Category: Frost

Of Declines and Falls

Not always an alien influx followed by racial admixture.

One of Der Movement’s favorite memes is the idea that national decline and the fall of civilizations always have an external racial basis – i.e., the decline and fall occurs as a result of some sort of alien influx followed by “racial admixture.”

A look at history provides many counter-examples.  Consider the Italian Renaissance, centered on North-Central Italy, particularly Tuscany-Florence. The great intellectual ferment there changes the world and then essentially vanished, all without the influx/admixture model being relevant.  What happened to the great Italian artists like Michelangelo and the all-around figures like Alberti and da Vinci?  Where are the great German composers today?  After Nietzsche and Heidegger, what happened to German philosophy?  What happened to French culture and French martial glory? Where’s the English Dickens and Shakespeare today?  Isn’t it true that the Third World influx into Great Britain occurred after, not before, they lost their empire?  Spain lost their empire, but that empire was formed after they had thrown off centuries of Arabic rule; it wasn’t that the “Arab influx” was responsible for Spain’s fall.  Does anyone really believe Portugal lost their empire because of “an influx of Negro blood?”  Was it really possible for a small nation like Portugal could maintain their lead in exploration and colonization after larger European nations got involved?  Did “racial admixture” lose the Netherlands most of their overseas possessions?  Did the transformation of Scandinavians from Vikings to SJW social democrats involve “racial admixture” or did the alien invasion of that part of Europe occur after the behavioral and cultural changes?

In these cases, to the extent the problem was biological, it was internal – dysgenics including the counter-selective effects of war, Frost’s genetic pacification, and the breeding of the unfit and the botched – as well as cultural/historical (Spengler?).  In many cases, alien influx and admixture, when it has occurred, was the consequence, not the cause, of decline. One can speculate that the Ancient World was similar.  In some cases of course, admixture may have caused decline (Ancient Egypt?  The Middle East?) but that’s as much the exception as it is the rule.

But Der Movement can’t get is head around such ideas, just as their heavy breathing about Paleolithic/Neolithic differences in Europe typically doesn’t understand that such differences were in place long before the beginnings of the Ancient World’s Classical Civilizations.

I would invoke “cognitive dissonance” here, but that implies some sort of cognitive process to begin with.

A note:

It’s a bit humorous that the same Alt Right that has disdain for S. Italians also has an obsessive man-crush on Julius Evola who is described thus:

Giulio Cesare Andrea Evola was born in Rome to a minor aristocratic family of Sicilian origins.

Again, I could say “cognitive dissonance” but that implies some degree of cognitive function, and I’m not sure how much of that Der Movement actually has.

Irish Readers and Other Items

Several items.

Over the past few days, we’ve had here (Note: this refers to the Blogger version of the blog, not the WordPress one here) quite a few page views from the Emerald Isle, and I welcome our Irish readers.  I hope you derive utility from this blog.

Racial nationalism in Ireland seems at an earlier stage of development compared to most other Western European nations, as well as in the USA, and in the long run, that is a good thing, as that allows Irish activists to get things on a correct footing at the beginning, and avoid pitfalls, such as that which has impeded the American “movement” (including in America, ironically enough, hostility toward the Irish and Irish-Americans).

I would suggest taking a close look at the work of Dr. Frank Salter on ethnic genetic interests, and to carefully consider the basic tenets described here.

Koreans, contra the heavy-breathing HBDers, are not quite along the road the self-destruction as has been described by those frosty individuals who value East Asians over Europeans.  Speaking of Asia-fanatics, the top photo accompanying the article is as good a visual description for the real derivation of Silk Road White nationalism as any other.  Got to get the Korean girls, as well as the Chinese ones, as border guards for the West, eh?

Buchanan, possibly getting mentally feeble in his old age, confuses the multiculturalist Putin with an ethnonationalist.  Hey, Patrick, there’s a difference between “Russian speakers” and “Russians.”  It’s the difference between civic nationalist multiculturalism and authentic ethnonationalism.

Dishonest Durocher

Play the piano, Durocher, play it well.

For if the early twentieth century’s racial science, however flawed, was more accurate than the blank-slatist ideas that have become culturally hegemonic in the West since 1945, then there would need to be a radical and far more nuanced reassessment of Hitler. Indeed, it is now documented that many of the founding fathers of the blank-slatist consensus, namely Franz Boas, Theodor Adorno, and Stephen J. Gould, were ethnically-motivated pseudoscientific fraudsters.

“ethnically-motivated pseudoscientific fraudsters.”  Like Jayman?  

You want pseudoscience?  Look at all the HBDers.  How about real racial science instead?

The nations of Europe, including the Germans, form identifiable genetic sub-clusters, being in effect intra-continental sub-races only somewhat blurred on the edges.

How about looking at the original paper instead of a 23andme blog post?  The “blurred edges” are so large that Germans are not “in effect” an “intra-continental sub-race.”  Looking at the broad North/South and East/West distinctions within Europe could indeed identify such significant sub-races, but not at the national level, you idiot.  Can you say that “DE” really is a separate sub-race based on this figure?

Do you have any idea how close the genetic distances are? If you are going to make such fine distinctions, while ignoring “blurred…edges” than you can call Northern vs. Southern Germany as “separate sub-races” – what would Saint Adolf think of that?

Survivors of the Ice Age have left a genetic imprint, particularly in northern Europe. In the words of one scientific publication: “Scandinavians are the earliest Europeans.”

And the next words from that publication that the fundamentally dishonest Durocher doesn’t quote for you are:

However, the genome also indicates that many European traits, including those from the Middle East, were already present in the first Europeans.

Durocher continues: 

…and the enduring interest in the so-called Hajnal Line

If by “enduring interest” you mean by anti-WN HBDers like HBD Chick, triracial Jayman, “actor on the stage of history” Frost, and  “creative genius” Cochran, yes. Otherwise….

And of course, resistance to immigration in Europe today, and the rise of anti-immigration parties, does not strictly follow the “Hajnal line” – said line being interpreted by HBDers in ways that I doubt Hajnal himself would consider scientifically valid.

The geographical extent of the Yamnaya migration is not clear, but the researchers note that the eastern migrants could have completely replaced existing populations, at least in what is now Germany. 

This does not mean, as Durocher slyly implies with that quote, that Germans are fully descended from that population. Only that locally, certain pre-existing populations were replaced. Germans show the genetic signature of not only this population but of the Paleolithic hunter-gatherers and the Neolithic farmers as well. To say Germans are enriched in the Yamnaya ancestry compared to other groups, yes, that is likely correct.
That a leading proponent of “mainstreaming” is now citing the anti-White anti-Salter non-White HBDer “Jayman” as well as the pro-Jewish Frost, and is trying to justify bizarre Nazi pseudoscience through the strawman argument that it is better than “blank slatism” is not surprising.
One shifts from starry-eyed admiration for extreme moderates like Orban to fanboy rock star admiration for the extreme radical Hitler. This on the surface makes no sense, unless there is an intent to disrupt and mislead.

Any sane White ethnostate would put Durocher on trial and execute him.

More On the Amren Debate

More Derb.
Here we see Derbyshire discuss the Amren debate (complete with a picture we all could do without). Note that the debate was framed in spectacularly substandard terms – “solving the race problem” is defined as HBD + freedom of association; in other words, all our problems will be “solved” if we are taught that Jews and East Asians are master races to whom Whites should grovel, and we should have the “freedom” to “associate” with such cognitive masters, avoiding those no-good Negroes (hence, “solving the race problem” is conflated here with “avoiding Negroes”).
I also note that there is some disagreement in HBD circles about the land of the gods, China. The dominant view, espoused by White-hating Asiaphiles such as Derbyshire and Lynn, is that the future belongs to China, given that the Chinese are high-IQ superhumans and they are racialist, nationalist, with a relatively homogeneous population.  On the other hand, the minority HBD opinion is that of Frost, that great actor on the stage of history, who gnashes his teeth in anguished agony about the growing sub-Saharan African population in certain Chinese cities, and about the general trend of East Asian nations to increasingly embrace some of the dangers of multiculturalism and alien immigration.
These HBDers really need to get on the same page on this. Don’t they know that HBD is a fossilized dogmatic memetic construct designed to justify the enslavement of Whites to Jewish and Asian interests?
Then we have a Youtube video of Derbyshire speaking at the 2014 Amren conference. Note that the introduction to his talk, outlining his expertise on the subject of China and the Chinese, leaves out one particularly important fact.  Doesn’t the audience deserve to know about potential conflicts of interest of the speakers?
Here’s a thought experiment. Imagine a conservative White woman, married to a Negro, with mixed race children, and who is a promoter of miscegenation.  Let’s assume this woman has written “racially aware” critical articles on the dangers of, say, Hispanics. Would such a woman be an honored guest at the same conferences that embrace Derbyshire?  Why or why not?

The Yellow Elephant in the Room

Immigration hypocrisy.

White nationalists of a more, shall we say, “anti-Semitic” streak often complain about Jewish attempts to infiltrate and influence the “movement” in a manner conducive to the Tribe.  That complaint is not the subject of today’s post, but, rather, a related issue: infiltration by Asiatics and by those Whites obsessed with promoting Asiatic interests.
Derbyshire, and his “Arctic Alliance” agenda, is well known, as is his reason for promoting such nonsense; one look at his family tells us all we need to know.  Alas, he is not alone.  The whole putrid ideology of “Human Bio Diversity” (HBD) is about promoting the interests of “high-IQ” Jews and Asians over that of Europeans, and we have so-called “race realist/racialist” meetings, organized by, and attended by, Whites, who label themselves as “Yellow Supremacist” (their words, not mine).  And there are more specific and recent examples to choose from.
We’ve had an individual calling itself “Chinese Nationalist Maiden” posting a diatribe over at Duchesne’s blog, calling for a Euro-Chinese nationalist alliance.  This same individual, now labeled as “Chinese Nationalist,” was promoting the same meme over at Counter-Currents(1).
Then we have the HBDer (2) Peter Frost, an anthropologist who originally posted at his Evo and Proud blog, but who is now part of the Jew Unz’ stable of anti-WN philo-Semitic White writers.  Frost has been banging the drum about the oh-so-serious problem of alien immigration into East Asian nations, for example, sub-Saharan African immigration into China, and the influx of Southeast Asians and others into South Korea. Ostensibly, Frost’s fascination with this issue is, as he states, due to the hope that the “push-back” against globalism and mass migration may start in these nations and could therefore benefit all nations, including those of the West, similarly threatened.  All well and good, but, given the well-known preferences and obsessions of the HBDers, one wonders whether the primary concern is with the East Asians themselves rather with those others who may benefit from Asiatic intransigence to fully accepting  the globalist agenda.
Although I may occasionally make snide remarks about sub-Saharan African women being the solution to China’s gender imbalance (remarks prompted by frustrations over the issue to be discussed next), I will say that, despite my negative views about Asiatics, I really do not want to see any civilized nation over-run by Negroes. But there is a problem here – the “Yellow Elephant in the room.”  That problem is Asian immigration into White nations.
For example, East Asian nations like China and South Korea rank high among the sources of immigration to the USA.  There is significant Chinese immigration to Canada and Australia, and there are even some “Chinatown” enclaves in Europe itself.  The Chinese are also infiltrating into the Russian Far East. If we include “Brown” Asians in the mix, then India is a leading source of immigrants to the USA and to other majority White nations.  Neither Ms. Maiden nor Dr. Frost feel it appropriate to discuss, much less denounce, the Asian invasion of White nations.  Indeed, one wonders about Ms. Maiden herself. Is someone who openly criticizes the communist regime of the PRC, which monitors and punishes Internet dissent, really living in and posting from that nation?  She could be from Taiwan, but I’m skeptical.  One sees the problem, I hope.  Not to put too fine a point on it, and not wanting to seem too harsh, but the reality is that I would be a bit more sympathetic to the plight of Asiatic loss of homogeneity if I didn’t have arrogant and pushy Asians in my face all the time. One would be more prone to speak out against, say, African immigration to China if one didn’t have to deal with Chinese immigration to America.  The fact is, charity begins at home, so I am more concerned about the migration of Asians to the West than I am about the migration of Africans into Asia.  As they say, “strong fences make good neighbors” and “familiarity breeds contempt” – therefore, any sort of Eurasian “Arctic Aliiance” is going to need to be minimally predicated on the repatriation of Asians out of the West.  Until that is seriously discussed, any talk about “alliances” is moot.
1. Interesting that the “Maiden” part was dropped at the latter site. Does he/she/it believe that the Counter-Currents crowd is less likely to listen to an ostensibly female voice, in contrast to the commentators at Duchesne’s website?

2. I’m tempted to say “dishonest HBDer,” but isn’t that redundant?  For one example of many, in this case involving this individual, see this and then see this follow-up.

Addictive Pathological Altruism?

The following is a hypothesis, not “movement” solipsist pontificating.

Both the “movement” and HBDers often discuss the pathological outgroup altruism extant among Europeans, and relatively lacking in other groups.  The HBDers would stress clines of this within Europe itself, with meta-Germanic NW Europeans being more prone to this than other groups (topics discussed at, e.g., Evo and Proud as well as The Occidental Observer).  So, one can view  a major dichotomy with respect to pathological altruism being Europeans vs. non-Europeans, with the Europeans being further divided between NW Europeans and other groups, and the non-Europeans being divided as well (e.g., groups like Jews and East Asians likely being particularly ethnocentric and non-altruistic). Thus:

Northwest Europeans > Other Europeans >>> Most non-European peoples > More extreme non-European ethnocentric types.

Of interest are the mental processes occurring as one moves to the left of that spectrum, in the direction of more maladaptive outgroup altruism. I theorize that the “rewards” are not only social approval or avoidance of “guilt” but, importantly, positive feelings experienced as a result of these behaviors – feelings of euphoria, bliss, calm, lowered stress, etc., possibly mediated by endorphins, varying neurotransmitter levels, decreased stress hormones, etc.  I speculate that ethny-abnegating actions cause a biochemical brain reaction that is experienced positively and may be, in a real sense, addictive.  This may be an aberrant signaling due to imprinted mental feedback that would be more adaptive in a homogeneous society.  For example, in the homogeneous context, a muted form of outgroup altruism, allowing for alliances outside the extended family, would allow for the type of disinterested politics essential for building social capital, to enhance social harmony and, perhaps, to boost individual fitness through adapting the individual to “fit in” better in complex Western societies.  However, in racially diverse, heterogeneous societies, particularly societies in which altruists live among highly ethnocentric non-altruists, this addictive behavior is maladaptive, both on a group and individual level, as it has spiraled out of control.  Being addictive and easily manipulated by a certain Levantine Tribe, the outgroup altrusim is no longer muted, but excessive, and is no longer confined to extra-familial co-ethnics, but to peoples of widely divergent genetic origins.  Indeed, given globalism, even homogeneous nation states can be harmed by excess outgroup altruism, as they would invest heavily in those outside their nation at the expense of those within.  The maladaptive nature of excess outgroup altruism in the context of globalism and multiculturalism is a serious problem for Western Man. 

Of course, unlike the HBDers, I do not propose that these behaviors are purely biologically determined, there are important cultural influences as well. But, there is likely predispositions in different populations to becoming physically addicted to excessive outgroup altruism, and the biological underpinnings of this contribute to the hypothesis presented here.

Hence, racial liberalism can be seen as a form of mental illness, an addiction to certain mental stimuli that, in current environments, decreases fitness. I would predict that the same mental modules that find “release” in acts of ethnoracial masochism would also tend to favor a similar “release” in acts of sexual masochism – the same patterns of abnegation and pleasure in self-denial would obtain.
This analysis (see page 141) suggests that sexual masochism is predominantly a Western phenomenon.  The author proposes certain theories for this, and for the fact that such practices started becoming noticed around 1500 AD.  Those theories may or may not have validity; however, the author’s observations also can be interpreted according to the hypothesis presented here.  Thus, the Western localization of masochism is consistent with the ideas presented in this post – that European peoples are more prone to achieve mental “release” through thoughts and actions that are self-abnegating.  Further, the 1500 AD time point may have biological as well as (as the author suggests) cultural significance – if one accepts Frost’s theories about genetic pacification.  If Westerners were becoming increasingly selected for altruistic, pacified types starting around half-a-millennium ago, then it would not be surprising that submissive and (at least symbolically) self-destructive sexual practices would become more prevalent.  This would tie into the idea that Europeans are prone to become “addicted” to the positive mental feelings induced by acts of self-abnegating outgroup altruism.

The author suggests that there are differences in the predisposition to masochism even within Western societies, with the upper classes demonstrating this more than the lower. Again, these differences can have biological as well as cultural explanations: upper class Westerners, as a group, are likely more pacified, outgroup-altruistic, “over-civilized,” etc. compared to the lower classes. Consider the stereotypes of (1) the effete limousine liberal, the SWPL-style progressive upper-class White oozing with concern with coloreds, contemptuous of other Whites, physically non-aggressive; and (2) the lower class blue collar “White bigot” who displays a more healthy attitude of ethnocentrism and a down-to-earth physicality. Which is more likely to be involved is self-abnegating sexual masochism? Which is more likely to be involved in ethny-abnegating sociopolitical masochism? I would suggest that a similar difference in brain chemistry (albeit possibly of lesser magnitude) would obtain between upper/lower class Whites as between Whites and non-Whites: upper class Whites would experience positive mental feelings as a result of ethnoracial-abnegation, while lower class Whites would more likely feel angry, threatened, and otherwise upset and at unease. There must be differences between people beyond ethnicity and class: hence, racial nationalists would be “constructed” to react to ethnoracial-abnegation with anger and disgust, while racial liberals would feel bliss. Whether these differences extend to interpersonal relations and to the sexual sphere remains to be determined.
A question would be how to deal with all of this.  It would be helpful if biocultural/societal mechanisms can be put into place that would release these positive feelings for adaptive within-group altruism, rather than of the outgroup manner. 

I have no solutions at present, but hope that these theories can evolve into more testable hypotheses, producing data that can be utilized to formulate therapeutic approaches for enhancing European ethnocentrism and a more strictly ingroup altruism.

Indeed, in a perfect world, sufficient funding, coupled to a lack of sociopolitical restrictions, would allow for hard science (not Lynnian pseudoscience) research on neurobiology and biochemical psychiatry to determine the neurological pathways underlying the mechanisms outline here (assuming they exist as proposed).  The objective would be to design methods to repress negative outcomes such as excessive outgroup altruism and topromote positive, healthy, and adaptive outcomes, such as increased ingroup altruism, intolerance, ethnocentrism, and racism.

Duchesne and Frost

Decline of European Man.

In the comments section of his blog, Duchense makes the following insightful comment:

Decline of the West is obvious and not only in the face of mass immigration; it is evident in the very physiology of Europeans; current males are not the same as in the past; even if they “understand” that their lands are being occupied by forces that will destroy them, many will still not react, they have lost their basic survival instincts; it is not their ideas of human rights only, but their temperament is very low in aggressive in-group energies.

Is this related to Frost’s concept of genetic pacification?  Not that it happened overnight, but, perhaps, as part of a long process of genetic pacification and de-barbarization of European Man, a threshold level has recently been passed, resulting in pathologically low levels of aggressiveness.  Or, have the two world wars of the last century resulted in a civilization-wide “nervous breakdown,” destroying the West’s will to resist?

As to the latter possibility: to think we still have retards who continue to promote intra-European division, both in the American “movement” as well as in some petty nationalist European nationalist parties. “First as tragedy, then as farce” – Karl M. was on to something there with his insight into repetition in history.