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Countering Counter-Currents

In der news.

Greg Johnson:

Our movement is small, fragile, and easily demoralized. Allowing ourselves to become excited by transparent fakes only lays the foundation for another demoralizing failure.

Hmmm..ya think?  Maybe you guys can stop with the Man on White Horse Syndrome, including one “leader” (Who?  Who was it?  Who? Let us think real hard) breathlessly worrying that the new American Caesar Trump was going to make major improvements in American demographics, thus stabilizing the System and making WN more difficult in the long run.

Alert, alert: monumental lack of self-awareness.  And speaking of transparent fakes: Patrik Hermansson?  Dave Lewis?

And the whole Counter-Currents hostility toward Tommy Robinson is tiresome.  I could care less about Robinson, but that’s the point.  I’m not going to waste time going in that direction, either pro or con.  Is it that some folks get disturbed when the attention (and, hence, the shekels) flow away from them and toward someone else?

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Movement Good Old Boy Mafia

One of the boys.

Notice the mention, and link to, Greg Johnson at Counter-Currents.  I am sure readers of EGI Notes can think of certain blogs dealing with race, science, immigration, politics, etc. that go unmentioned by Der Movement, Inc.  Now, you may argue, goodwhite Derbyshire can hardly be expected to link to blogs or blog writers who have been sharply critical of him.  It’s only natural.

That’s some low information moralizing, friends.  The following are some of Johnson’s characterizations of Derbyshire made at the Counter-Currents blog (emphasis added):

Derbyshire, by the way, is not a White Nationalist at all. He is a conservative cognitive elitist who is married to a Chinese woman and has two non-white children. Beyond that, he has attacked White Nationalists in the most scurrilous terms, referring to AmRen attendees as “latrine flies” and attacking Kevin MacDonald on the most swinish possible grounds. It is only when this sucking up to Jews and centrists failed to save him from the charges of racism that he began to associate with White Nationalists, who were all too willing to cross his palm with silver. Frankly it is disgusting that the donations of White Nationalists are being sluiced into the pockets of this opportunist.

2. RE Derbyshire. Yes, every dog should get one bite. But Derbyshire has been at it long enough to show his agenda. Of course, Derbyshire has “grown” a bit in recent years. At one time, he referred to Am Ren attendees as “latrine flies.” But he changed his tune after Jared Taylor crossed his palm with silver. He’s a fox in the henhouse, eating the lunches of genuine pro-whites.

I first learned of Derbyshire when he penned his critique of Kevin MacDonald and his defense of the craven philosemitism of National Review. That was all I needed to know. He is a loathsome individual, and I avoid his work completely.

You were saying?

Now, in actuality, I agree with Johnson that Derbyshire is a “loathsome individual” and I would go further and say VDARE is a loathsome blog.  They have an agenda that is not compatible with pan-European racial nationalism and therefore their behavior is to be expected.  However, the point is not that the Alt Wrong should be citing the genuine Far Right, the point is simply to demonstrate that there really is a “one of the boys” network – a “mafia” if you will – within the “movement” in which affirmative action recipients, despite harsh attacks against one another, will still consider each other “one of the boys” while those outside the quota system are not.  As Der Movement (hypocritically) likes to say about affirmative action when it is used by the System to favor Negroes and other Coloreds – affirmative action is corrosive of merit, of accomplishment, of quality. Endless decades of “movement” failure are thus explained.  That is the point.

Larson and Counter-Currents

Der Movement, Der Movement, Der Movement marches on.

Read there.  Excerpts, emphasis added;

Among the candidates running against incumbent Rep. Barbara Comstock in Virginia’s Tenth Congressional District is a self-described pedophile who has allegedly admitted he raped his late spouse and advocates what he calls “benevolent white supremacy.” 

After all, this is exactly the kind of press, and public representation, Der Movement needs.  If you in any way question that, you’re obviously “crazy and bitter.”

HuffPost reports that Larson used “Leucosticte” and “Lysander” as user names to post in the chat rooms, where he endorsed child rape and sexual abuse. He reportedly wrote one essay about father-daughter incest and another about raping his ex-wife repeatedly and was asked by HuffPost whether there was a “grain of truth” in the essays. He said there was, and suggested that it’s not uncommon for women to have rape fantasies. 

It is uncommon to write about it and then run for Congress.

Here are some of the agenda items in his lengthy campaign manifesto:

Legalize the possession and distribution of child pornography;

I suppose a certain English (ex) illegal alien will be jumping on the Larson bandwagon.  All aboard!

End minimum age for consumption of alcohol;

That’s the Beavis-and-Butthead Alt Right plank of the manifesto.

Repeal Violence Against Women Act. “We need to switch to a system that classifies women as property, initially of their fathers and later of their husbands,” Larson writes; 

I won’t argue too much against that.

Legalize early marriage

How early?

Legalizing suicide. “Legalizing barbiturates, heavy machine guns, etc. makes available reliable and peaceful means of suicide for those who need them,” his manifesto reads;

If he wants to thin the herd, he can start with Der Movement.

Favors right to discriminate;

OK.

Legalize insider trading;

The Jewish plank of the manifesto?

Puts forward the idea that Jewish state should be in “more defensible location,” like the state of New Jersey;

That’s great.  Let’s move Israel to New Wopsey. Fuggedaboutit!

End laws that ban felons from owning firearms.

Self-interest?

Larson’s manifesto also reveres Adolf Hitler as a “white supremacist hero,” as well as Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism.

Did I need to tell you this is a Type I?

On a related issue.

A realistic assessment of our situation is that we simply do not have a ready collective of prepared people who are ready for prime time. We don’t have a network of disciplined organizations full of large numbers of people who are ready and able to effectively present our message to the American public, or take effective, focused action.
Are we working on it? Absolutely.

Absolutely!  After all, Revilo Oliver talked about 50 years of “movement” failure – 50 years ago.  Maybe in another 100 years all the quota queens will have figured it all out, and they can proceed to save both of the White people still existing at that time.

Are we making great strides? Most definitely. Do we have promising candidates? For sure. American Renaissance is an utterly invaluable resource.

Invaluable if you are Jewish or East Asian.

But it is also definitely true that we just aren’t there yet. We’re building it. And do you know what it looks like to build effective organization? It means sorting the wheat from the chaff so we can create something that is all wheat and no chaff—and that means criticizing the chaff so that it can get out of the way and make room for the wheat.

Yes, that’s why I criticize Der Movement in general and Counter-Currents in particular. All the chaff have glass jaws though, good at “punching right” but not at taking a punch.

Notwithstanding the fact that what we stand for are principles that vast numbers of people do (and should) consider common sense, we are a fringe political movement. And fringe political movements attract weirdos no matter what their political position.

A point I’ve made online for, literally, years.

Online movements attract people who have extra time on their hands and choose to spend it reading on the Internet. To make it into our niche in particular, we had to be curious and intelligent enough to read and comprehend essays on things like human biodiversity…

Let’s read and comprehend pseudoscience, that’s the ticket.  We’ll look at the Pyramids of Atlantis next.

…—but not so curious and intelligent that we’d already made a career in academia, where acknowledging these findings would risk ruining everything we’d built. 

Kevin MacDonald.  Frank Salter.  Those are academics. How much support does Salter get from Der Movement?

The situation we are in is intrinsically, inherently paradoxical. To succeed by “democratic” means, we need to reach ordinary people; but we are, by definition, weirdos.

Yes, and let us make ourselves more weird by rambling about “the spectral,” “Kali Yuga,” “the men who can’t tell time,” and other such nonsense.

Furthermore, “public leadership” is a position which is doubly attractive to the worst of peoples’ personality traits. People with families and children whose well-being they care about are inherently less likely to do it, but the more narcissistic a person is, the more likely they will.

Again, I’ve written about this over and over again.  The social pricing problem needs to be solved.  The incompetent affirmative action “movement leadership” are not the ones to do it though.

For a movement whose ideals are built on hierarchy and the elevation of “greatness” as a moral value of central importance, this reluctance to make high demands of those we call “leaders” is especially ironic.

Yes, indeed. And what website are you writing this for?

And for a movement so focused on mocking the modern world’s obsession with “inclusivity” and how this causes everything from the military to firefighting departments and educational faculties to constantly lower their standards regarding actual performance and success, we sure do seem to be demanding a heavy share of standard-lowering “inclusivity” of our own.

Yes, indeed. And what website are you writing this for?

If anything, what we really need is to be a whole hell of a lot more exclusive.

Exclude Counter-Currents.

SLC News, 5/29/18

It’s…Der Movement!

Strom just doesn’t get it.  Doesn’t he know that Jews are HuWhyte (and high IQ too!) and the real threat is from greasy Afrowops and those Romanians dancing the hora (long may it turn).  After all, that’s what the HBD race realist HBDers tell us, so it must be right.  Right?

With respect to Robinson, I suppose a riposte to Strom is this, and a riposte to that is this comment.

If the comment is correct, does that make Greg Johnson a “low information moralizer?”  Now, true enough, Johnson replies in the post thread to other similar comments.  There is a legitimate case to be made that Robinson was acting stupidly, and is not a martyr to free speech.  But something about all of this strikes me the wrong way – perhaps it is Johnson’s alacrity for “punching right” combined with his “glass jaw” whenever someone throws a rhetorical punch of criticism in his own direction. I also suppose that too much “movement” concern for Robinson would take away from concern for, and donations to, Counter-Currents, and we certainly can’t have that.

And why the disparaging attitude toward the idea of a White “chimp-out?”  Forget about Robinson, there should have been an England-wide “chimp-out” by the native stock over the whole sex grooming scandal.  Indeed, if Whites started “chimping-out” instead of “cucking-out” much of what is happening to them would not occur.

Loyalty to our team is admirable. But our first loyalty should be to our cause. And if people bring our cause into disrepute, we need to call them on it.

But if you “call” Johnson on something, he’ll “ban” you from his blog.  Sorry, but my loyalty is to the cause, and the cause is not advanced by having an anti-racist infiltrator welcomed with open arms into “extreme vetted” meetings for reasons that essentially support all my criticisms of Der Movement, and then have the selfsame infiltrator mockingly (in retrospect for you, in real time for him) give a talk at the meeting about the dangers of infiltrators.  And that followed by equally ludicrous further infiltratiors.

White advocates have the whole system against us. Our only allies are truth and justice. Our greatest source of credibility is speaking the truth and defending justice.

“Spectral” ideas of how the “pyramids of Atlantis” were built by “psychokinesis” is not truth. “Movement” antics are not justice.

The Alt Wrong crows that atheists are cringing subhumans with a high mutation load.  Unfit they are!  Maladaptive!  Indeed, atheists are obviously not the adaptive, racially aware, and clear-sighted-on-race EGI dynamos as is the well-known religious individual, shown kneeling, dressed in white.

Der Movement, Der Movement, Der Movement marches on.

A Dire Spectral Vision

Latest “movement” tragicomedy.

New from Counter-Currents!

Take that, Arktos and Richard Spencer!  Meanwhile, Counter-Currents continues to pretend that Bolton’s Yockey biography doesn’t exist.

Absolutely disgusting.

John Doe
Posted May 25, 2018 at 4:26 am | Permalink
Great to see that Jorjani is working with Counter-Currents and getting away from the unfortunate elements of the “movement”.

Let’s not forget this from that Swedish Counter-Currents forum speaker, Patrik Hermansson:

I manage to convince Jason Reza Jorjani, co-founder of AltRight Corporation and editor of Arktos Media, to meet for a drink. I’m sitting across from him in an Irish pub in the shadow of the Empire State Building. The first thing he said was: “You’re not in touch with Greg [Johnson], are you?”

I assure him I’m not, knowing he would leave if he ever found out I had spent the last month getting to know people on the other side of the split, some of whom had recently accused Jorjani of being a CIA agent. “It’s like the SA and the SS,” Jorjani said. “A Night of the Long Knives is coming though.”

Now Jorjani and Johnson are buddies again, because…Richard Spencer.

 

Der Movement, Der Movement, Der Movement marches on.

Further, it is highly disturbing that the likes of Greg Johnson and Richard Spencer fail to understand the damage done to serious racial nationalism by their enabling of someone who peddles pseudoscientific nonsense and gnostic “traditionalist” fantasies.  Do they really think intelligent, well-read, educated, empiricists want to be associated with “the pyramids of Atlantis were built by psychokinesis?”  The Spectral!  The Spectral! (Theme music from Ghostbusters playing in the background).

The domination of the “movement” by Type I activists was, is, and remains an unmitigated tragedy.  They have no sense whatsoever, no common sense, no innate “feel” for what any reasonably same person would consider appropriate or inappropriate.  “Normies” will think racial nationalism – or ethnic nationalism for you knuckle-dragging ethnonationalists – is strange enough, if you are going to combine it with crazed ramblings fit for a D-grade sci/fi-fantasy novel, then forget about it. The System continuously tries to associate racial activism with pseudoscience and fantasy.  How much easier for them when Der Movement actually does exhibit those tendencies and taints the honest efforts of others.

Power, Approach, and Inhibition

It applies to Der Movement.

Let’s give credit to the gamesters for bringing this to our attention.  PDF here.

We can ignore the absurd sociopolitical implications and statements in this paper made by the (obviously leftist) authors; e.g., that European-Americans are socially more powerful than are Coloreds and men are socially more powerful than women, while the reality of today’s Multicultural America is that the White man is a low caste subaltern demographic, discriminated against by both law and politically correct custom, and that the socially dominant groups are Jews, Coloreds, and shrieking feminist harridan women.

In all cases, emphasis added.

The fundamental concept in social science is Power, in the same sense that Energy is the fundamental concept in physics . . . The laws of social dynamics are laws which can only be stated in terms of power. (Russell, B. 1938. Power: A new social analysis. London: Allen and Unwin, page 10.)

We define power as an individual’s relative capacity to modify others’ states by providing or withholding resources or administering punishments.

That’s as good definition as any.  One can think of ways this applies to Der Movement.  One example – withholding access to blog forums and “banning” critics from participation.

Elevated power, we propose, involves reward-rich environments and freedom and, as a consequence, triggers approach-related positive affect, attention to rewards, automatic cognition, and disinhibited behavior. In contrast, reduced power is associated with increased threat, punishment, and social constraint and thereby activates inhibition-related negative affect, vigilant, systematic cognition, and situationally constrained behavior.

This is key.  Why do people always want positions of authority? To think it is only about material rewards betrays a strictly economic-materialist worldview.  Status?  Yes, but status leads to power itself, and what good is status anyway?  The satisfaction of exercising authority and getting your ideas actualized?  Self-actualization itself?  Why are any of those things desirable?  Answer – it leads to: less stress, lower cortisol levels, more testosterone, more uninhibited behavior, a more positive affect in every way; people in power feel better, they are objectively better even at the level of their hormones.  Those not in power are depressed, anxious, inhibited, wary and worried, have a negative affect, more stress, and a negative hormonal profile.  Think of the contrast: a person who makes decisions about others, or another person who has decisions made about him by a powerful manager.  The first person controls his fate, the second person has his fate controlled by someone else.  Who do you think actually has more stress?  Feels better or worse?

When those in power complain about how “stressed” they are, and the “burdens” of “power and responsibility,” that is just a bunch of “squid ink” to fool their subordinates.  In reality, it are those subordinates who are the stressed and burdened.  If those in power were really “suffering” so much, why don’t they just resign their positions of authority and let someone else do it, eh?

Authority is power that derives from institutionalized roles or arrangements…Dominance is behavior that has the acquisition of power as its end, yet power can be attained without performing acts of dominance (e.g., leaders who attain their positions through their cooperative and fair-minded style). Thus status, authority, and dominance are all potential determinants of power as we define it.

Including “status” as a “movement leader.”

Powerful managers, as a consequence, valued subordinates’ performances less, attributed subordinates’ efforts to their own control rather than subordinates’ motivations, and desired greater distance from their subordinates.

Look at the tinpot “leaders” of Der Movement, who exemplify these traits very precisely.

Certain physical characteristics…are also associated with elevated power.

Such as Der Movement’s ethnic affirmative action program.

…we predict that elevated power will be associated with increased positive mood (Hypothesis 1) High-power individuals more frequently experience and express positive mood and emotion. Low-power individuals more frequently experience and express negative mood and emotion. This pattern of results was observed across various measures of affect, measurement contexts, and determinants of power (e.g., peer ratings, ethnicity, and SES).

That was discussed above.  Power improves quality of life.  It is the ultimate stimulant.  Powerlessness is a depressant.

We propose that high-power individuals, who are disposed to approach, will attend to potential rewards rather than to threats and as a consequence will construe others through a lens of self-interest…We further expect low-power individuals to selectively attend to punishments and threats (Hypothesis 7). The literature on anxiety lends indirect support to this hypothesis.

Potential rewards, like the tin cup panhandling.  Or sex. The increase in positive affect is the primary reward, but why not enrich yourself in other ways at the same time?

elevated power is associated with more automatic, less complex styles of reasoning, whereas reduced power increases controlled information processing, deliberation, and the complexity of thought.

“Less complex styles of reasoning.”  See – Extreme vetting meaning “are you Swedish?”  Charlottesville Ragnarok.  Decades of constant failure and an inability to build an infrastructure.  The inability to realize you need such an infrastructure before “going public.”  Regurgitating fossilized dogma over and over again.  The constant Man on White Horse Syndrome mistakes, repeated endlessly.  Adulterous trailer park soap operas.  Gambling away supporter donations.

Proposition 12: Elevated Power Increases the Likelihood of Socially Inappropriate Behavior

Behold Der Movement!  Drunken Beavis-and-Butthead podcasts.  Acting like jackasses.  Petty feuding.  Adultery with colleagues’ wives. Gambling with supporter donations. The list goes on.

More generally, we would expect factors that reduce the freedom with which the powerful can act to dampen approach-related tendencies. In fact, many social values and practices, from conceptions of virtuous leaders to institutionalized checks and balances, have as their very purpose the placing of constraints on those with power. Drawing on extant literatures, we propose that three processes—stability of power relations, accountability, and social values embodied in cultural and individual differences—act as constraints, thus moderating the effects of power on affect, cognition, and behavior.

Note the importance of accountability (and see the next point, below).  Of course those in power in Der Movement want to protect their petty fiefdoms by reacting hysterically to anyone who wants to hold them accountable.  Those in power have an inherent distaste for accountability, which by its very nature restrains their power and suppresses the positive affect they derive from that power.

The excesses of powerful leaders—their propensity for disinhibited behavior and stereotypic, error-prone social perceptions—are certain to feed into the processes that lead to changes in leadership.

And that is one key to EGI Notes – enabling the processes that hold “movement” “leadership” accountable for their behavior and for their failure, leading to “changes in leadership.”  “Error prone perceptions” – isn’t that interesting, particularly how I have been chronicling how Der Movement’s “leaders” are constantly wrong, while the “crazy and bitter” Ted Sallis is constantly correct.

Leaders can of course justify their power and its rewards by contributing positively to whatever they are leading, by benefiting others as they themselves benefit, by producing value for others, for their people, and for society.  In this manner, the positive affect and other rewards of power can be viewed as justified compensation.  But if the leaders are inept – at times, actually destructive – then they are just free-riding parasites.

High-Information Moralizing

And some very important questions at the end.

Consider some of the comments here.

CounterCurrentsTV

CounterCurrentsTV

2 days ago (edited)

You are one of the dishonorable Orc shills that I mentioned in the podcast. Shame on you.

“Orc.”  Apparently, Johnson wrote that “snug in his hobbit hole” out in the forest, where there is “de facto anarchy,” as opposed to the “centralized authority” of the capital.  Lots of maturity there.  I suppose at some point an analysis needs to be done about this whole Lord of the Rings fetish.  Is it an ethnic/subracial thing?  Or just the Type I/Type II divide?

Will to Power

Will to Power

2 days ago (edited)

@CounterCurrentsTV Good to know that you and many others prioritize putting personal vendettas and petty squabbling ahead of what’s in the best interests of the movement. Let’s be honest here, because that’s what this is. Granted I’m not privy to private conversations, but from an outsider’s perspective this looks appalling on your end. And before you go ahead accusing me of being a Spencer shill as well, I’m not. There is a nuanced position to take in this whole affair, and Millennial Woes embodies that perfectly. I don’t have any particular favoritism in this scenario and I really like the both of you two. That’s the case for many people, I’m sure, which is what makes this whole situation so regrettable. Spencer isn’t going anywhere, you’re not going anywhere, Alt-Hype isn’t going anywhere, so the sooner you all come to terms with that reality and restore relations, at least to the point where you don’t dread crossing paths at conferences, the better the movement will be for it. In other words, please pluck your fucking stubborn heads from your behinds, because this is all becoming extremely distasteful.

 

CounterCurrentsTV

CounterCurrentsTV

2 days ago

You don’t recall, huh? Perhaps you should inform yourself before you engage in this kind of low-information moralizing.

There we go again with his favorite phrase “low-information moralizing.”  In my case, I have recently attempted to increase the information content of my moralizing by reading material on, and listening to podcasts on, all the moronic “movement” feuds, scandals, and personal problems, including, but not limited to, such wonderfully moralizing things as “ghoulish” bodypart photos, “fashy” facebook groups, whether or not “movement” celebrities are or are not Jewish, etc., and I have to say that after diving into the “movement” sewer that I prefer to be “low information” thank you very much. Some types of information can’t be unseen or unlearned.  By the way, Der Movement Inc. is so utterly and despicably disgusting that anyone involved in it has no right to cast aspersion on its critics. Clean up your own house first.

Disappointed Englishman

Disappointed Englishman

1 day ago

Richard has admitted that the campus speech tour approach was a mistake — but don’t forget these speeches were at one point quite successful, so it is only since Charlottesville that they became too difficult to do. He is not vainglorious, and he is the public face of the Altright. I accept Greg in the movement, as long as he knuckles down under Richard Spencer and Greg Conte.

Disappointed Englishman

Disappointed Englishman

1 day ago

I wonder if I am the one in this thread labelled an Orc Shill by GJ (Hail, Johnson! Hail Victory!) Look I’ve acknowledged that GJ is a good white identitarian doing a lot of good stuff – I just called for him to drop the vendetta against RS. Indeed this is part of the reason why gay leaders are inadvisable — they bring personal cattiness and bitchiness with them. GJ is demonstrating, personally, the very reason why he should not be “the leader”. As a follower, GJ, welcome aboard.

Disappointed Englishman

Disappointed Englishman

1 day ago

CounterCurrentsTV edited his comment. His comment, in my inbox, read initially: “You are one of the dishonorable Orc shills that I mentioned in the podcast. Shame on you: lying and shilling for that sociopath. Spencer is cancer. “Mistakes have been made” is a nice passive way of saying that Spencer has made catastrophic errors of judgment. These errors are not flukes. They spring from a deeply flawed — narcissistic, dishonest — character. The movement would be better off if Spencer simply retired. ”

Honestly? Richard Spencer is cancer? Richard Spencer is a sociopath? This is just a handbags-at-dawn camp attack.

 

Corporation Camp

Corporation Camp

1 day ago

I have been following this petty beef between Greg and Spencer for years. It has always come from Greg’s side tbh.

Disappointed Englishman

Disappointed Englishman

1 day ago

Yes. Richard Spencer always avoids this stuff in his podcasts.

CounterCurrentsTV

CounterCurrentsTV

1 day ago

The bottom line is: I think the movement would be stronger if Spencer simply retired. He has a track record of terrible decisions, with disastrous consequences. These are not random and accidental. They flow from his bad character. He’s vain, sociopathic, impulsive, dishonest, and self-indulgent. Furthermore, he’s not even an advocate of White Nationalism. He denigrates ethnonationalism and praises the EU and the USSR. He’s simply an incoherent shill for Russian geopolitical interests. Why does Spencer support Putin’s war against “Nazis” (genuine White Nationalists) in Ukraine, but then ruin NPI with Nazi rhetoric and Hitler salutes? If there is a coherent agenda there, it is anti-white. He’s also a terrible spokesman: rambling, inarticulate, and half-baked. Beyond that, Spencer’s one enduring achievement is that he has somehow corrupted otherwise perfectly decent people into being grotesque liars and shills, like “Disappointed Englishman.”

Let’s take a closer look at this last comment.

The bottom line is: I think the movement would be stronger if Spencer simply retired.

I agree.  However I go further and say the “movement” would be even stronger if Johnson, Taylor, Brimelow, Dickson, Duke, TRSMajority Rights, Roissy, et al. all retired as well.

He has a track record of terrible decisions, with disastrous consequences.

Like letting “extremely vetted” meetings get infiltrated multiples times by ludicrously transparent infiltrators?  Like banning people who were not only long-time commentators but also writers for your website?  By getting wholesale on the Trump train, to the extent of stating that he would enact real pro-White demographic change, but never admitting your error?

These are not random and accidental. They flow from his bad character. 

Indeed.

He’s vain, sociopathic, impulsive, dishonest, and self-indulgent.

Indeed, again.

Furthermore, he’s not even an advocate of White Nationalism.

Neither is Johnson, who is an ethnonationalist advocating the possibility of Europeans ethnically cleansing each other.

He denigrates ethnonationalism….

Which supports, and not refutes, Spencer being a White nationalist.  WN is, by definition, nationalism primarily based on race and NOT on ethnicity.

…and praises the EU and the USSR. 

I agree with Johnson’s criticisms here.

He’s simply an incoherent shill for Russian geopolitical interests. 

Perhaps.

Why does Spencer support Putin’s war against “Nazis” (genuine White Nationalists) in Ukraine, but then ruin NPI with Nazi rhetoric and Hitler salutes?

I supported the Ukraininan nationalists, but let’s be honest, they were used to advance a globalist agenda.  Perhaps Spencer was right about that.

If there is a coherent agenda there, it is anti-white. 

Oh, you can say that about the entirety of Der Movement, Inc.

He’s also a terrible spokesman: rambling, inarticulate, and half-baked. 

As opposed to?

Beyond that, Spencer’s one enduring achievement is that he has somehow corrupted otherwise perfectly decent people into being grotesque liars and shills, like “Disappointed Englishman.”

And they’re “crazy and bitter” too!

Disappointed Englishman

Disappointed Englishman

1 day ago

Greg, you claim Richard has bad character, but this video and your comments here provide evidence of your bad character. Honestly. Comments that Richard is cancer, etc. Please up your game! Do you accept that it is not right for a gay man to lead the identitarian right?

CounterCurrentsTV

CounterCurrentsTV

1 day ago

Nobody takes you seriously, orc.

The Ring!  The Ring!  De facto anarchy in the provinces!

Here are the questions alluded to above.  The primary question, and one that should have been asked of Johnson, but was not, is this:

If Richard Spencer is an incoherent, vain, sociopathic, impulsive, dishonest, and self-indulgent cancer, then how has he so quickly risen to a position of high prominence in the “movement?” 

We have to admit that he has surpassed Duke and Taylor as the most well-known Far-Right activist on the American scene, and that he has significant influence and a wide array of allies and adherents.  Doesn’t this mean that Der Movement is full of vain, impulsive, dishonest, self-indulgent sociopaths who would, naturally, accept someone embodying those traits as their leader?  You can’t have it both ways – that Spencer is such a horrible human being but at the same time the “movement” that so readily accepts him is fundamentally healthy.  Either Spencer is not that bad or Sallis is 100% correct about Der Movement, which means that your own character is suspect for your over-the-top critiques of “crazy and bitter” Ted.

Let’s ask more questions.  

If you believe that Spencer is as bad as you say, then doesn’t that mean that the “movement” in which he is a prominent leader must be broken beyond repair?  Doesn’t it mean that Sallis is correct in his characterization of Der Movement as an inept and dishonest chronic failure?  Doesn’t it mean that most American Alt Righters are feckless peabrains, easily manipulated and unable to distinguish true leadership from false?

Isn’t it true that there is an affirmative action program in the “movement” that benefits the likes of Spencer (and you as well), based on ethnic origins?

Further, what does it say about your judgment, and that of Taylor, Brimelow, Derbyshire, and the rest of “the boys” that you all were fooled by Spencer for years and you all wanted a “big tent” Alt Right including Spencer? Why should any of us trust your judgment now?