Category: traditionalism

Burr, Wild Bunch, Vance

Odds and ends.

Recommended reading.

I’m no fan of Burr’s proto-SJW views – including and particularly his ridiculously positive views about women – but he nevertheless was the most Faustian of the Founding Fathers.If you read the book, you’ll also see he had “big balls,” as the phrase goes.  His downfall was due to two facts – one, that all his energies went to his own personal self-aggrandizement with no underlying greater objective; and, two, he wasn’t very detail-oriented. or realistic about the motivations and limitations of others.

Nevertheless, the type of dynamism of this Faustian and ambitious individual is something we could use in the “movement” today if – and only if – it is put into the service of higher goals (racial interests) and not purely selfish objectives, and if Burr’s other flaws also did not manifest in whatever modern heir he would have among racial activists.

If the White race is doomed, then at least let us go out like this.

“They struggle to defy their destinies” – the essence of Jack Vance summarized in 54 seconds here.

Of course, Mazirian the Magician is only one tale of several that make up The Dying Earth, the latter being the more modern title for the collection of short stories (Spoiler alert below*).  But the Type Is prefer hobbit holes, orcs, and “the battle for Middle Earth.” There really should be a study done on preferences regarding sci-fi/fantasy – is it personal psychology, ideology (e.g., Traditionalism vs. Futurism), or ethnoracial (e.g., Nords vs. Meds)?

*Spoiler alert!   The highwayman doesn’t end well, the hopeless quest does end reasonably well, the “lovers” (who are at the time not “lovers” at all but presumably become so after the story ends) end up victorious, and the woman is cured of her curse.

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Odds and Ends, 6/5/19

Several items.

Meet Julius Evola.

Giulio Cesare Evola was born in Rome. The parents of Giulio Cesare Evola were Vincenzo Evola, born 4 May 1854, and Concetta Mangiapane, born 15 August 1865. They were both born in Cinisi, a small town and municipality in the Province of Palermo in the north-western coast of Sicily.

As well as “the Philosopher of Fascism.”

Giovanni Gentile was born in Castelvetrano, Sicily.

Anyone remember Negro Thomas Sowell’s pontification that Southern Italians had nothing to do with Fascism?  Just like the HBDers, non-Whites always like to lie in order to divide Europeans against each other.  Non-White HBDers are the worst.

And is Der Movement going to officially revoke Julius Evola’s “Traditionalist Hero” membership card?  How can the Type I Traditionalists continue to value the work of that Negro?

Radical leftist Antifa Don Trump and his neo-Marxist DOJ defeated.

A degenerate Negro.

Traditionalism meets astronomy!  

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What is the esoteric meaning of Aldebaran?
Jackson
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It’s the origin of the Aryan people at least the ones remaining on earth, who fled civil decay and started the civilization of mankind that fell around 8-12,000 years ago. Their descendants are still here today. However they are not originally from here. The lore goes back some of the oldest historians as well as occult histories. Namely works such as “The Race to Come” is inspired by such works. Maria Orsic etc. Etc. Theres to much to cover.

What about Antares or Betelgeuse?  Rigel?  Is Ultima Thule in the Canopus system?  The Aryans of Archernar!

This is where Der Movement’s Quota Queen “leadership” will bring us.

Joan of Arc!  Greg Johnson weeps.

Support Glen Allen and Other Issues

In der news.

MacDonald and I are in perfect accord here.

Let’s see.  You can donate to support Allen’s suit, a fight against pure evil:

Beirich, Potok, et al. don’t even pretend to engage in honest debate and the free flow of ideas. Atty. Allen quotes Potok: “We see this [as a] political struggle, right? … I mean, we’re not trying to change anybody’s mind. We’re trying to wreck the groups, and we are very clear in our head, … we are trying to destroy them.” And in this case, the attempt to destroy Allen goes far beyond ethical and legal norms — not surprising given the SPLC’s sordid history of using smear tactics and hypocrisy (Section 31) as well as their dedication to fund-raising far beyond what they actually use to further their causes (Section 27).

Or you can support this.

Your choice.

The current crop of Counter-Currents writers are so bad, so superficial, so mediocre, that they make John Morgan sound like the voice of reason and maturity in comparison. 

Note also how the site is converging onto an Amren-VDARE HBD conservatism position.  Derb snug in his hobbit hole – with Madame “Rosie” throwing him some crumbs if he behaves.  “White advocates” and their “sweet business deals.”  The Brimelows and their tin cup poster children. What a shame.

More on this.

KMacD admits the Trump cheerleading – but where is the accountability?  Spencer is correct that the Republican Party is the major enemy and must be destroyed in order to break the logjam of cul-de-sac stagnation politics.  He is dishonest, or ignorant, when he says we were ALL on the Trump bandwagon, as readers of this blog know full well.  But, his overall instinct here is better than GOP-lover Quinn (see above) at the HBD-Conservative mainstreaming Counter-Currents site. The Sallis Strategy – destroy the cuckservative GOP. I laugh at the delusion of these Alt Righters that they are somehow responsible for Trump’s victory.  It’s exactly the opposite – the Trump campaign energized the idiotic Pepe-Kek brigade.

On the one hand, I agree with some of what Spencer said about optics.  But, on the other hand, his arrogance about his critics is just too much.  Yes, Rich, you are taller and a more successful womanizer than Anglin, better-looking than Weev, and more heroic than Vaughn.  Now, please concentrate on wisdom, maturity, judgment, and persistence, to complete the picture. Also a better understanding of the link between prominence and responsibility/accountability would help as well.

Another thing – according to Greg Johnson, Spencer is a terrible human being, unethical, destructive to the “movement,” etc., and he has no patience for supporters and enablers of Spencer.  So, what does he have to say about Edwards and MacDonald positively engaging Spencer in this podcast?

This is not “Sallis being a troublemaker.”  This is an important question of character and moral ethics.  Consider a group of prominent dissidents.  Person A publicly and repeatedly reviles Person B, attacking B’s morals, character, behavior, and contributions to the cause; Person A also accuses Person B of being involved in personal smears against A.  Thus, A is 100% against B.  Very well.  But then Persons C, D, etc. come in, freely associate with B, give B a platform, and take B seriously as a leader, fully enabling B and what B stands for. Now, what is going to be Person A’s position vis-à-vis Persons C and D, etc.?  Consider further Person A establishing a record of being intolerant of criticism, even from third parties who have no connection whatsoever to Person B.  Is A going to look the other way regarding the B-C-D association?  Is it all “politics” with no ethical considerations involved?  I realize that I may be an overly idealistic, and non-pragmatically apolitical moralpath, but how can anyone take A and his attitude toward B seriously if A ignores all of the above?

I see this as an important issue.  

Sallis right gain: I’ve been saying for years that Trump needs to stop the jackass tweets and do televised addresses.  The good news is that he did it and, surprisingly, didn’t make a total fool of himself.  The bad news is that he, expectedly, did a mediocre job of it.

A very true statement:

China, for example, doesn’t develop weapons; it copies designs stolen from others.

Copy, copy, copy, steal, steal, and steal.  Steal and copy, copy and steal.

But the Chinese can do a lot with that stolen and copied technology, particularly as the West collapses under the weight of “diversity” and moral qualms about using the technology. Further, the West is hobbled by the attitudes of Luddite freaks like Tolkien and all those who fetishize “traditionalism.”

The Zman:

Eric Hoffer made the observation that people involved in causes never reach a point where they say the cause has achieved its goals and therefore can disband and cease its activities. For example, anti-smoking zealots have accomplished all that can be accomplished, yet they persist.

Yes, because as we know, no one smokes any more.  As we know, no one is ever again going to die of smoking-affected disease.  As we know, you can never again have that wonderful experience of walking down the street after someone smoking and be asphyxiated by their noxious fumes.

More of the Marching Movement

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Traditionalism:

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Lajos Kassai, one of the intellectual leaders of the Hungarian Right says this: someone’s true race is shown by the kind of archetypal image that stirs his soul. So true. Show me a sandy beach with palm trees, or an image of a rainforest, and to me, it could be on another planet. Show me Mediterranean or Nordic images, and I say, “Hm, nice”. But when I see an image of the steppe, it feels like coming home. I’m a descendant of White people who did not migrate to the West.

Hey, I like outer space images; hence, I’m a Martian.

And, we can ask – are there any hobbit holes on the steppe?  Well, hamsters and gerbils live on the steppe, with their snug burrows, so I suppose a Hungarian traditionalist can be snug in his steppe hobbit hole as well.

The Zman:

The Greeks are a bit different. I think it is because the West has so much more respect for the Greeks than the Romans. Maybe it is the fact the Greeks never conquered the world, like the Romans.

The history books I have read have left out the Roman conquest of Germania, Scandinavia, Scotland and Ireland, Eastern Europe, the rest of Asia other than the Near East, sub-Saharan Africa, Australia, the Americas, the Pacific Islands, etc.  Perhaps Mr. Zman can recommend a history text to us where those events are properly chronicled.

And the West will respect people who conquered less?  Maybe the West should have done a bit less colonization then?

I think we should have Carlson 2020 rather than anyone else.  But, hey, Tuck, it’s race and civilization, not “happiness.”

I recently watched the 1998 Moby Dick miniseries starring Patrick Stewart.  Very well done – it is recommended. Ahab is the ultimate Moralpath, and the story is a warning that pure moralpathy unleavened with pragmatism can lead to disaster.  On the other hand, pure pragmatism is doomed to failure and utter stagnation – it is worthless. Even further on the other hand, however destructive Ahab’s obsession turned out to be, it is much better than cowardly hiding from life and from the inexorable march to the future by hiding “snug in one’s hobbit hole,” letting other races do what Whites once dared.

I essentially agree with this.  The memes are more important than the source.  And that’s something the thin-skinned, hysterically womanish quota queens can never understand with their cordon sanitaire around EGI Notes.

An expert on female behavior tells us what’s what.  Next – commentary from Pee Wee Herman about weightlifting.

Maybe this is explained by all those “British Asians,” eh, Silkers?  I don’t understand why the HBD VDARE site has any problem with this.  Isn’t the lowly White subaltern race supposed to serve their “high, high-IQ” Oriental masters?  Maybe throw in some “measured groveling,” as well – right Derb?

The answer: Either Trump is the most incompetent, lazy, and low-energy President in US history, or he simply doesn’t care (or actually secretly supports the invasion).

But, hey, let’s not forget the Quota Kings (Coulter) and Queens: In Trump We Trust, the God Emperor, the last chance for White America, an American Caesar who will save White demographics.

Wrong, wrong, they’re always wrong.

Sallis in 2015: Trump is a fraud and a vulgar, ignorant buffoon.

Sallis – right, right, he’s always right.

How does a bearded man in a red pickup truck transform into a red-bearded man?

Can TOQ Live host Richard Spencer and Greg Johnson together?  Seriously.  Let them actually debate, instead of sniping.  Also, if TOQ is interested in “academic” style material, my recent refutation of leftist misinterpretations of Lewontin would fit the bill.  Ball in your court, gentlemen.  

Saturday Stupidity

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Recent technological developments in China have made keen observers marvel at their ingenuity and, also, feel somewhat surprised at their achievements and their plans for the future. In particular, the news that China intended to launch artificial moons to replace expensive and unsustainable street lighting was something that really forced people to take notice. These new moons work simply by reflecting the sun’s light, much like the actual moon does, but in a directed fashion that enables humans to control where and when the light appears. We’re always led to believe that China is the world’s leading culprit when it comes to polluting the atmosphere and contributing to climate change, which they are at present, but with measures such as these, they’re laying the foundations for a more sustainable future. In 30 years’ time, when the West is still bickering within about the Paris Climate Accord, China will have surpassed everybody as the world’s most green nation state. Additionally, China has recently hit the headlines for developing a new sun. Sounds ridiculous? It’s a reality. China has developed a device that can reach temperatures of 100 million degrees Celsius – the actual sun’s core burns at a slightly less impressive 15 million degrees. This project is part of a process undertaken by the Chinese government to better understand nuclear fusion, with a view to using it to replace less sustainable energy sources in the future.

While the Chinese are doing all of that, we’ll be following the advice of Tolkien and Johnson, rejecting technology, and enjoying all the “de facto anarchy in the provinces” while we are “snug in our hobbit hole.”  

Seriously, though, a fundamental plank in the New Movement Platform proposed at Western Destiny is “Futurism, not Traditionalism.”  One reason why the Right always loses is that it is constantly trying to recapture a lost past, rather than trying to conquer the coming future.  

Speaking of the Chinese, we have their vocal pet, man-on-a leash “measured groveling” Derbyshire. He’s an “Anglo-Saxon supremacist” don’t you know.  He could have produced more Anglo-Saxons by choosing a co-ethnic wife, but I suppose the “awkward squad” personality (so designated by his own mother) reduced the choice to “Rosie.”

The document I’m mainly drawing on here was posted at quora.com in August 2018 by Philip Yip, who describes himself as Administrator for the CANZUK Facebook Group. [Why don’t the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK form an Anglosphere union?, Quora.com, August 25, 2018] Yip, I note in passing, is a Cantonese surname, so presumably Philip Yip is of Hong Kong Chinese descent—mildly interesting by itself in this context.

There’s a place for “Rosie” and the kids after all!  That’s what “HBD race realism” is all about, isn’t it?

Does New Zealand, for example, really want an inflow of British Muslim rape gangs or black British drug dealers?

Does America, for example, really want an inflow of British English illegal immigrants and their Chinese wives?

As is this answer to the Type I reply to Spencer:

That isn’t really what’s happening. It’s like an enemy nation producing a new fighter jet that makes ours look stupid and pointless. We stand in awe and recognize we need this in our brand.

Of course, EGI Notes was, as usual, months ahead of the “movement” curve” on this:

…by having clean-cut White men – including young counterparts of Ocasio-Cortez – running for political office on a platform, which while not full-throated White nationalism, is on the borderline of explicitly pro-White and further to the right, and more authentic, than Trump’s phony flim-flam.

We need energetic, charismatic, combative people, of all ages, but particularly the young, to get involved in politics and promote pro-White Far Right populism.  We do NOT need fussy “conservatives,” we do NOT need “HBD race realists,” and we do NOT need pro-Jewish cuckservative Luddite freaks like Tolkien and his hobbit-larping followers – we need “red meat” aggressive Far Right figures getting involved in the rough-and-tumble of politics.  Channeling “Mulatta Milkers” AOC, we can have young White men finding appropriate congressional districts and fighting an insurgent political campaign against dusty decrepit cuckservatives.

An alternate question: Does admitting the pseudoscientific falsehood of HBD endanger the “movement?”  Another question: Or does it just endanger “Rosie” and the GNXPers living in America?

An idiot who makes Evola look like James Watson by comparison.

In one of the footnotes, Schuon defends the phenomenon of black Africans mixing with Mediterranean whites in North Africa…

Why only in North Africa?  How about Southern Europe as well?  Or, by that time, will General Greg Cochran have led the Israeli army to victory there, solving the Swarthoid Problem through Jewish colonization?  Or is Southern Europe already genetically equivalent to Nigeria so that any further Negro influx would be superfluous?  And what if the “white” Berbers of North Africa reject the ever-so-helpful Germanic advice to engage in Negroid miscegenation?  Will they have a choice?  And what is a “Mediterranean white?”  Are there “Subarctic whites” – including both Yukio Mishima and David Bromstad, with the former “looking more white” than the latter?

An essay so bad that I’m even forced to agree with Morgan (in the comments section).

This shows that:

1. Many Europeans know absolute zero about America and Americans

2. Counter-Currents is becoming so putrid that even Morgan looks smart in comparison to the rest of the rotting corpse

3. Europeans who complain about “ignorant know-nothing Yanks” are hypocrites

Greg Johnson has his 2020 Presidential voting plan all set.

Spencer 2020!  A Pepe in every pot!

Friday Follies

“Movement” madness.  In all cases, emphasis added.

John Ronald Reuel Tolkien is a favorite author of New Left “hippies” and New Right nationalists, and for pretty much the same reasons. Tolkien deeply distrusted modernization and industrialization, which replace organic reciprocity between man and nature with technological dominion of man over nature, a relationship that deforms and devalues both poles.

Dat right!  Let dem dere Chinese do dat technology, we’ll just hike through the woods, eating twigs and branches.

But philosophically and politically, Tolkien was much closer to the New Right than the New Left. Tolkien was a conservative and a race realist. 

Wrong, wrong, they’re always wrong.

…In 1961, Tolkien sharply criticized a Swedish commentator who suggested that The Lord of the Rings was an anti-communist parable and identified Sauron with Stalin. Tolkien said, “I utterly repudiate any such reading, which angers meTolkien vocally opposed Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party before the Second World War, and was known to especially despise Nazi racist and anti-semitic ideology. In 1938, the publishing house Rütten & Loening Verlag was preparing to release The Hobbit in Nazi Germany. To Tolkien’s outrage, he was asked beforehand whether he was of Aryan origin. In a letter to his British publisher Stanley Unwin, he condemned Nazi “race-doctrine” as “wholly pernicious and unscientific”. He added that he had many Jewish friends….

Well, given Johnson’s recent Unzian slant, Tolkien fits in well…a pro-Jewish Christian cuckservative.

His preferences ran toward non-constitutional monarchy in the capital and de facto anarchy in the provinces…

The provinces, where our snug hobbit hole is located.

For those who need no introduction, there is no better commemoration than to spend a winter evening snug in one’s own Hobbit hole…

Some reach for the stars, others burrow into their snug little hole.

And let’s all read about Tolkien and his distrust of technics – yes, read all about it…on a computer, over the Internet. Traditionalists do have a comical lack of self-awareness, don’t they?

By this point I really do believe the Tolkien fetish has an ethnoracial biological dimension.  Traditionalism likely does as well in a related sense – Evola being an extreme outlier.  Or maybe it’s just me?  I don’t know.  This is a topic for further study.  Are there significant intra-European ethnic differences in the appeal of Tolkienite Traditionalism?  Are there different preferences for the snug hobbit hole vs. the spaceship?  And what does this tell us about Spengler and his pontifications about the Faustian Will-to-Power?  Tolkienism seems to be me as anti-Faustian as you can get – de facto anarchy in your hobbit hole.  

Delenda Est Traditionalism!

No, no, a thousand times, no!  A Mediterranean diet is going to double your melanin levels and halve your IQ; it is completely unacceptable for real White men!

Try this one instead.  Eat like a Viking!  “Movement” approved.

Can Strom explain how any of this Keystone cops routine is going to lead to “White renewal?”

Will Williams took over as NA’s third chairman in October 2014. He knew the organization was in financial and organizational disarray and hired accountant Randolph Dilloway to help restore the organization. {snip}

According to the lawsuit, Williams went to confront Dilloway for his shoddy work on May 3, 2015. Both men called the police, and Dilloway fled with a laptop and thumb drives with allegedly stolen documents. On May 20, the SPLC published an article called “Chaos at the Compound,” revealing documents Beirich admitted to receiving from Dilloway on May 6, three days after the confrontation.

I have a mixed opinion on all of this.

One the one hand, Spencer is a terrible spokesman for the Imperium idea, which is not at all incompatible with Salter’s Universal Nationalism or local sovereignty.  Pitching the Imperium idea with the aura of a James Bond villain, with lots of warmed-over Social Darwinism, does not impress. Spencer needs to read On Genetic Interests.  Universal Nationalism does not imply a lack of competition between nations and peoples; it does mean that every people should be allowed genetic continuity and at least some minimal means of existence.  And one must remember that in a world full of high-tech weaponry, including weapons of mass destruction, net EGI would suggest the wisdom of a degree of restraint in great power competition.

Universal Nationalism does not reject large-scale federated EU-like structures – see the discussion centered on Fig. 7.1 in Salter’s  book. However, at other times, “smaller is better” seems to be promoted for maximization of genetic interests.  Splitting the difference would lead to a scenario such as that suggested by a number of pan-European theorists (including myself) in which the federated structure is balanced against a degree of local sovereignty.  These are issues for careful discussion, not bombastic statements and posturing.

On the other hand, Vox Day is even worse.  Our interests are not served by following the ideas of a racially-mixed anti-WN Christian conservative and his bible-thumping followers. Is that ad hominem?  Yes, it is, but their attacks on Spencer are nothing but ad hominem as well.  At least I offer some actual criticism of Spencer’s thoughts and suggest he consult with some of Salter’s ideas (and my own) to broaden his worldview.  His Voxian critics descend to name-calling and the typical “CIA asset” accusations.  In the absence of a real argument, the same tactics can be turned against them. One cannot expect a person who identifies as racially mixed to understand, and promote, the best interests of Whites as a race, and Christian fanatics have long made clear that their priority is religion, not race and civilization.  Thus, Spencer is a misguided potential ally, and these others are opponents.

Spencer needs to seriously engage with Salter’s ideas.

Crowley Channels Baron Afrowop

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Evola doesn’t discount the existence of biological race, and affirms that “fundamental [biological] differences” exist between all peoples, but correctly states that premising an ideology or a revolutionary movement upon “scientific” rather than “spiritual” racialism is patently absurd, given that it embraces the most degenerative aspects of modernity: egalitarianism and materialism, the two trends which are the enemy of all traditional civilizations. Evola’s racialism was “spiritual” in orientation, being radically inegalitarian and elitist in nature, following the metaphysical type of thinking articulated in his other writings.

I’m always highly amused when Nordicist Type I fetishists like Crowley swoon over the phenotypically non-gracile greasy Afrowop Julius Evola.  It’s hilarious.  What’s not hilarious is that these types are so outrageously hypocritical.  You see, Evola’s “spiritual racialism” is good because it is “radically inegalitarian and elitist” in nature.  I see.  Well, you know, the “materialist” ideology that everyone in Europe to the south of Vienna (or Munich or Paris) and to the east of Berlin are inferior subhumans is also “radically inegalitarian and elitist” so I don’t understand what the problem is for the Crowley types.  It’s like on Mondays they fervently support highly materialistic and elitist notions of intra-European differences and then on Tuesdays they invoke Evola’s rambling nonsense of an alternative form of “radically inegalitarian and elitist” pseudo-racialism that conflicts with their previously promoted paradigms.  What’s even funnier – and something I’ve written about here before – is that Evola’s “spiritual racialism” was obviously a reaction to Guntherite Nordicism. Gunther promoted the view – still dominant in Der Movement today – that only Nordics have any worth, only they are honorable and superior, and then some guy likes Evola looks in the mirror and thinks, “Hey, I’m all honorable and superior, but I’m not Nordic.” Now, the simplest thing to do would have been just to say that honorable behavior and superior behavior is not a birthright, but something that has to be earned during one’s lifetime AND that all of that has nothing to do with racialism.  But, no, being an esoteric traditionalist, with muddled “thinking,” Evola had to combine the first premise – superiority has to be earned – with the second premise of the validity of racialism.  Thus, we get “spiritual race” that allows Evola to look in the mirror and assert “I’m a spiritual Nordic.”  Nonsense.  And how is biological race necessarily egalitarian?  Just because people belong to the same ethny does not imply that they are in any way equal in ability. And the traditionalist allergy to “materialism” needs to be confronted head-on.  You traditionalists keep on rambling about “Yogi Bear” and “The Men Who Can’t Tell Time” while all dem dere “materialists” will be firing nuclear-tipped ICBM’s in your direction.  Who knows?  Maybe the spirit of Savitri Devi will descend from Hyperborea and intercept the missiles.  Anything’s possible, right?  Let’s not be too “materialistic” about the possibilities now, shall we?

Sallis actually agrees with Roissy on something.

Roissy:

You don’t have to “make” girls into materialistic, exploitative, amoral whores. It’s the natural state of femaleness. All you have to do is remove social constraints on female sexuality and let nature take its course.

Quite right…and although the White Knighters will have fainting fits over this – all the while rambling about “Joan of Arc” – it doesn’t alter the underlying reality one bit.

A legitimate criticism of Roissyite hypocrisy:

2) CH, you seem to have split personality when it comes to easy sex.

On one hand, you advocate it, and provide lots of – useful – advice on how to get it.

On the other hand, you come down heavily on women with multiple partners.

Now, if you stick to heterosexual relationships (which you do), and given that there are about the same number of men as women, the average notch count must be about the same for both sexes (but the distribution curves could be quite different).

Yet another humiliation for The Grand Loser.  The ultimate omega male.

If someone had told me three years ago this would happen today I really wouldn’t have been surprised, although I’m sure Richie and the rest of the Alt Right would have been.  Long time readers of this blog very well know I identified Trump as a fraud and a buffoon as far back as 2015.