reality, even if there was never an EU, the UK would still be as non-White as it is today. Actually, likely even more so, since in the absence of the EU, and the UK’s presence in the EU, all those immigration slots that went to Eastern Europeans would have gone to “Commonwealth” Negroes and South Asians instead.  And I say that as someone who has a long history of being anti-EU. But as much as I dislike the EU, I dislike ethnonationalist lies even more.

Hampton writing in Counter-Currents:

Baseball is too slow-paced and indulges conservative fantasies. The world never changes in baseball, and conservatives can pretend it’s still 1950 every summer

Putting aside the comments about “slow-paced” (interestingly exactly mirroring Johnson’s previous critiques of the sport*), as regards:

The world never changes in baseball, and conservatives can pretend it’s still 1950 every summer.

Sure!  What with inter-league play, the designated hitter, bottom-of-the-lineup hitters blasting 30+ home runs per year with the juiced-up balls travelling well over 400 feet even with clumsy one-handed swings, the endless parade of relief pitchers, every other pitcher having had “Tommy John surgery,” most televised games being on pay-for-TV cable, etc. – it’s just like 1950!  

Wrong, wrong, they’re ALWAYS wrong.

And, hey, I thought Counter-Currents liked “tradition?” I suspect the disdain for baseball is due to ADHD types (likely enriched among Type I activists) whose preference in sports is for constant, repetitive, back-and-forth action, devoid of deeper strategy and forethought (sort of like how they conduct their “activism).  I suppose it is also possible some types get a thrill over all those “macho hard men” in hockey (too bad hockey players don’t skate around in “rainbow thongs,” eh?).  Anyway…sports are all “bread and circuses” anyway.  But the Alt Right sure seems obsessed with it.

* I recall that, recently, another Hampton article – a movie review no less (was”Trevor Lynch” not available?) – was originally credited to Johnson.  This Hampton requires close scrutiny.

Another issue: Read this.  When Russia announces advances in their nuclear deterrent, the fraud Trump tweets, lying, that “we have better and more advanced weapons.”  Nonsense. The Minuteman ICBM is a weapon system from the 60s and 70s, the Trident SBLM is a weapon system from the 70s and 90s, and as far as the bomber force goes, the US continues to downgrade the yield of the free fall bombs to embarrassingly low levels. Russia is far, far ahead. The “Ground Based Strategic Deterrent” should have been produced decades ago.

And have you noticed that in the past, American rockets and missiles (actualized or cancelled) were always given names reflecting imagination and individualism, names that also reflected cultural “Whiteness” – Greco-Roman and Norse mythology, American history, Western literature, animals, stars, etc. (even naming one after an Indian tribe is a very ‘White” thing to do – look at sports teams)?  Nowadays, we get sterile names like “Ground Based Strategic Deterrent.”  I suppose the rot started when the MX missile was given the stupid name of Peacekeeper (on the other hand, I rather liked the name Midgetman, which reflected tongue-in-cheek imagination). This seems like a small and unimportant change, but it informs us about deep differences in American culture and attitudes between then and now.  Today’s deracinated, empty, consumerist, vapid, sterile culture cannot even come up with imaginative and Western/American/White code names for the products of Western technics. I suppose though I shouldn’t complain too much about it – we may start getting “diverse” names for rockets and missiles – Zulu, Carjacker, Rapper, Cholo, Confucius, King David…the mind boggles.

Odds and Ends, 12/18/19

More issues.

See this. First, note the typical Black male-White female pairing pictured. Second, this article is yet another demonstration that women have “no agency.” In the “Me Too” era, when just being in the same room with a woman is sufficient for sexual harassment charges and HR intervention for men, this retarded yeastbucket (and one one who led the “study”) advocates “flirting” at work. The comments to the article say it all. Women are hopeless, absolutely hopeless. The only way that article “works” is if it was some sort of “trolling” sarcasm.  But, no.  It was serious.  And the lead author on the “study” in question was also a yeastbucket. Interesting how they make fine distinctions between “acceptable” and “non-acceptable” “flirting” behavior. As if men are supposed to be able to know in advance if and when milady is going to get hysterical if you say “good morning” to her. Dear god…half the population “thinks” like this.  Repeal the 19th Amendment!

And it’s another great moment in Alt-Right history.

An extreme Alpinid phenotype.

Zman commentator:

(((They))) Live

Brexit is a scam, the UK might get less Eastern European immigrants but they are almost guaranteed a lot more Indian, African, Asian immigrants. where the brexit voters turn to once they figure this out is anyones guess.

But, but, but…ethnonationalism.

Another Zman commentator:

Apex Predator

What sane white male of any means would want to take on the liability of a modern American wahmen? There is virtually no benefit to this unless you can find the needle in the haystack like the women that frequent this website, which by their own admission, they concede they are a statistical blip even in their own circles.

Entitled, loud, not terribly intellectually curious, consumerist, usually not in the best physical shape, and largely ignorant of objective reality. That really sounds like a catch to me!

One of the -only- (and I mean truly) only good things about living in District One is that I do get a nice cross section of foreigners to intermingle with. The difference between American women and Eastern Euro, Asian, or South Americans (as examples) is so stark now they are practically a different species.

I haven’t dated an American in 8 years, and I don’t miss it even a little. They are invisible to me and even overhearing their vapid conversations grates on my nerves. Of course, you folks from flyover or more conservative areas may not have this view but if you are a coastal person it is virtually guaranteed. An entire generation and a half are basically lost and there WILL be major downstream effects we haven’t even begun to actualize or see yet.

But, but, but…Joan of Arc.