Category: who is White

Sallis’ Law vs. Godwin’s Law

A comparison.

“As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1”; that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or his deeds, the point at which effectively the discussion or thread often ends.

Following up on this, let us rewrite the above into Sallis’ ‘Law:

“As a “movement” discussion grows longer, the probability of someone commenting about racial admixture in Southern Europeans and/or Eastern Europeans approaches 1″; that is, if a “movement” discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later (typically sooner) someone will question the “Whiteness” of Southern Europeans and/or Eastern Europeans, the point at which effectively the discussion or thread descends into Nordicism, ethnic fetishism, and fossilized “movement” dogma.

No matter what the topic – Jews, the weather, Babe Ruth’s batting average, the thrust of the Saturn V rocket’s first stage, the price of tea in China – any “movement” discussion will eventually converge onto racial admixture in Southern and Eastern Europe.  It is inevitable, inescapable, expected.

Sallis’ Law is stronger than Godwin’s Law, since it will be, on average, actualized much sooner in the discussion.  After all, what is more fundamental to Der Movement, Inc. than animus toward, and lies about, Southern and Eastern Europeans?

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Reductio ad Absurdum

Identity and separation.

Aside from all my other criticisms of the testing companies, and the idea of using imprecise data with wide error bars for “cutoffs,” there is a more fundamental problem with the idea of any definitive defined cutoff, and one shared with phenotypic rankings such as McCulloch’s “Nordish scale.”

Any ranking cutoff – typically arbitrarily determined – that would result in “blood” members of the same monoracial family being “binned” into different polities is logically absurd and untenable and would almost certainly (and rightfully) be rejected by the population. Let’s indulge in a bit of reductio ad absurdum to illustrate the point.

Imagine a White family, an extended family wholly of European descent. Let’s make the example even starker – let us assume they are all of the same ethnic group.  But, alas, brothers Jim and Tom differ by 1% on some component of an (likely imprecise) ancestry test,  and this crosses a cutoff threshold, so Jim goes to one ethnostate and Tom to another – and these are full brothers of a monoracial and monoethnic family. The same principle applies if Jim has a “Nordish rankling” one point different from Tom. And what about the rest of the family?

Mom goes to one state, Dad to another. Siblings, parents and children, husbands and wives – all could be placed in different ethnostates based on arbitrary cutoffs on rankings derived from genetic ancestry testing or based on someone’s subjective analysis of physical appearance.

The (weak) counter-argument would be “Well, the same principle holds for racially mixed families – under any racialist plan, they would be separated, they would object, and if they wish, they can go to the outgroup ethnostate, away from us.”  

How can you compare the two sets of circumstances? They are qualitatively and quantitatively different.

On the one hand, you have Mary Sue Mudshark marrying Tyrone Carjacker; on the other hand, you have two full brothers of a monoethnic family who differ by percentage points on an ancestry test.  On the one hand, you have John Omegashire marrying a Chinatrix; on the other hand, you have someone deciding that two family members of the same ethny differ by one point on their “Nordish ranking” and so must be separated – or the “in” person has to decide to follow the “out” person and leave the ethnostate. It’s not the same thing at all. Racial identity is at the core of racialism, it is its entire meaning, and racial intermarriage abrogates that – but arbitrarily drawn cutoffs on fuzzy genetic testing or on subjective phenotypic rankings do NOT define racial identity.

You can make exceptions based on family relationships – but then that conflates to ethnic ancestry.  So, the only logical, consistent, and reasonable policy – and one that has the greatest chance of acceptance by sane people – is to “bin” people based on their ethnic ancestry and overall racial identity, and only use those other determinations for cases in which ethnic designation is unknown (e.g., adoption).

It is one thing to separate people based on their racial and ethnic identity; i.e., separating different races and ethnic groups from each other. It’s another thing entirely to separate members of the same race or even the same ethnic group from one another based on arbitrarily determined criteria. This latter situation leads to the absurdity of separating members of a monoracial or even monoethnic family from each other based on those criteria. Solving the problems inherent in the latter situation inevitably leads to the former situation – simply separating people based on determined identities based on historically established ethnic groups and the major racial groups to which those ethnic groups belong.

I imagine that some would then try to invoke a leftist argument here – “Ethnic and racial groups are also arbitrary,” but that is objectively false and goes against the entire meaning of racial activism (and ethnonationalism for those interested in that). There are historically determined ethnic groups that have a biological basis, and race can be similarly determined.  Some may argue that looking from a purely genetic and biological basis that there are some “fuzzy” boundaries for race and ethnicity.  But this is the nature of biological reality – and even non-biological reality as well (define color, define location, etc.).  But, even so, particularly at the level of continental-scale population groups (races), there is good clustering, and, even more importantly, racial and ethnic identifies have components in addition to the purely biological (although that is the most important), and all of these components together create distinctive ethnic and racial identities even if any one component in isolation is fuzzy.  Read more about all of that here.

This would seem to be common sense, but I’ve been arguing against the idea of arbitrary cutoffs that would cut across racial, ethnic (and family!) lines since the early 2000s, and it is still necessary to do so today.

Der Marching Movement

Some points.

Read this.

What is Populism? is a truly terrible, even contemptible performance. Müller is Professor of Politics at Princeton University, so he’s not totally stupid. What’s stupid is the Left-liberal democratic ideology and system that he defends. One gets the impression that he has lived so long in the echo chamber of academia and the middle-brow press that he has never really articulated and challenged his own political convictions. You’d think that would come with the territory as Professor of Politics at Princeton. But they don’t make Princeton professors like they used to. I think Müller stumbles so badly because, for perhaps the first time in his life, he has blundered out of the cave into the sunlight.

But take heart: an establishment this out of touch is truly doomed.

That was a reasonably good analysis by Johnson.  As he is a full time activist – living off donations – he certainly has the time to read, and review, all these books.  One problem is that he’s preaching to the choir here. How to get these analyses out to a broader population?  After all, I thought Counter-Currents was all for the “big tent” and wants to normalize WN?

Johnson should challenge Muller to a debate on the subject of populism. There’s not much of a chance that Muller would accept, but what do you have to lose (assuming Johnson believes he could win such a debate)?  In the off chance Muller accepts, that would be a major promotion of Johnson’s views; if Muller objects, or ignores the invite, he can be publicly accused of intellectual cowardice.

This is a relevant point to my concerns about funding – I don’t begrudge anyone living off donations as long as they earn it. The question is whether anyone is earning it, according to my standards. Giving a forum to scum like Derbyshire is not a step in the right direction in that regard.  Breaking through the System’s cordon sanitaire to promote positive memes would be step in the right direction. Activists should only contribute donations to those people doing positive things. But, alas, the walking wallets disagree with my assessment and will continue to fund retrograde destructiveness.  Such is life.

As regards this: “But take heart: an establishment this out of touch is truly doomed.”

Does that apply to Der Movement, Inc. as well? We can only hope.  And the fate of the Alt Right give us good reason to hope.  The good old boy network is not invincible, even with the narrow confines of racial activism itself (and it is that context I am talking about, as the network is absolutely inept – far from invincible – in tackling the System).

Whites as a defeated and despairing race.

Why not?  They thought they were electing a pro-White right-wing populist as President, and instead they got a radically left-wing Antifa supporter.

Interesting how Sailer talks about Whites as a race.  Hey, Breezy Steve, I thought that White nationalism is “impossible” because we can’t figure out who is, or is not, “White?’  But you seem to do so in every other column.  Of course you include Jews as “White”- what was your ancestry again?  And does Unz pay you?

An excellent gamester comment below.  Note how Asians are included in the non-White hordes.  Colored is as colored does.  They are all the same.

For reasons that are a mystery to me, I like to put myself into the shoes – or more accurately, into ‘da haid’ — of a nonWhite in America or any White country. What I feel on these jaunts into their skulls is their simple and unbridled joy, their unshaken belief in a bright future that rests on this one, single foundation: wypipo will continue to play by the rules.
Those rules being, that we (I’m back to me now, a White) will continue to be the inanimate backdrop of social capital that lays a nice habitat for blacks, browns and yellows though our competence, niceness, our imbecilic good cheer. One-man-one-vote and the browning of America mean that we’ll resign ourselves to the shifting electoral reality just like individual trees continue to stand around and cast shade and look pretty no matter how many trees around them are cut down.
Whether we’re talking about a 70-IQ black or the 110-IQ Asian, they lack the flexibility of imagination that would let them envision a dynamic system within which, when pressure is turned up on Whites, Whites stop playing by the rules of present-day’s strange, unstable moment of transition between the old complacent America of plenty and the new America whose myths of plurality are becoming Boomer-relics.

While Roissy writes about “pasta naggers,” I write about BOTH the Italian question and about “cuck naggers.” This blog attempts to be honest about, and critical about, all ethnies, while the quota queens are ever-so-selective.

This is interesting.  Fascinating that they didn’t prioritize a particular Borreby individual, but, what can you say?

I was listening to a Radio Europa podcast which was going well until the commentators started critiquing the idea of a European Imperium, using all sorts of retarded straw man arguments.  It doesn’t matter how often one points out that even an extreme integrationist like Yockey supported local sovereignty.  No sir!  Those horrific “Greek Orthodox” people are going to torment you mercilessly by their very existence, so no Imperium for you!  Of course, having nice “Commonwealth” West Indians and South Asians around is all fine and dandy, eh?.  In other words – Rotherham good, Brittas Bay bad.

Ahhh…cuck naggers.  Shakin’ mah haid…amirite?  [Gamesters weep]

OK, to be fair, they don’t want the Blacksters and Brownsters around either. But their hysterical reaction to the Imperium idea, without discussing the nuances, is despicable, and deserves to be mocked.

Sallis vs. Sailer on the Census

Sailer’s HBDite stupidity.

Those who read Sailer often see his “Flight from White” ramblings about the US Census.  Steverino is opposed to Middle Eastern North African (MENA) being a separate category from “White” – he wants the MENA folks lumped in with Euro-Americans.  He has also criticized the fact that South Asians have already been removed from the “White” category due to South Asian ethnic lobbying (similarly, the MENA crowd are actively lobbying for the same).  Sailer notes that these groups in the past wanted to be counted as “White,” but now that Whites are a subaltern “untouchable” group in today’s Jewish-Colored Supremacist America, the NECs want to flee as fast away from “White” as possible.”

However, the point has to be: what is best for America and more specifically what is best for Whites – Euro-Americans?  I do not remember Sailer ever clearly stating (at least at VDARE – I don’t care about the Unz site) why having NECs counted as White is something desirable.  Trying to parse Sailer’s “writings” I conclude that he believes that if MENAs and South Asians are “binned” as “White” then they will (be forced to) identify politically with Whites and White interests, reinforcing the power of the majority and its interests.  The fact that these groups were (South Asians) or are (MENAs) grouped with Whites and certainly reject any sort of “White” identity, political or otherwise, somehow escapes Sailer.  That the Jews have always been politically counted as “White” and have been the greatest enemy White Americans have ever had also escapes Sailer’s HBD brilliance.

Sailer confuses cause and effect.  He apparently believes that how people are categorized in the census affects how they consider themselves in a racial-social sense.  This is clearly not the case.  Instead, the reality is that how people consider themselves in the racial-social sense determines how they want to be categorized in the census.  There’s also crypsis involved: while Jews do not consider themselves “White” in the same sense Euro-Americans do, Jews also have an instinctive urge for crypsis, to want to hide their alieness, made easier for most Ashkenazi since the typical mind-benumbed White gentile cannot identify obvious Jews (but usually can identify gentile Middle Easterners, South Asians, etc.).  So, for the most part, Jews are content to be legally “White” despite not really considering themselves so; on the other hand, (non-Jewish) MENAs and South Asians have no desire for crypsis and for the most have part no chance of being successful at crypsis even if they were so inclined.

So, Sailer’s wrong-headed ramblings on this subject are his typical “look how clever I am posturing” in which he usually ends up looking like a pompous idiot (in other words, an HBDer).

There are real costs to Sailer’s agenda here, costs for Whites.  Binning MENAs (including Jews by the way) as “White,” never mind doing the same for South Asians, obfuscates, masks, and hides the degree of real demographic change, artificially inflates White numbers, and dampens down something that any White racialist (as opposed to an anti-White HBDer) wants to see occur: a strong White reaction against demographic displacement.  Here Sailer is on the same page as the System, as the Left, which wants to calm White fears, promote an “anyone can become White” storyline, and postpone White political reaction to race replacement reality.

We need to know the real demographic facts on the ground, no matter how harsh, instead of indulging in deadly fantasies that say that if a previously White town becomes transformed into a holding pen for Syrian refugees, then no demographic change has taken place.

Euro-Americans should have their own category.  Indeed, we should drill down even deeper.  Even with intra-White mating blurring ethnic boundaries, it would still be useful to know how many White Americans identify as various ethnic groups, etc.  Knowledge is good, as they say.  And contra Sailer, asking people if they identify as German-American is not going to lead to a revival of the Bund.  

Short summary: observe what it is that the HBDers recommend and support the opposite.

Whither the White Ethnics

Men or mice?

Considering all the usual “movement” shenanigans, which go on and on without end, it is clear that Der Movement, Inc. has nothing to offer to so-called White ethnics (Southern Europeans, Eastern Europeans, and Irish Catholics).

At best, you’ll be nothing more than a subaltern step-and-fetchit caste; at worst, you are “the niggers of Europe” (Irish), “Euroniggers” (Italians), “Asiatic subhumans” (Slavs), “Med filth” (all Southern Europeans”), “Tatars” (Russians), “hora-dancing Gypsies” (Romanians), or “greasy Gypsies” (the Hungarian Orban, of all people, has been called that).  And if you say that “movement leaders” don’t believe that or use that language, I’ll tell you that at best they tolerate it (wink, wink, nod, nod) at their websites and in their organizations, and at worst, they really do believe it and encourage it (typically indirectly so as to keep enough “cover” to maximize tin cup panhandling among their White ethnic adherents).

What then to do if you are a racially aware White ethnic?  Indifference or hostility to racial nationalism is maladaptive. Narrow ethnonationalism is a self-defeating dead end. So is any sort of makeshift subracialism or regionalism. Staying within Der Movement, Inc. and accepting it as it is means that you really are the cringing racially degenerate inferiors the fetishists claim you are.  

What is necessary is for all pan-European-minded persons of European stock worldwide – both the Anglo-Germanic pan-Europeanists and the White ethnic pan-Europeanists – to together reject the Old Movement, and build a New Movement, based on sound principles (my suggestions are here).

Unfortunately, I suspect that for the most part this will fall on deaf eyes and blind eyes, and many White ethnic racial activists will be content to fil the role of “movement” court jesters, vying for table scraps, the target of (in this case) well-deserved contempt and disdain.  Why should you expect Anglo-Germanic pan-Europeanists to be concerned if you won’t lift a finger to help yourselves first?  A pan-European Movement cannot be a mirror image of the EU – or at least, popular perceptions of the EU – where hard-working and disciplined Germanics have to carry along lazy, undisciplined, and incompetent PIGS peoples. I’ve tried to do my part for two decades; why can’t the rest of you demonstrate that there are some men left among the micks, wops, dagoes, and hunkies?  

Men or mice?  You decide.

Now, let’s flip the analysis, and look at it from the perspective of the “movement.”  What I say to Der Movement is this.  If you want to restrict your ingroup to Anglo-Germanic Europeans, if you want to repel and eschew White ethnics, then by all means continue doing what you are doing, full steam ahead, you’re doing a great job.  However, if you want to appeal to, and recruit, White ethnics, I must tell you in all sincerity that you are sabotaging your efforts on a regular basis. Typically, the way to appeal to, and recruit, people is not to constantly and gratuitously offend them, distort their identities, and go out of your way to use dubious (at best) or obviously ludicrous (at worst) memes to undermine your target audience and say, in so many words (and sometimes more or less directly), that they are worthless.  It’s also not conducive for recruitment when you use dubious or ludicrous memes to denigrate those you ostensibly want to recruit, while suppressing genuine, objectively verifiable memes that focus negative attention on outgroups like Jews and Asians.  If your alleged objective is to appeal to all Whites, then you are digging a deep hole for yourselves.  Maybe the first step to remedy the situation is: stop digging.  

An amusing side note: on a pussy pedestalization website, a post about The Godfather.  Excerpt of a comment left, re: “Don Corleone”:

He was a Saracen rape baby and so was his son. 90% White America was a stranger to a not-at-all White Sicilian.

Sallis correct again.  It is impossible for there to be even one post, anywhere in any precinct even tangentially related to Der Movement, about White ethnics without the usual kneejerk response. 

Keep on digging your hole.

HBD and Silk Road News

HBD, Derbyshire, and Asians, oh my.

My listener’s speculation that females are more likely than males to die from wounds goes against the general truth that women survive better than men in most lethal scenarios. This is one aspect of the great universal principle that sperm is cheap but eggs are expensive.  Reading accounts of the Donner Party, for example, one is struck by how many more women than men survived.

Yeah, just off the top of my head, I can make two reasonable hypothesis, re: the Donner party.  First, women have smaller caloric requirements than men (at least back then, when the typical female BMI was less than 10,000), and, second, no doubt the “women and children first” white knighters were giving the women first crack access to food and protection from the cold, and the women were not required to do as much work or take the same risks..

Looking this up at Wikipedia more or less confirmed those ideas:

Men have been found to metabolize protein faster, and women do not require as high a caloric intake. Women also store more body fat, which delays the effects of physical degradation caused by starvation and overwork. Men also tend to take on more dangerous tasks and, in this particular instance, the men were required to clear brush and engage in heavy labor before reaching Truckee Lake, adding to their physical debilitation. Those traveling with family members had a higher survival rate than bachelor males, possibly because family members more readily shared food with each other.

But ignorant retard HBDer (redundancy) Derbyshire extrapolates from that that “the general truth that women survive better than men in most lethal scenarios” and that somehow then women would be better suited to survive combat-like scenarios.  Remember, HBD makes you stupid.

Asians once again behaving exactly like Negroes and other “people of color.”  Colored is as colored does.


The Asian embrace of Color.  Asians hate, hate, hate Whites – never forget it.


Related to that truth: Rizzo comes down, thanks to the pan-Colored alliance of Asians and Blacks.

Question: In the Silker dream of Chinese girls with guns guarding the borders of the West, will the Chinese actually facilitate the Black-Brown Global South invasion of Europe?  After all, the Coloreds need to stick together: it’s their rising tide after all!


But, but, but…I thought that southerners like Italians were high in “anxiety” (as well as “neurosis”); now we are told that Finns are high in anxiety because they are cold-adapted northerners?  HBD…the gift that keeps on giving!


Some White folks.

Watch Out For That Closing Door

Have a nice trip.

Putting aside Derbyshire’s insistence that Jews are “White” – he needs to get together with Sailer and define “White” – the obvious riposte to Derbyshire is as follows. Can we make this retroactive?  Can we deport “Rosie” and “the kids?”  And you as well.  Please say yes. Thank you.  I’m sure China would thank you as well for your addition to their high, high, high-IQ population: Welcome to the Land of the (HBD) Gods.  And goodbye from America. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.