More Against Derbyshire

Some more on Derbyshire (Counter-Currents commentators), emphasis added:

Time Traveler
What John Derbyshire did by breeding with a non-white Chinese woman is no less excusable than a white man breeding with a black woman and then groping about for some reason to justify it. In the end, it comes down to a matter of degree for Derbyshire, but not principle. For if Derbyshire approached it as a matter of principle, then he would denounce whites breeding with non-whites no matter their race and no matter their IQ. For once you produce mixed-race children (as Derbyshire did) you have permanently ended your white lineage. In short, Derbyshire annihilated his English ancestors the moment his Chinese wife popped out that first baby. 
Now John Derbyshire’s trying to spread his moral acceptance of miscegenation at a conference allegedly to prevent the very act that he is guilty of. But the real disappointment here is that Jared Taylor keeps inviting this unabashed race-mixer to speak at his conferences and that so many whites keep paying for the “privilege” of hearing John Derbyshire “justify” the most heinous crime a white can commit. Kevin Alfred Strom potently addressed this very issue in one of his best articles. “Race-Mixing – Worse Than Murder”. Someone should email a copy to Jared Taylor, since he seems to have lost his way in this regard.
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BroncoColorado
We have little reason to fear the mythical “Arctic Alliance”, it won’t happen. The Middle Kingdom has everything to gain by following its millennial pattern of separateness combined with a barely disguised attitude of superiority. The Chinese leadership anticipate that patience and cunning could deliver them world mastery without a nuke fired. We are their number one competitors, they have no reason to align with the White race, even temporarily, and every reason to stealthily oppose and weaken us.
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Against the Arctic Alliance

Amren once again giving Yellow Supremacism a forum.

Well-known novelist and cultural commentator John Derbyshire explained his concept of an “Arctic Alliance” between Asians and whites. He said these groups have in common a high mean IQ and low fertility rates, which could lead to a common strategy against the “demographic” and “dysgenic” threat posed by mass immigration. Mr. Derbyshire raised and then refuted several objections to his plan. These ranged from questions of terminology and feasibility to larger issues about whether Asians will follow whites down the path of self-hatred. He wondered whether ethnomasochism is unique to whites or is “the inevitable result of post-industrial society.” He argued that the purpose of groups like American Renaissance is to resist dispossession and to build a defensive strategy of “Arctic peoples” that can ensure the survival of civilization.

Err, excuse me, you lousy despicable wad of shit Derbyshire, you who had no problem with agreeing with the description of Amren attendees as “latrine flies” before your defenestration from National Review, but Asians are part of the demographic mass immigration threat to the West.  How about stopping the Asian influx, and repatriating the aliens, including your family, and then we can take another look at this alliance, hmmm?   In fact, Asians are part of the Colored Alliance against Whites, and Yellow Supremacists like Amren are part of the HBD political movement to enslave Whites to Asian interests. 

And Derbyshire is such a breathtakingly dishonest fraud it is stunning.

He completely ignores the two biggest objections, actually completely distorting the first objection, which is that as radically different races and civilizations, Whites and Asians are natural enemies, with conflicting interests; they are not, and can never be, allies.  Derbyshire laughs in our face by talking about “similarities” between the two groups, as if the only objection was a “narcissism of small differences,” while East Asians are approximately as genetically distant from Europeans as are sub-Saharan Africans.

Second, as alluded to above, Asians are part of the problem, they are part of the Rising Tide of Color, and they are part of the demographic tidal wave swamping the West.  And Asians in America are anti-White political leftists, proving the point.  In the long term, if Whites survive the current threat (which Asians are mightily contributing to), then Asians, particularly East Asians, will constitute our most formidable competitors, our most serious threat. Do you make an alliance with your greatest long-term enemy, particularly when that enemy is currently actively trying to destroy you?

Even apart from all of that, practically speaking, the “Arctic Alliance” idea is absurd.  An alliance is predicated on the two sides assisting each other against a threat.  How would this occur in this case? If Asians wanted to help Whites then they could simply stop invading our nations – and take back the invaders already here, including “Rosie and the kids.”  Or are we to accept the Silk Road White nationalism solution – colonies and armed garrisons of Asians patrolling the borders of the West, guarding against the Global South immigration threat (that the Asians are actually part of), with Chinese girls with guns running the show? That’s great.  Depending on “allies” for your own defense really worked out well for latter-day Rome, didn’t it?  And why would Asians defend the West?  What’s in it for them – apart from conquest?  And Whites, who cannot even defend their own nations, are not fit allies for anyone.  Indeed, if Whites became fit allies, then they would no longer need the alliance to begin with. The practical application of the alliance undermines its own justification.

No, the whole thing is merely Derbyshire trying to obfuscate the divide of race, civilization, and hatred that separates Occident from Orient, White from Yellow, West from East, Europeans from Asians, so as to make White America safe for his mixed-race family.  Sorry Derb, we are not obligated to sacrifice our own interests because of your life choices.  Just crawl back home and do some more “measure groveling” (and who knows what else) for “Rosie.”


Counter-Currents commentator gets it right:

Ambrose Kane

 “John Derbyshire explained his concept of an “Arctic Alliance” between Asians and whites” – This doesn’t surprise me, especially when one considers that Derbyshire has an Asian wife and half-Asian children. I know he will deny that this has influenced him, but I find it hard to believe that his own act of miscegenation hasn’t motivated him in some sense to hope for an ‘Arctic Alliance’ between Asians and Whites.

I find the notion of an ‘Arctic Alliance’ less than convincing. Although the Asians, generally, have some admirable qualities and traits, they are very much different than Whites. They are conniving and deeply committed to their own. Their ethical framework differs greatly from the western one, especially one that might be influenced by Christian values.

Moreover, such an ‘Arctic Alliance’ will inevitably lead to greater miscegenation between Asians and Whites. How can it not when such an alliance and cooperation is encouraged as something good for us? This is probably last thing we should want or promote since our birthrates are already greatly dwindling.

I don’t know if Derbyshire has an ‘Asian fetish’ as some have maintained. However, it’s become clear to me having listened to him on several occasions that he is far too pro-Asian for my tastes. At a time when our numbers are dwindling and when anti-White propaganda is spreading at fever pitch throughout the world, the last thing Whites should be encouraging is ‘alliances’ with Asians or any other racial group. We ought to be suspicious when such calls come from one who is himself married to an Asian and has produced half-Asian children.

Actually, Derbyshire does not deny the influence of his home situation, he just claims that it does not matter since he is right about the Arctic Alliance.  But he is not right, for the reasons stated above.  If anything, Whites should be forming an alliance among themselves against Asians, not an alliance with Asians.

Ethnoracial nepotism on display.  Where are all the leftists screeching that it is not adaptive? Or is that only for White folks?

Notice the Israeli connection.  Mazel Tov!

What standards of accuracy for the ancestry testing?

The company also emphasized “the distinction that [23andMe’s] ancestry testing is different from our health report testing, which is regulated by the FDA and meets the agency’s standards for accuracy and clinical validity.”

As I’ve been telling you. Emphasis added:

Companies like 23andMe, Ancestry.com, and MyHeritage compare your set of SNPs to known reference groups (SNPs that tend to be found in people of, say, Greek origin). The tests are looking for evidence that you have common ancestors with people in the reference group.

But the reference group each company uses can be different.

Another limitation: These reference groups are largely based on people who are self-reporting their ancestry. These people may be pretty confident that they know where their families come from, but it’s not a perfect measure. 

 

Ancestry DNA companies can often track down European DNA to specific countries [Salis note: Only for those with parental privilege]. But if you’re a minority [Sallis note: Or a non-privileged European], your report might be vaguer. Prior to this past summer, 23andMe could only match people to just three broad regions in sub-Saharan Africa, which is an enormous area with a lot of geographic and ethnic diversity. And that’s just because there aren’t as many African people in these company’s reference data sets. 

“Imagine you’re from a small town in Spain,” Pickrell says. “If [the testing companies] have a bunch of people from that small town, they can match you against them really effectively.” But if they don’t have people from that specific small town, they might just determine you’re broadly Spanish, or European [Sallis note: Or “unassigned”].

Sallis’ Law vs. Godwin’s Law

A comparison.

“As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1”; that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or his deeds, the point at which effectively the discussion or thread often ends.

Following up on this, let us rewrite the above into Sallis’ ‘Law:

“As a “movement” discussion grows longer, the probability of someone commenting about racial admixture in Southern Europeans and/or Eastern Europeans approaches 1″; that is, if a “movement” discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later (typically sooner) someone will question the “Whiteness” of Southern Europeans and/or Eastern Europeans, the point at which effectively the discussion or thread descends into Nordicism, ethnic fetishism, and fossilized “movement” dogma.

No matter what the topic – Jews, the weather, Babe Ruth’s batting average, the thrust of the Saturn V rocket’s first stage, the price of tea in China – any “movement” discussion will eventually converge onto racial admixture in Southern and Eastern Europe.  It is inevitable, inescapable, expected.

Sallis’ Law is stronger than Godwin’s Law, since it will be, on average, actualized much sooner in the discussion.  After all, what is more fundamental to Der Movement, Inc. than animus toward, and lies about, Southern and Eastern Europeans?

Common Sense Fetishist and Other News

More “movement” stupidity (redundancy).  In all cases, emphasis added.

“Common Sense Counselor” – another deranged fetishist. Good sense from “Cascadia Patriot” answered by the usual fossilized dogma by Der Flabby Irishman:

Cascadia Patriot
Ashkenazi Jews are not a “European tribe”. They are a mixed-Race people with varying degrees of White-European admixture. For a large percentage, and for many, the admixture is likely to be mostly from the last 300 to 400 years or so. Prior to that they were a much more insulated and separated community throughout Europe (minor exceptions are usually the case though). They still have varying degrees of descent from ancient Near Eastern and Middle Eastern peoples who came into Europe over the last 2000 years or so.
Common Sense Counselor
I do not want to quibble, but can the same be said for Italians and Slavs?

No, you stupid bastard.  And Slavs, for christssakes?  That’s what you get when an ex-libertarian flabby retard imbibes “movement” dogma.

See this, ignorant moron. The Ashkenazim are a mix of Middle Eastern, Southern European (mostly Italian), and Eastern European (Slavic).  So, if “Italians and Slavs” are mixed race mongrels according to your Irish racial purity (so admired by Der Movement, no doubt, Anglocentric American racialism historically being known for being pro-Irish), then I suppose that makes the Ashkenazim doubly-mixed mongrels, eh?

The fetishist is answered by the original poster:

Cascadia Patriot

@Common Sense Counselor No. Neither have widespread and significant admixture from the Near East and Middle East. Both are indigenous to Europe, unlike the origins of Ashkenazi Jews, and have a very similar 7,000 to 10,000 year history in their genetics, again, which the Ashkenazi only have due to relatively recent admixture (last 400 years or so) from Europeans. It’s been shown in studies that a fairly low percentage have a fairly low amount of admixture from non-European non-Whites (some Italians and some Slavs). Also, if you look up 3 dimensional PCA diagrams on Racial genetics they all cluster close in the White-European family.  

Southern and Eastern Europeans are on the peripheries so obviously there will be more outliers and ancient “frontier” and borderline mixtures. But the same can be said for others and all of this is the argument the anti-Whites use to say that the White-European sub-Race doesn’t exist. Which is nonsense and we just have to do our best to maintain what we’ve had for many thousands of years now.

See this.

The only thing that is permanent is the mark that one makes on the world with one’s deeds. Everyone wants to live well, of course, but it is better to live effectively: to live so that one is remembered for what one has accomplished.

And to put a little finer edge on the concept, it is not just fame in itself which is important. What counts also is the type of fame, the type of renown. The goal was to be remembered not just for being able to throw a spear farther than others or to swing a battle-ax harder or to use a sword more skillfully; it was to be remembered for having lived a meaningful life, a significant life. For some that meant a life of accomplishment, of changing the world; for others it meant a life lived as closely as possible in accord with the ideals of personal honor and of service to one’s people, so that one’s life could be held up as a model and remembered as such.

Superiority is not a birthright; superiority must be earned.

Burger King is an international terrorist organization.  That is not sarcasm. It is a logical extrapolation of their call to use their products for political violence. Why doesn’t anyone on the British Right sue them for godssakes?

Close down Burger King. Arrest their CEO and Board of Directors for promoting international terrorism.

More on Ethnogenesis in Southern Europe

Genes in der news.

A preprint, emphasis added:

A series of studies have documented how Steppe pastoralist-related ancestry reached central Europe by at least 2500 BCE, while Iranian farmer-related ancestry was present in Aegean Europe by at least 1900 BCE. However, the spread of these ancestries into the western Mediterranean where they have contributed to many populations living today remains poorly understood. We generated genome-wide ancient DNA from the Balearic Islands, Sicily, and Sardinia, increasing the number of individuals with reported data from these islands from 3 to 52. We obtained data from the oldest skeleton excavated from the Balearic islands (dating to ~2400 BCE), and show that this individual had substantial Steppe pastoralist-derived ancestry; however, later Balearic individuals had less Steppe heritage reflecting geographic heterogeneity or immigration from groups with more European first farmer-related ancestry. In Sicily, Steppe pastoralist ancestry arrived by ~2200 BCE and likely came at least in part from Spain as it was associated with Iberian-specific Y chromosomes. In Sicily, Iranian-related ancestry also arrived by the Middle Bronze Age, thus revealing that this ancestry type, which was ubiquitous in the Aegean by this time, also spread further west prior to the classical period of Greek expansion. In Sardinia, we find no evidence of either eastern ancestry type in the Nuragic Bronze Age, but show that Iranian-related ancestry arrived by at least ~300 BCE and Steppe ancestry arrived by ~300 CE, joined at that time or later by North African ancestry. These results falsify the view that the people of Sardinia are isolated descendants of Europe’s first farmers. Instead, our results show that the island’s admixture history since the Bronze Age is as complex as that in many other parts of Europe.

So, let’s assume this work is, at least in the broadest sense, accurate about Sardinia. Thus, the idea that Sardinians are merely unmixed Neolithic EEF farmers is false. This puts all the other work in the field showing Sardinians as of an unmixed ancestral component into question – or does it merely confirm what I have written, that the outcome of population genetics measurement depends on how it is performed?  Possibly the latter.  If you stop the analysis at one level, Sardinians are unmixed; however, if you dig deeper and look for more ancient ancestral components, with different reference samples (this is ALWAYS the key – it is always about the parentals), then different results are obtained.  One wonders though how long Der Movement will keep on mindlessly repeating – “Sardinians are pure EEF.”

More important perhaps is the “Iranian-related ancestry” – “which was ubiquitous in the Aegean”- being found in Sicily as far back as the Middle Bronze Age. Once again, my suppositions are supported, as I have suggested that the “Near Eastern/Middle Eastern, Southwest Asian, West Asian,” etc. ancestral components identified by the ancestry testing companies (and by some studies) in Mediterranean Europe, including the West Mediterranean islands, are for the most part of ancient origin, present in this part of Europe for thousands of years.  Hence, it is part of the ethnogenesis of various European ethnies, and should be considered indigenous European ancestry.  If the ancestry testing companies (and others) would properly include a broader range of populations as parentals, then results that cause spontaneous sweaty ejaculation among Nutzis would be presented quite differently.  Note the part of the abstract “many other parts of Europe” to describe ancient “admixture history.”  There are a variety of ancient ancestral components in Europe dating back thousands of years, if not by the Bronze Age then at least by the Classical Period. These are all elements contributing to the ethnogenesis of extant European ethnies.

The authors do state in the main text that population modeling demonstrates that some degree of North African ancestry was added on to these Western Mediterranean islands (e.g., Sardinia, Sicily) after the Bronze Age, some of which may be modern – although the authors talk of the “last two millennia.”  This minority ancestry – which is curiously absent from many ancestry testing company results and which therefore may be another artifact of population modeling – is, to the extent that it is real, part of the ethnogenesis of these European populations.   

However, the question of modeling influencing results, and the reality of those results, can be re-examined by taking another look at that table from Durocher’s latest onanism material.

Note that Germans are being used as the European component representative for the admixture analysis, and despite that, Northern and Central European populations are still getting percentages ascribed to “Saharawi” and “Qatari” components.  Given clinal gene frequencies, it is not surprising that Southern European populations are modeled as having North African and Near Eastern ancestral components compared to Germans, but what to make of, for example, such ancestry in Swedes, Norwegians, Scots, and the Irish? I presume that Der Movement does not believe that such populations have any modern admixture from North African or Near Eastern sources. Therefore, the findings for those populations are artifacts from the modeling, ancient admixture, or both.  If that is so, then any “real” modern admixture in the Southern European populations has to be whatever small percentages in excess of that found in Northern and Central Europe, and even there, the clinal gene frequency issue has to be considered.  The same principles hold for the modeling in the preprint discussed above.

Consider also the old saying – “if you look for something, you will find it.”  Some population geneticists seem to have an agenda of wanting to find admixture in Europeans deriving from sources akin to those groups currently constituting the migrant invasion of our home continent.  Thus, from the preprint, emphasis added:

Thus, rather than being an island sheltered from admixture and migration since the Neolithic, Sardinia, like almost all other regions in Europe has, been a site for major movement and mixtures of people.

You are all admixed!  Resistance is futile!  You will be assimilated!

Race, Sex, Trump, Durocher

In der news.

Not an incel.  Good to see that all of the Joan of Arcs out there are properly rewarding only the most high-quality male biological specimens with abundant sexual access!  After all, we only want high-IQ geniuses, producing the most exquisite cultural artifacts and the most important discoveries and inventions for human progress, to be thus rewarded.

When we need to save “Black bodies,” then race suddenly exists, and has a biological basis.

See comment # 208 in response to Durocher. None of those comments are from me, by the way, in case anyone was wondering. There are others willing to point out Durocher’s unrelenting mendacity. There is no line drawn in Europe separating the areas of absolute purity from those exhibiting highly admixed cringing subhumans.  Further, as my posts about ancestry testing have demonstrated, you can model any group – or individual – as combinations of other groups, if for some reason you wanted to do so. In the early days of population genetics, it was all about modeling the European genepool as a mix of Asian and African; in the paper Durocher ejaculates about, we see a supplementary data table modeling populations as mixes of German, Saharawi, and Qatari. Only an idiot who thinks Ostara was a scientific journal would take any of that at literal face value, without nuance.

Trump the HBDer.  Getting more East Asian females in America will be a boon to two groups of White deviants.  First, sublimated pedophiles can indulge themselves with adult Asian females with no legal sanction.  Pederasts benefit also. Since there is minimal phenotypic difference between an adult Asian female and a pre-pubescent boy, sublimated pederasts can avoid legal and societal sanctions and indulge their predilection for man-boy love with adult Asian females.  A win-win, I suppose.

Meanwhile, Trump the White-hating criminal traitor wants to replace native professionals with an Asian overclass.  After all, there are no native geniuses, right Don?  Well, in the Trump family, that’s certainly true.

Hey, Pelosi, when are you going to impeach Trump, who is CLEARLY guilty of obstruction of justice?  Impeach, trial by Senate, indictment, conviction for the CRIME of obstruction of justice, and then time spent in the prison infirmary to repair certain injuries sustained while having intimate conversations with fellow inmates.

IMPEACH TRUMP!

Yellow Fever as Sublimated Pedophilia

Hypothesis.

Reading up on the Roissy situation, I came across this website. Excerpt:

Asian people have very neotenous (youthful, innocent looking) faces. This neoteny makes Asian girls cute, while having disadvantageous effects on the men; they look harmless, feminine and prepubescent.

While I object to the description of Asian “girls” as “cute,” that comment on neoteny is accurate; for example, see here.

It is an interesting point that the same features that make Asian females attractive to “awkward squad” White males also makes Asian males unattractive to everyone. Negroes in contrast can be considered the opposite – an anti-neotenic race for which the males have the most success in attracting mates across racial lines, while the females have a much lower relative sexual marketplace value (SMV).

This is also consistent with my previous discussion that there is a subtle underlying correlation between Yellow Fever and pedophilia. I am not saying that Yellow Fever White males are pedophiles; instead, such socially awkward White males may have a subtle, perhaps unconscious, preference for very young, innocent, non-threatening females for sexual access, and these desires are sublimated into an attraction to adult Asian females, who display neoteny.

Thus, Yellow Fever may be sublimated pedophilia.

I have also previously written that low SMV White males prefer Asian females because they can get better SMV there. Thus, because Asian females prefer White males (more masculine than Asian males, but more good-looking, intelligent, acceptable, and productive than Negro males), low-quality White males get a SMV boost.  Thus, a White male who is a “4” to White females may be a “7” to Asian females – thus, instead of being an incel or being stuck with a 400 pound Walmart White Whale, the White male can be with an Asian female he considers “cute.”

In bed with the press, again.  This is a mistake. In general, the only time WNs should talk to the press is if they are involved in an electoral campaign – as the candidate, or as an advisor or spokesman for the candidate.  Otherwise – with some specific exceptions dependent upon a particular situation (which this is not an example of) – there is no good reason to do so.

What’s the agenda here?  To bring ideas to the masses? Laughable. To reaffirm leadership status, as the Counter-Currents article suggested?  Or to delegitimize Trump by tarring him with WN and Unite the Right?