Category: Vox Day

Odds and Ends: 9/12/17

Odds and ends.

An excellent logical argumentation against the equality ruse.

The John Ray-like stupidity of Vox Day concerning National Socialism is dissected here.

Bannon the anti-Silker.  He’s right about the Chinese threat.

What’s wrong here?  Aren’t all the individuals pictured S. Italian/Sicilian?

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In Der News: 9/10/17

News, news, news.

Also see this.

And then we have this.

The pivot could also be reflective of the new environment Trump created in the West Wing after dismissing divisive, nationalist figures like former chief strategist Steve Bannon. With Bannon gone, the more moderate faction of the West Wing, consisting of New Yorkers like economic adviser Gary Cohn and senior adviser Jared Kushner, will likely hold more sway over the president’s decisions. 

Jewish liberalism in control.  “4-D chess,” indeed!

 

First, I was warning about “Vox Day” on my blog long ago.  Right again.

If opposition to the mixed economy and the welfare state is not an essential trait of the Right, then what is? On this matter, I follow Jonathan Bowden, who argued that the essence of the Right is the rejection of egalitarianism as the highest political value.

Agreed.  That’s good sense and any reasonable interpretation of political history.

I also think there is something slightly absurd about debating whether a world-historical phenomenon like National Socialism merits being included in a contrived, ephemeral, marginal, and increasingly ridiculous category like the Alt Right. It is like debating whether King Lear merits being classed among Saturday morning cartoons.

Well said.

My view is that we should abandon the Alt Right “brand” entirely.

Of course, I agree, but for different reasons than Greg, and this is something often discussed here and need not be gotten into with this post.

Der Movement in the News, 10/2/16

Strom, Sailer, Vox Day, Silver.
Here is Strom making an excellent point:

Blacks are a primitive race with a low average intelligence, impulsive and prone to crime and rage and violence. The things they do often make no sense at all, even from the perspective of their own best interests. It’s dangerous just to be present wherever they constitute a plurality. It’s even dangerous for them. Setting them loose by the millions in our once-brilliant civilization is a disaster that is going to turn into a holocaust if we don’t do something to stop it.

There is no upside to their presence. Elon Musk has just announced that his goal is to build a city of one million human beings on the surface of Mars. Now, looking at it with absolute dispassionate objectivity, if we actually make it to that planet, do you think it would be beneficial, wise, or even tolerable to bring one or two hundred thousand Negroes along? I didn’t think so. Far from being wise, it would be negligent, insane, criminal, treasonous, fatal, immoral, and murderous to do so. It would be deliberate and certain sabotage of our entire future.
Well — it’s the same on this planet, cowboy. The situation is exactly the same. Just as it would be on Mars, our existence here is not guaranteed.

Strom is an intelligent fellow who often has great insights. I realize he has deep personal ties to the memory of William Pierce and I certainly do not expect Strom to denounce (or even harshly critique) Pierce. However, I would urge Strom to seriously reconsider certain aspects of Pierce’s ideology and writings; even if someone values Pierce as a “great leader” they must admit that he was not infallible, and at some point those who wish to carry on Pierce’s legacy need to be honest about, and correct, any flaws in that legacy that they identify.

Only a conservative anti-WN HBDer like Breezy would think separating Middle Easterners and North Africans from Europeans in the census is a bad thing (never mind the old South Asian classification that he never fails to bring up). Now all we have to do is get these folks, including Hispanics, to stop being classified as “White” when it comes time to assign racial responsibility to crime.
Typical Breezyian stupidity:

In the current year, however, we realize that Tony should have been directly handed racial privileges himself, for being who he is, the descendant of a Roman legionnaire assigned to Syria two millennia ago.

Right….and that’s what passes for analytical thought in HBD.

And now we have Vox Day:

When the flea on the tip of the tail thinks it is wagging the dog, that’s the #AltRetard branch of the #AltRight. The Alt-Retards are so ideologically incoherent and inept that to call them incompetent would be giving them too much credit. Setting aside the fact that they clearly fail to understand my position, they appear to genuinely believe that the ALTernative RIGHT can be national SOCIALIST. Yes, because that’s exactly what all the conservatives and libertarians disgusted with the cuckservatism of the Republican establishment concerning immigration are demanding, more socialism, the return of Alsace-Lorraine, and the invasion of Poland.

Anyone who would write something like that is either a stupidly shallow mainstream conservative at heart and/or is fundamentally dishonest. First of all, any sane definition of Right vs. Left – at least those asserted by more rational elements of Der Movement – does NOT stand upon a foundation of economics. Instead, it is based on whether one supports the ideas of hierarchy, difference, and the importance of “blood and soil,” or whether one supports as the underlying objective egalitarianism, absolute equality, lack of difference, and a rejection of “blood and soil” for fungible aracialism. The reason that national socialism is, properly, considered part of the far-Right is because of this, “socialism” notwithstanding. Second, who cares in the end about labels of “right” or “left?” Only idiots like John Ray who think that people can be scared into supporting neoconservatism by labeling everything else as “leftist,” or the Pepe/Kek “Alt Right” crowd obsessed with their navel-gazing “branding.” Third, what kind of moron cannot distinguish an underlying political philosophy such as national socialism, represented by a set of ideals, from its most well-known historical actualization in Hitlerian Germany? Obviously if someone is today a national socialist (small “n” and small “s”) they are not proposing “the return of Alsace-Lorraine, and the invasion of Poland.” Why do otherwise intelligent Der Movementers take this Vox Day seriously? It must be for personal reasons of friendship or something; it cannot be for serious political objectives.

The #AltRetard aren’t a viable alternative for the obvious reason that they are not even of the political Right.

Calling John Ray! All dem dere “national socialists” are going to start swooning if they are not considered part of the “political Right” – after all, dose dere Nutzis just have to be part of the same area of the political spectrum as Mitt Romney, John McCain, and John Derbyshire!

Their lack of intelligence can be seen in their decision to declare war on Milo… and now they want to draw the baleful eye of the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil upon themselves as well? So be it. That worked out great for the Hugos, after all.

I actually could care less about internal Alt Right feuds and their foray into sci/fi and fantasy awards (then again, most of Der Movement’s “racial histories” are sci/fi and fantasy, so maybe there’s a relevant connection there) – I’m not of the Alt Right, but when these Kekers start pontificating on White nationalism and national socialism, something must be said. And: “the Supreme Dark Lord of the Evil Legion of Evil” – clean up dem dere Snickers wrappers in mom’s basement! Then again, can we take seriously grown men who are obsessed with a cartoon frog and something called “Kek?”

The ridiculous thing about this is that it’s totally unnecessary to John Birch either Milo or me from the Alt-Retard. Neither Milo nor I ever belonged to it, or claimed to belong to it, and we don’t want anything to do with them, their finger-painting, or their swastika panties.

Milo doesn’t want anything to do with panties? Are you sure?

The Alt-Retard is the idiot branch of the Alt-White, which unfortunately does make them part of the Alt-Right despite their ideological incoherency, but then, every village needs its idiot.

If by “Alt-Retard” you mean your garden variety Nutzis, then, please keep them with you in the Alt Right. I despise the whole lot of you: Alt Right, Alt Wrong, Alt Retard Nutzi fetishists, you can all go to hell together. [I note for the record that neither the Alt Right nor the Alt Retard attacks the HBD Alt Wrong, all the evidence I need that both the Alt Right and Alt Retard are no damn good.]

 But, actually, the stupidity about national socialism aside, this broadside by Vox Day, and the opposing attacks by the so-called “Alt-Retard” are good things. Keep it up, Vox Day! I see the whole Alt Right in all its manifestations (including Alt Retard and, especially, Alt Wrong) to be a long-term danger to White nationalism, so keep up this circular firing squad! Let’s clean out the niche space, remove the Alt Right weeds, and then we can have some real growth of a sane and reasonable (and Pepe- and Kek-free) pro-White racial nationalist activism.
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 I don’t mind the feelings of fellowship and the experience of the ‘divine’ (whatever that is, if it’s even real) that Christianity leads to, but get real, Christian dogma is just bullshit. Absurd, offensive bullshit.

Never forget: the incarnation of Silver that was showing up at Majority Rights was openly Christian and pro-Christian. Before defenders of Silver claim “but, but, but….people can change their minds” I’ll point out:

1. People very rarely change their minds on something so fundamental to their identity as religious belief.
2. With Silver, it’s not the case that we are dealing with a single and definite case of “changing one’s mind,” but instead a dizzying array of chameleon–like reinventions from blog to blog (and at Majority Rights from week to week), all designed to fit into the particular context of the moment to push his underlying agenda. Yes, people can indeed “change their mind,” but not about everything and anything, constantly, back and forth with no clear direction, and all with objectives set in his first few blog posts on Majority Rights.

Setting the Record Straight on the Alt Right

Some Sunday fisking.

Greg Johnson’s declaration that “The Alt Right Means White Nationalism . . . or Nothing at All” has now become internalized by practically every member of the Alt Right.

This comment is ludicrously, comically, laughably wrong. Let’s see: Taylor? The rest of the Amren crew? Brimelow? Derbyshire? Vox Day? Sailer? Race-mixing Roissy? They’re all charging forward under the banner of White nationalism? Well, you’ll say: “they’re not the Alt-Right.” But they and many others say they are, and have as much right to the Alt Right label as you or anyone else. If the Alt Right means White nationalism, then why can’t we just call it White nationalism and dispense with the whole Alt Right euphemistic bullshit? The problem is that Alt Right by its very nature represents a broad spectrum of right-wing thought that goes beyond White nationalism.

And there are several, high-profile, self-promoters who have a very clear understanding of the importance of branding. Which is why they’re moving heaven and earth to take the banner of “Alt Right” and co-opt it for their own various movements.

The Alt-Right has been co-opted from its very birth. Taylor, Amren, the VDARE boys, HBD…it was all over from the beginning. Look at who was at the press conference – three people representing the Alt Right. One was a White nationalist (Spencer), one was a self-declared “yellow supremacist” (Taylor), and one was a self-declared civic nationalist (Brimelow) whose website gives a forum to the likes of the anti-WN Alt Righter John Derbyshire (a miscegenationist and child porn apologist) as well as citizenist Breezy Steve Sailer. Sorry, one for three may be good in baseball but it doesn’t pass muster in political activism.

“Alt Right” has become an internationally-recognized brand that only fools would carelessly dilute or abandon.

The brand is already tainted. It was so at its beginning. Maybe only fools would carelessly jump on a bandwagon that’s heading off a cliff?

Nazi Shitlords™ know the importance of branding, terminology, and propaganda. They use these weapons every day. And the term “Alt Right” has become their most powerful weapon in attacking the enemy, and recruiting the masses into White Nationalism at an exponential rate.

The masses are being recruited into WN at an exponential rate? What are you smoking? The Alt Right’s fifteen minutes of fame are over. Maybe the debates will give it a brief resuscitation, but can we be realistic, please? Where is the evidence for this exponential mass recruitment?

Nazi Shitlords™ have worked tirelessly to build the name “Alt Right” into a powerful, universally-recognized brand of “White Nationalism.” The Alt Right has been launched into the national spotlight, not because some Alt Right intellectual finally wrote that one, magical article on Evola, but because an army of Alt Right Nazi Shitlords™, guided by The Daily Stormer, TRS, InfoStormer, Radio Aryan, and /pol/, have been mercilessly attacking our enemies on Twitter and social media.

And only on Twitter and social media. The levers of political power remain in the hands of the Left. The streets remain in the hands of the Left. The future remains in the hands of the Left. True enough, the Right has Pepe. And Kek. Hail Kek!

Without The Daily Stormer and TRS there would have been no “Alt Right” speech by Hillary. It’s that simple.

And yet the kingpins of the Alt Right presented to the public are mostly an amalgamation of HBDers, civic nationalists, and paleoconservatives.

The name “Alt Right” has become the most powerful brand of White Nationalism in over 70 years. 

That’s more of an indictment of the abject failures of Der Movement than the wonders of Alt Right stupidity and Pepian jackassery.

And it happened almost by accident. The stars aligned. 

That underscores what I’ve been saying: the Alt Right’s fifteen minutes of fame have NOT been due to its own innate character, all the “hard work,” of being right, or pursuing the right long term strategy. It has SOLELY been due to the accident of the Trump campaign (without the birther controversy and Trump’s interest in it, Trump would never have been publicly mocked by Obama, and would never have decided to run. Without the frustrations of the GOP base with cuckservatives – independent of the Alt Right – Trump would not have a natural constituency). And without the cultural degeneracy of the youth, which finds attraction with social media snark and overall jackassery, the whole Pepe stupidity would not have seen the light of day. True enough, one should take advantage of unforeseen and even accidental opportunities. But these opportunities do not represent validation of the Alt Right approach. Indeed, the Alt Right’s squandering of these opportunities suggests that its basic flaws are being exposed. Pepe does not equate to serious political activism.

It may never happen again.

Don’t worry, Der Movement will ruin their chance, and if it never happens again, well, that’s that.

By welcoming so-called potential allies, most of whom are vehemently opposed to our core tenets of White Nationalism and the JQ, to share the banner of “Alt Right,” we’re not only destroying our most powerful weapon and brand, we’re literally handing it over to possible enemies to wield against us.

Those enemies have been part of the Alt Right from its birth. They are as much the Alt Right as are the WNs.

“Oy vey! How dare those virulently anti-Semitic, White Nationalist Alt Righters criticize Jews! We Jews are the most important leaders, thinkers, and funders of the Alt Right! We demand that they be expelled from the movement! We vastly outnumber them anyway — isn’t that right, my civic-Nationalist, libertarian, goyim friends?!”
Don’t think that will happen? Look to American Renaissance as a cautionary tale.

Exactly. And this is my point: Amren has been a founding pillar of the Alt Right from its very beginning. Who was at the press conference? Greg Johnson or Jared Taylor? Oy vey, indeed.

After Loren Feldman got the Alt Right door slammed in his face, he immediately began an ongoing, Twitter melt-down revealing his true feelings about the goyim. He now constantly attacks Alt Righters as low-IQ, goyim pawns of the Jews, and much worse. And he constantly brags about Jewish supremacy and fact that Jews control the world.

And many prominent Alt Righters, of the HBD Alt Wrong faction, agree with him.

But, under the big-tent, multi-tier strategy, the Loren Feldmans are immediately designated as members of the Alt Right, despite the fact that they would love to throw all of us into gulags.

The Loren Feldmans have been there from the very beginning.

Now entryists no longer have to work at infiltrating the Alt Right — they’ve been invited in!

Invited in by the Jews, HBDers, cucks, and civic nationalists who represent a portion of the founding group of the Alt Right.

Milo is attempting to co-opt the momentum and banner of the Alt Right and turn it into his floundering, Cultural-Libertarian movement.

As opposed to Sailer’s citizenism or Amren’s yellow supremacy?

Vox Day is currently attempting his own subversive version of redefining the Alt Right to include himself, and to purge the Alt Right’s staunchly White Nationalist core.

Maybe WNs should stop promoting, interviewing, etc. that mendacious mestizo?

These hostile attempts to redefine the term “Alt Right” must be fought mercilessly — not invited.

Maybe we should mercilessly fight the attempts to redefine White nationalism as the Alt Right?

So far, the Alt Right’s success as a White Nationalist movement has not been due to the idea that it’s a “big tent” that unfurls to engulf the masses. It’s due to the fact that the Alt Right has been a powerful, unchangeable, resolute, stone fortress that attracts the masses through incessant, high-profile attacks on our ideological enemies.

Unfortunately, that is not an accurate description of the Alt Right

People are naturally attracted to strength, permanence, and unapologetic, aggressive force.

Are they thus attracted to Pepe, Kek, Derbyshire’s “measured groveling” to “Rosie,” and to HBD yellow supremacy?

The big tent is where political movements go to die in the shade.

I agree with this, and this is where Saint Adolf and Who We Are Pierce are correct. You cannot dilute your core identity just to engage in conformist bandwagon-jumping. WN is not the Alt Right.
Mistake after mistake after mistake: the mantra of Der Movement.

Another Divisive Non-White

More filth.


Excuse me, we do not need non-Whites such as Vox Day or Jack Sen lecturing us on our identities, how we perceive ourselves, and how we should interact with each other.

I cannot critique such malicious, self-righteous, and ethnically self-interested nonsense strongly enough.

Again Refuting Ethnonationalist Mendacity

Against narrow ethnic nationalism.


“But Vox did seem to be saying that most White Americans would more likely than not identify with a single national-ethnic identity rather than the broader racial identity White”

That’s the sort of nonsense that I’ve spent years refuting over and over again, apparently to no avail.
There are solid reasons for differences in the “success” (*) of ethnoracial nationalism between the USA and Europe, other than the majestic “superiority” of narrow ethnonationalism. These include but are not limited to:
1. The greater professionalism and competence of leadership and membership cadres in Europe.

2. Within Europe itself, continental Europe has always had more developed nationalist parties and movements than the UK, for reasons which are likely deeply rooted in cultural and historical phenomena. The overseas anglosphere, including the USA, have seemed to inherit the more muted propensity for nationalism of the UK.

3. As discussed by Le Brun in a podcast, social pricing is much weaker in Europe than in the USA. Yes, Europe has “hate speech laws” but I believe that social pricing is a far more potent force in stifling dissent. Even with factor #2, if you relieved social pricing in the USA, racial nationalism would flourish. But defeating social pricing would require real leadership (see #1).

4. In America, social pricing is strictly reserved for White racial activism, which is what the System fears.  You want to organize an Irish-American, German-American, Italian-American, etc, club at your school or place of business?  No problem!  Looked on benignly.  Organize a European-American club?  Oy vey, the racism!  Then Day’s SJW’s would really come out. Don’t you think people know this?  Don’t you think we need to break that barrier to have success?
*I put “success” in scare quotes because people are grossly overestimating the power of ethnonationalism in Europe where an outright invasion by young NEC and African males is being greeted with the enthusiasm of a sex starved female virgin getting screwed by a lustful alpha male.

Vox Day Against Mainstreaming Moderation

This can describe her majesty Marine for example, attacking her own father as well as Golden Dawn, while praising leftist Syriza.


As I have noted on several occasions, for reasons unbeknownst to me, moderates are always more focused on firing on their own side than on the enemy. They are also always more open to negotiation and dialogue with the enemy than with their own extremists.

 
This is one of the reasons why moderates never accomplish anything. Ideally, moderates would stay out of the way, let the extremists lead the charge, and then show up after the victory is won and handle the negotiations using the extremists as leverage.
 
“Do you want to surrender to me or do I stand aside and watch as my very good friend here follows through on his promise of no quarter?” Accepting surrender is the true and proper role of the moderate. Policing those engaged in positive action is not.