Category: white nationalism

Rodney Martin on White Nationalism

Really about Der Movement, not about “White nationalism.”
The following is an anti-“movement” post I wrote a while back and that has been waiting in the publishing queue, so let’s get it out today.

I would like to examine Rodney Martin’s very interesting essay on White nationalism. You should read the whole thing.
The most fundamental problem with this essay is that Martin conflates Der Movement with White nationalism. This is logically incorrect, as the former is just one vehicle for actualizing the latter. Only if you believe that White nationalism must absolutely and inevitably lead to a disaster such as Der Movement would such an equivalence hold.  I do not believe that to be true.
In any case, excerpts (emphasis added):

…blacks…are winning. The internet tough guys who bark on the internet for our “Culture and Values” are not. When approached by CNN and asked if he stood by his internet based bravado, Kyle Rodgers, the loud mouth internet mouthpiece of the CoCC, (Council of Conservative Citizens) who famously said “never back down to the left wing media, hid behind his door like the preverbal High School nerd running from the Jocks and screamed at the CNN crew to go talk to his big mack daddy Jared ( Jews are White) Taylor. http://www.cnn.com/…/council-of-conservative-citizens-griff…. This is the reality of White Nationalism, tough online, cowards in real life and almost always refusing to own their positions when confronted in person.

They are cowards online as well, refusing to debate competent opponents, or moderate their blog comments so as to allow criticism, even after openly declaring themselves eager and ready for “debate.”

Contrast the self-described White Nationalist “E-Activist” to Black, Latino, Jewish, and any other Leftist activist . Black activists took to the streets and pushed their interests and agenda, self-described “White Nationalists” continued their online, anonymous bravado via various websites, chief among these is Stormfront AKA Stormdrain led by Don Black who uses Oral Roberts fundraising tactics, demanding $7K per month from low information self-described “White Nationalists” for the honor of “blogging about the “problem”. This shtick has enabled Black to live in comfort in Palm Beach, Florida ( a Jew dominated City) while sending his son Derek, his former right hand man to a private liberal college which resulted in young Derek bowing before Mark Potok and the SPLC and no doubt delivering Stormfront user data to Potok and Morris Dees.

I have always unfavorably compared the White Right to the Coloreds and to the Left.  Of course, Martin should acknowledge that these others have the tacit and sometimes open support of the System.

When Anglin is not bashing White women as “whores”, “sluts”, and “worse than Jews”, he has called for age of consent laws to be lowered to age 14 so prearranged marriages between girls and 30 and 40 year-old men could be set up by his Pedo dream State. Perhaps Anglin’s insecurities regarding White women has more to do with his own failures and insecurities with the opposite sex. There is something wrong when a 31 year old male who has only ever expressed desire for underage girls of Africa and the Philippines making obsessive attacks on OUR women. Of course Anglin who has appointed himself the world’s hardest hardcore Nazi, seems to work very hard remaining out of certain jurisdictions, not indicating where he resides, and for nearly the last 2 years has attempted to live off donations, i.e. “Movement Welfare”. For a “Movement” that prides itself as “Racists” or “Racialists”, many at “Daily Stoner are all too willing to overlook Anglin’s fetish for underage Asian and Black females and the fact that at age 31, Anglin has never been with a White Woman, has no White children, and has actually attacked marriage while patronizing brothels in Eastern Europe with the publisher of a web site Anglin has borrowed material from and reposts on Daily Stormer. Cut & Paste and claiming 14 hour work days is the actual standard of practice at “Daily Stoner”, symbolism over substance is the hallmark of White Nationalism while Blacks, Latinos, Jews, and others engage in real activism and advance a real Agenda based on substance, White Nationalists engage in online circle jerks that make the porn industry blush.

According to Johnson, who respects Anglin, Mr. Anglin is one of the “voices of WN 3.0.”

The fundamental difference between “White Nationalism” and activists of Leftist Organizations such as the NAACP, LaRaza, MeCha, ADL, et. al, is simple, the Leftists are not dominated by, identified by and exists solely by websites and anonymity. Nor are they dominated by low information, mentally defective hobbyists who see conspiracies around every corner who still live at home with mommy and daddy at advanced ages, have not been in a real relationships with the opposite sex, have no children, lack any semblance of an education, lack real jobs, careers, and professional development and go so far a to viciously attack those who work in the Struggle who bring these essential tools to the motionless” Movement based on nothing more than jealously, envy and self-loathing. While White Nationalists are high-fiving Dylaan Roof for murdering old women in a Church, pardon me while I get ill, the Leftists are advancing their agenda by leaps and bounds.

Fair enough.

It is common to hear low life White Nationalist trouser stains post long diatribes attacking people who have done something with their life/lives as “obviously being an “Agent” or a “Jew” or some other nonsense because we cannot have talent and ability in the motionless Movement. Then these self-appointed experts spend hours (because they have no life) on their favorite groupie web site or podcast opining on subjects they have absolutely no real or practical experience, education, or life experience.

Indeed. Included in this are folks like Borat Jeelvy preaching downward mobility to young White men, and he and the rest of the Millennial crew label IRL work as being the linked to “Boomers.” To be fair, twenty years ago you had Boomer and Gen X “activists” also preaching dropout because “the entire System is going to collapse within five years, no doubt about it.” Sound familiar?

Most laughable is the volume of posts on White Nationalist web sites on “marriage” “relationships”, “and “women” posted by men who blame everything and everyone but themselves for their failures in life.

It’s always great when homosexuals do the same. A lot of expertise there.

In a real and successful political movements the cream rises while the pond scum sinks, this has not been the case in White Nationalism. In fact the pond scum has drowned out the crème and driven out many valuable assets, including families, which provide the next generation.

I have often talked about Gresham’s law in Der Movement, and the need to weed out defectives or else the defectives would alienate all the sane and rational people. Instead, we have promoted “chips and genetic modifiers in vaccines and house flies exterminated by ‘bullets flying everywhere.”  Good job!

Too often the pond scum of the motionless Movement are all too willing to sacrifice future growth, including generational growth all so they can be the biggest turd in the toilet, i.e. so they can self-confer some grand title in a group of 3 or 4. Groups like RaRaza, MeCha, NAACP, and ADL have understood the key to success is discipline, advancing their agenda to the next generation, and most importantly completely absent in these organizations is the fragmentation, character issues and cannibalism based on personality tiffs. These Organizations message has been consistent, disciplined and above all, they are led by the best and the brightest of their respective Organizations and never allow pond scum in the membership to run off their assets. Too many quality people, especially families have walked away NOT because they grew tired of harassment by the ADL and SPLC, but because they burned out on the internal drama and vicious attacks from anonymous White Nationalist “E-Activists”, who are often so self-loathing and disappointed with their own failures in life, that they attack others who have been successful because of hard work, education, discipline, and character.

“They” – Johnson, Jeelvy, et al.  Also note that Martin recognizes something that I have often written about – ironically, the Left, which supports affirmative action, has organizations run by their “best and brightest.” Now, Martin doesn’t talk about Der Movement’s ethnic affirmative action, but he does note that the “motionless Movement” is led by “pond scum.”

Finally, the greatest weakness and the most glaring reason why “White Nationalism” fails, is a large number, most likely 75 percent, of those who self-identify as “White Nationalists” and frequent the various White Nationalist web sites do so as an internet based hobby only and really do not hold White Nationalist beliefs as core principles that guide their life.

Certainly. Beavis-and-Butthead drunken Alt Right podcasts, “Irony bros,” Millennial jackasses, people using Der Movement for “gay pickups,” and all the rest.  The big tent!

These self-described “hard core” “Nazis”, “Racialists”, “Racists”, “Identists”, etc, when pushed on solid racial ideological issues always retreat to making exceptions for their favorite mixed race or Non White friend or family member or even bed mate.

All too true.

In many cases they are all too willing to accept Jews and Homosexuals…

Mostly the latter.

….as “contributors to the Cause”, just attend AmRen or the American Freedom Party conflabs, it will not be too difficult to trip over a Jew and land in the lap of a Homosexual…

Pilleater beware!

…while hearing speakers opine at the state of “White Culture” and “White Civilization”. Those speakers generally have Non White spouses…

Hello, Derb!

…or same sex spouses which make these so called “Pro-White”, “Traditionalist”, and “Nationalist” gatherings even more hypocritical.

Hypocrisy in Der Movement?  Say it Aint so!

American “White Nationalism” because of its hobby based nature is nothing more than a hodgepodge of various groups with a Baskin-Robbins like ideologies, i.e. 31 flavors, SOMETHING to suit everyone.

The big tent!

This is so typically weak it provides no real viable alternative to the current political system. But then again, White Nationalists are not really serious about it to begin with.

True.

White Nationalism is in reality an internet based hobby. While some, such as David Duke and Don Black make a decent living…

Then we have folks who earn $180.000 in a year…more than a “decent living.”  Why doesn’t Martin mention them?  I sure will, in future posts.

Libertarianism: a vast majority of self-described White Nationalists are in reality “Libertarians”, despite their professed support for National Socialism.

Der Alt Right!  WN 2.0!

They are the first to invoke “Liberty”, “Freedom”, and “Individualism”, which are the 3 primary ingredients that have led to the destruction of White Western Christian Civilization on the North American Continent.

It’s just the flu, bro!  Hail Shelly Luther!

Character: simply put, a huge majority of self-described White Nationalists lack the character, discipline, and honor to put a real Movement above themselves and are in reality web site and podcast Groupies rather than political or ideological soldiers.

Hello ,Greg Johnson.

Symbolism or Substance: White Nationalists are like cats and the laser light. White Nationalists fall in love like a teenage girl for every new face, and declare their allegiance to the new “fuhrer”, that says something catchy, only to be disappointed when they learn he is saying something different to different people, has no real ideological core, likes Jews, blah, blah, blah.

Trump?  Reagan?  Putin? Paul?

This has plagued White Nationalism for years as it is common to hear White Nationalists say, “all we need is THE LEADER”. Well, White Nationalism has LOTS of Leaders, what it lacks is ideas and a broad based Ideology. Groups like the ADL, LaRaza, MeCha: NAACP, DO have ideas and are committed to an ideology and are successful regardless of who is in charge. White Nationalism fails to understand this ON PURPOSE because unlike MeCha, La Raza, the ADL, NAACP, et al, White Nationalism is like a video game, it is fantasy, an escape, a HOBBY. There is NO real desire to do what is discussed.

True.

Compromised: Too many self-described White Nationalists, even those who profess to be “hardcore” are compromised or are all too willing to compromise on the Race issue. Jared Taylor and his AmRen Jew Crew takes the position “Jews are White”…

They’re HuWhhhiittteee….

…The National Youth Front, a brainchild of the American Freedom Party, itself Jew compromised, started off led by a leader married to a Non White who proudly supported Israel. Its current “Leader” is a self-proclaimed “anti-supremacist” and hypnotist who uses Hollywood imagery as examples of White Ancestors. 

What else is new?

While Marxist Organizations use the internet as an effective tool to marshal resources, communicate and to move resources from one ground operation to another, White Nationalists use it to engage in the most depraved cannibalism which in the end denies the motionless Movement the essential tools in the toolbox to grow and develop from a Struggle into a Movement.

E.g.,the Greg Johnson feuds.

The White Nationalist Movement is dominated by individuals who by any standard should be as far away as possible from any alternative political revolutionary struggle and most certainly no mainstream political movement would tolerate the absolute crap that is seen in the motionless White Nationalist Movement.

So, Martin are I are in absolute agreement here.  He doesn’t mention the affirmative action policy though.

Because of the complete lack of self-policing and the complete absence of character, discipline, and honor, White Nationalism allows any mentally defective low life with a PC and internet connectivity to declare themselves some sort of “Supreme Chancellor” by night from the Imperial HQ of their Momma’s basement, as is the case with many well-known personalities in the motionless Movement, and go on rampages in the Superman Underoos attacking people who come into the motionless Movement with real talent, abilities and experience that is desperately needed.

Those “people who come into the motionless Movement with real talent, abilities and experience that is desperately needed” are “insane” and “indecent.” And of the wrong ethnic background.

In almost every case the talent leaves because people with real lives, i.e. families, careers, etc, have little time for this nonsense and the motionless Movement is left as it always has been, the same little sewer dominated by the same little turds who think they are big fish in the small pond.

True.

To all of this I say NO THANKS. I have a wife and 5 children and have better things to do.

Gresham’s law in action.

Apart from the caveat in the beginning, I agree with ~95% of what Martin writes here. Well, I also disagree with the general pro-White female attitude – that’s included in the ~5% of difference.  Those are relatively minor points.

I congratulate him for this fine essay, and for the understanding underlying it. Job well done!

Typology Nationalism?

A dual track?

Let’s consider the latest ethnonationalist vs. pan-European “dust-up,” triggered by Johnson’s unprovoked attack against pan-Europeanism.  Now, it is my opinion that much of these attacks are motivated by underlying pernicious agendas, and alleged support for an ostensibly authentic and honest ethnonationalism is equally motivated by such unsavory agendas.

But let us for the sake of argument assume sincerity on all sides. Let us further assume that ethnonationalism, albeit regrettable, may be somewhat understandable in Europe itself, with all of the old World historical grudges, feuds, and inter-ethnic animus that exist there, as well as the stronger ties of ethnicity, blood, and soil in the Old World. But why would White Americans be so fervently ethnonationalist?  Again, I aver unsavory motives, but if we put that aside, can we consider the possibility that certain personality and ideological and temperament types – typologies – may predispose activists to be ethnonationalist or pan-European (the “pat” answer of Nordicists that pan-Europeanism is a “Med thing” is not supported by the evidence of well-known Northern European-derived pan-Europeanists).

So…typology.  Note that although we are starting this analysis with White Americans, the same applies for Whites everywhere, including Europe. Just because Europeans may have a somewhat greater excuse to go down the ethnonationalist rabbit (or hobbit, eh?) hole, does not mean that the same psychometric and ideological characteristics are not in play there as well. There are both European ethnonationalists and European pan-Europeanists.

Consider my fascist typology. It has a discussion of the types of “movement” ideologies typically associated with each time.  Of course, it’s not always going to be a perfect match; there will always be exceptions. But if suffices for our purposes. Thus, ethnonationalists and Nordicists are typically Type Is and pan-Europeanists are typically Type IIs. If we make the reasonable assumption that the Type I vs. Type II distinction is inherent in an activist’s character, a more or less fixed trait, then we may well wonder whether trying to convert people between being ethnonationalists or Nordicists on the one hand, and pan-Europeanists on the other hand, is essentially a useless exercise.  And perhaps that is one reason why people defend these ideologies so vehemently – their identity, at least their activist (if not personal) identity – is intimately tied into being one sort of “ist” vs. another. Just as “conservative” vs. “liberal” tends to be innate, so may be certain intra-“movement” distinctions.

So, should we then have a dual track, typology-based nationalism? The Type Is can do their ethnonationalism (or Nordicism or whatever other narrower form of identity politics), while the Type IIs can do their pan-Europeanism. The former can be the “Outer Party” working in their more specific sphere while the latter (“Inner Party”) works at the higher level, moving between these various smaller identities and integrating them in a whole.  So, you have dual tracks, usually working separately, but in the same general direction, with some cooperation between them. This would be analogous to Norman Lowell’s distinction between Dominion (the more narrow level) and Imperium (the broader level, which deals with High Politics).

Some time ago, I wrote:

I would argue that—at least theoretically—a person can be, at the same time, both pan-Europeanist and Nordicist, or pan-Europeanism and pan-Slavist, pan-Germanist, ethnic nationalist, etc., so long as the all the latter “ists” in question are of a “defensive” nature, and that the pan-Europeanism respects and values narrower particularisms. Of course, even if this is true, it is natural to expect that certain levels of ethnic interests would be more important to an activist than others (e.g., a Russian may be a Russian nationalist first, a pan-Slavist second, and a pan-Europeanist third).

More importantly, even if this melding of activist identities does not often occur in the real world, it should, at minimum, be possible for individuals identifying themselves solely as pan-European or Nordicist or pan-Slavic or pan-German or Basque nationalist-separatist or English/British nationalist to productively and respectfully work together to achieve common objectives, even if there are important points of disagreement remaining between them. 

So, what about the basic question – is a dual track, tolerant, typology nationalism possible?The answer: No.  As I’ve previously asserted, I was dead wrong in that Counter-Currents article. The problem is that ethnonationalists (i.e., ethnoimperialists) and Nordicists are themselves too intolerant; they view pan-Europeanism as a threat to their niche space. Therefore, cooperation is not possible.  Note that every time there is one of these “dust-ups,” it is that side – the ethnonationalists, Nordicists, etc. – that is always the aggressor. For example, out of nowhere, Johnson had to mendaciously attack pan-Europeanism. In the various Nordicist vs. pan-European arguments (or even the Nord/Med debates), it’s always the Nordicists who were and are the aggressors. I have personal experience with Nordicists always trying to infiltrate pan-European groups, to divide, to subvert, to cause problems, to wreck pan-European White solidarity and the groups’ function. An older example of that is the whole Rockwell-Patler-Pierce fiasco; the relationship between Rockwell and Patler was stable until Pierce entered the scene, pushing the American Nazi Party into a Nordicist direction and undermining Patler (who would have been better off with Madole and the National Renaissance Party). I won’t even mention the Tommasi tragedy.  

So, cooperation is not possible, and Nordicists cannot be allowed into pan-European groups or they’ll wreck them, and infiltrators, once identified, have to be ejected (the same applies to Medicists, but they are a powerless and inconsequential “movement” faction, if they actually exist within Der Movement). Essentially, the same applies to the hardcore ethnonationalists, who are actually ethnoimperialists.  True enough, given the concentric nature of group identities and genetic interests, one cannot take the same very broad hard line with (mild) ethnonationalists as with the Nordicists; there is nothing wrong with a pan-Europeanist also having some allegiance to smaller, more focused areas of identity and interest. But narrower identity has to be secondary; a hardcore ethnonationalist who puts – or pretends to put (for ethnoimperialist reasons) – their narrow group first and foremost is a destabilizing element and does not belong in authentic pan-European politics. It goes without saying that HBDers – who worship Jews and Asians and who favor aracial cognitive elitism – also have no business in any pan-European group.  As HBD is in essence literally defined by opposition to pan-Europeanism, any HBDer would be an infiltrator, a disrupter, an agent provocateur, a mole, in a pan-European group.

So, perhaps unfortunately, the tolerant dual track model of racial nationalism, based upon fitting people into roles best fitted to their innate typologies, won’t work, because most Type Is are inherently hostile to pan-Europeanism (*). There is no compatibility whatsoever; to defend themselves against this raging intolerance, pan-Europeanists must be intolerant themselves. It is justifiable self defense.


However, the association between Fascist Typology and ideology, while strong, is not absolute.  While there are very few Type II ethnonationalists (and perhaps zero Nordicists), there are a (minority) fraction of Type Is who are at least amenable to pan-Europeanism; some may actually openly support it. Others may be completely neutral, or so weakly ethnonationalist that they are in that small group who actually can be changed (that does not conflict what is written above, which deals with the more typical majority of cases).  So, while converting the more hardcore majority – or plurality – of the Type Is may not be possible, making the argument for pan-Europeanism to Type Is can still be useful, as long as we understand that we are targeting only a thoughtful, open-minded minority.  Further, even though we may not be able to convert the others, we possibly can decrease their hostility, so they can promote an ethnonationalism that exemplifies positive ideals rather than just being a knee-jerk rejection of pan-Europeanism (this better attitude would seem more likely with European activists, who would tend to have a more positive ethnic nationalism for reasons explained above).


*That some of the more dishonest of them use Yockey in instrumental fashion is possible only because Yockey himself is not around to denounce them. One can only imagine what FPY would think of individuals who write pieces “in defense of petty nationalism.”  The mind boggles.

Odds and Ends, 5/7/20

In der news.

What was the discovery?  How to spread it to Whites more effectively?  Seriously though, one wonders why one Chinese would kill another with this coronavirus connection.  It does make one wonder.

Another Asian beauty!  Awkward squad sweatily murmurs, “hubba hubba.”

Yet another Asian beauty!  The face that launched a thousand vomits.

I mean, can you get any more alien and TROPICAL than that?  That’s part of the pan-colored TROPICAL ALLIANCE against Whites.  Derbyshire weeps.

This is the natural outcome of the anti-White Jewish-Chinese alliance.  The truth has been revealed. Silkers weep.

“Canada is also viewed as a very multicultural space, a safe space,” she said. In the past, many newcomers from India would settle in the Toronto area, but now, there’s “a saturation of too many international students in Ontario” so they’re looking further afield, and attending colleges, as well as universities, to take courses that will lead to work here in Canada.

In other words, the niche space of Ontario is already full of yellow and brown Asiatics, who have depleted that space like a plague of locusts descending on a crop field. Time to move on to fresh pastures!

Who is betraying White interests in Canada? Must be a wop, right?  Looks like a Med!

The comments are the best part of this absurdly biased tweet.  Methinks Duchesne is reading too much MacDonald.  “Important” – the only thing the krauts are “important” for is forcibly spreading multiculturalism in Europe.  If your taint of MacDonaldism is too strong to consider any Southern Europeans as “important” enough, then how about Russia?  Or are they out for being not “Western?’’ I agree with the commentators who aver that if Duchesne’s options are our only choices, then we’re done.  It’s all over.


And that is why I have contempt for Italy and Italians.  They allow themselves to be so airily dismissed, to be considered unimportant in world affairs; worse, they apparently have so little dignity and pride that it does not bother them that they are held to no account.  And that is why it is unfair to criticize, much less mock, Cola di Rienzi and Benito Mussolini for their failures.  At least they tried.  What could they do, given the abysmal human material they had to work with? 


As regards any progress from today’s Italy, one can only hope that Milady Meloni has the “balls” that Italian “males” so obviously lack. The “males” can sing from balconies…in soprano.

To better understand why the Alt Right collapsed, the following are the chapters, in the Sedgwick book, on “emergent thinkers (sic)” on the Far Right:

art III Emergent Thinkers

12 Mencius Moldbug and Neoreaction

13 Greg Johnson and Counter-Currents

14 Richard B. Spencer and the Alt Right

15 Jack Donovan and Male Tribalism

16 Daniel Friberg and Metapolitics in Action

And there you go….a Jew, a mendacious gaslighting Quota Queen grifter, The Master of Disaster, a homosexual, and a Swede once allied with the Spencer faction (albeit I know little about Friberg and as of today have no “beef” with him).

After reading this, I have the following to say. HBDers support Jews and support Israel.  HBDers literally worship Jews the same as they worship East Asians.  HBD is the enemy.  What will YOU do to oppose HBD?

Anthropological note: Has anyone else ever noticed that East Asians typically have long and thin fingernail nail beds (I presume the feet are the same – maybe some awkward squader can inform us about that after they get up from some measured groveling)?  That contrasts to the shorter and broader nail beds of Europeans (and West Eurasians in general). Interestingly, watching a YouTube video, I noticed that a (predominantly) Amerind “Hispanic” also had long thin nail beds, suggesting a general racial characteristic pre-dating the East Asian/Amerind split (assuming these anecdotal data are reflective of the broader reality).  What the adaptive value of this may be, I do not know.

The other shoe drops?  I suppose Johnson realizes his ethnonationalist shtick is not truly compatible with White nationalism, so the latter must be bashed.  Hey Greg, the problem is with Der Movement (including you), not with “White nationalism.”

That “traumatic” start to the sex life, I suppose.

Who’s a White Nationalist?

Not Brimelow.

An online dictionary definition of “nationalism” –

…identification with one’s own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.

It’s simply this question – what does one consider their “own nation” to be? If the highest form of “own nation” is “the White race” (however defined), and if the above definition applies, then one is a “White nationalist.”  Of course, it is a bit more complex than that, since the culture and ideology of White nationalism has evolved to the point where we can say that certain ideologies, memes, and paradigms are consistent, or not consistent, with being a White nationalist.  Read this.

For “white nationalist” to be a slur, the term itself would have to be generally accepted as immoral or derogatory. It would also have to be used in a way that incorrectly labels one a white nationalist. Calling Greg Johnson, a white nationalist, for example, is not a slur. He embraces the label.

The interpretation of the term white nationalist is just one interesting aspect of the lawsuit brought by Peter Brimelow, editor of VDare. He is suing the New York Times, according to Brimelow, for falsely labeling him a white nationalist. He not only denies being a white nationalist, he claims the company deliberately labeled him as such in an effort to damage his reputation, even after he made many good faith attempts to point out the error to them. He is seeking $5 million in damages.

Another interesting bit of this is the unspoken dispute over what exactly makes someone a white nationalist. Greg Johnson, for example, has written a book describing white nationalism. He calls himself a white nationalist. Peter Brimelow, in contrast, has never used to term to describe himself and has been generally negative toward the use of it as a label. No doubt both men share similar opinions on many matters, but they have many important differences as well.

Who is the best to decide if someone is a White nationalist? How the person in question self-identifies of course is important.  Perhaps even more telling and powerful is the opinions of others who consider themselves to be White nationalists. Do they consider the person in question to be a White nationalist or not? The opinions of numbers of actual self-identified White nationalists are no doubt more accurate than that of the hacks of The New York Times.

Readers of this blog know that I – a self-identified White nationalist – am no fan of Peter “Happy Penguins” Brimelow.  However, I 100% support his action against The New York Times.  Why?  Because Brimelow is 100% correct and 100% honest in denying being a White nationalist.

Brimelow is not a White nationalist.  A true White nationalist would not give a forum to the likes of Derbyshire, never mind being friends with that “man.”  I view Brimelow, if he actually has an ideology other than being pro-Happy Penguins, as a Paleoconservative immigration restrictionist and as someone who, if they are not a HBDer themselves, is certainly sympathetic to the “race realist” view.  I see no evidence that Brimelow subscribes to ORION – Our Race Is Our Nation – no evidence that he believes that the likes of Michelle Malkin and “Rosie” Derbyshire should not be part of his nation.

Likewise, I do not view Jared Taylor as a White nationalist, and, indeed, he has self-identified as a “White advocate” and a “Yellow supremacist”  as well as a “race realist.”  Ideologically, he’s similar to Brimelow, albeit being more strongly identified to both a “White identity” and to HBD.

Greg Johnson? Well, he not only self-identifies as a White nationalist, but also writes books attempting to tell us all what White nationalism means.  On the other hand, his extreme identification with petty nationalist ethnonationalism, and his blog’s promotion of what I term “ethnoimperialism” (the ideology of Northwest Europeans colonizing other people’s nations and turning those nations into their private brothel or “crash pad”) calls into question just what kind of White nationalist he really is.  That’s a debate for another time.

Pierce, Strom, and Duke can be considered White nationalists, but for them, the question always is/was what precisely do they mean by “White” – in fact an issue for most of Der Movement.

Spencer is floating in an ideological “no man’s land” currently.  Certainly, in the past he could be considered to be a White nationalist; what he is now I do not know.

MacDonald? I do not know how he self-identifies, and his current infatuation with HBD Nordicism raises the question as to his ingroup, but I suppose he may fall in the same category as Pierce, Strom, and Duke – it depends on what you mean by “White.”  A clarification on his part with respect to self-identification would be helpful.

As far as all of the Millennial activists out there, all I hear from them is basically Beavis-and-Butthead sniggering, so who knows?

Brimelow, however, is fully justified in his action and we can only wish him well in that endeavor.

“Movement” comments:

Laurence
Posted January 14, 2020 at 10:30 am | Permalink
Just to be balanced about men going bonkers for sexual favors, some established and purportedly sane men have gone ga-ga for bum-boys, Jeremy Thorpe and Lord Brown come to mind.

Yes, and not only them.

From TOO:

In these times of true degenerate modernity we really do need figures that are wholesome and are worthy of emulation. That’s why Hitler has so many admirers in our circles, nobody (apart from the usual suspects) has yet produced any evidence of degeneracy or weirdness in his personal life.

Two words: Geli Raubal.