Category: Rome

The Once and Future Year: 2019-2020

Looking back and ahead.

Questions/predictions for 2019 made here a year ago. Let’s review some of them.

Is the new focal point of the American “movement” in 2019 going to be the Alt Wrong?  Is the new focus the emerging Counter-Currents-Amren-VDARE-TOO-HBD axis?  How much damage will that do to the “movement” before it collapses as did its Alt Right predecessor?

Essentially, this has continued with Counter-Currents continuing to shill for HBD.

Question: Will the Silkers make peace with the Alt Wrong, and look the other way as regards Jewish influence, as long as Asian interests are being served?

No, not yet.

Question: Will the Alt Wrong be so clumsy – and not quite as optics-friendly as I wrote above – that they’ll let Jews and Asians play a more direct and public role in White racial activism?

Well, not really, although Unz is still lurking behind the scenes.

Who is going to be the “mainstream movement” opposition to the Alt Wrong? Will Strom finally – finally! – speak out against Jew/Asian worshipping HBD?  

No, he has not yet done so.

Or will the Alt Wrongers try to appease the WN 1.0 by appealing to their vanity and ethnic fetishism?  

Well, yes, they always do this. Particularly, Durocher writing for Unz with his warmed over hyper-Nordicism is the perfect example here.  Devlin in Counter-Currents writing about HBD is another clear example of this.

Who will Greg Johnson feud with next?  

Pilleater. I also note that Polignano vanished from an overt association with Counter-Currents after Friberg’s revelations about Polignano’s comments about Johnson.

Will the Alt Wrong alliance last through the end of 2019?

Yes, it did.

Who is the next prominent HBDer to either die and/or be exposed as was Rushton?  Will 2019 be the year of Lynn?

No, unfortunately not.

What will be the next sex scandal in Der Movement?  Will it happen in 2019? Heterosexual?  Homosexual? Bisexual?  Transgender?  Inter-racial?  Adultery/cuckoldry?  Pedophilia? S and M?  Bestiality?  Necrophilia? Some combination thereof?

Which Way Trumpian Man?  Will 2019 lead to impeachment?  

Yes.

What outrageous errors will the Quota Queens make in 2019?  What leftist will they label an “alpha shitlord” (trust the phyzz!)?  

All the errors were documented here throughout the year.  As far as leftist “alpha shitlords” – leftist Hubert Humphrey, essentially – we need more men like him, according to Counter-Currents.

What leftist academic or movie director will they label “a man of the Right?” 

No one – not that I noticed.  This didn’t happen.

One can imagine some Old Kingdom Egyptian mummies getting gene-tested as 85% Middle Eastern and 15% sub-Saharan African, and the peanut gallery will declare – “Arthur Kemp was right!”  The mind boggles!  Possibilities, possibilities!

We had the Rome paper  That has been so far essentially ignored by Der Movement, for reasons that should be obvious reading my summary of the findings.

Prediction: White women will continue acting badly in 2019, and Johnson will continue to mumble about “Joan of Arc.”  It’s sort of like Whites and Blacks – the men who defend women the most are the ones who have the least experience and interactions with them.

Greta Thunberg – the heroine of Counter-Currents (and of Durocher). Then we had O’Meara lecturing heterosexual men about their attitudes toward women at Counter-Currents.

Also, we saw that the testing companies continued to be exposed as shilling a majestically flawed product.

Looking ahead:

I am not going to make predictions about the 2020 Presidential election after the error I made back in 2016.  I will say that I expect Trump will continue to be a fraud and he may shift right in his campaign rhetoric in order to fire up his dispirited base.

I expect that Counter-Currents will continue its sad decline with respect to content – we’ll be seeing more of the likes of Jeelvy in the year to come. Johnson will continue to be Gaslighting Greg.  Johnson will – especially if Trump wins – pretend he never wrote that “Trump is toast in 2020 no matter what.”

The HBDers – both the Jeurasian and Nordicist factions – will continue to lie about race and racial science.

Spencer disavowing the Far Right in 2020 – 50:50 chance.  

I predict that one of the following – Johnson, Spencer, AIM – will suffer some sort of major defeat or embarrassment or failure in 2020.

I predict that attempts will be made to revive the Alt Right – in spirit if not in name – due to the Trump campaign, but that it’ll be a farce.

I predict that there is some sort of ongoing, significant infiltration of the Far Right going on right now, but whether it’ll be overtly discovered in 2020 is unknown.  A (unlikely, in my opinion) possibility is that the infiltration will be announced at such a time and in such a manner to attempt to harm Trump’s re-election chances, although this is just pure speculation (I’m not confident about the timing. I am confident that something is going on, but when the other shoe will drop, it is hard to say).  

Given the upcoming election, we can expect more embarrassing endorsements, obsessions, and disavowals from the candidates concerning people such as Princess Tulsi Coconut and Andy Eggroll.  At the same time, the Quota Queens, moving forward past the election, will pretend that they never endorsed a non-White woman who supports reparations for Negroes (Duke with Coconut) and promoted both Coconut as well as a White-hating Chinaman who wants to buy off White acceptance of their racial dispossession with $100 per month (Spencer and Johnson with Eggroll).

After the Greta Thunberg and Hubert Humphrey comedies, who will be the next “Nordish” leftist to be praised by the likes of Counter-Currents (‘we need more people like them”) or Durocher (“a great benefit to all humanity”)?  John Lindsay?  George McGovern?  Bill Clinton?  

We will likely see more evidence, more surface manifestations, of the “movement” version of “the deep state” – the intersection between the homosexual cabal, the HBDers, the Nordicists, etc. Every once in a while some sign emerges of this, like a flash of lightning in a dark stormy sky, illuminating the hidden realities.


And of course we end the year much as we started it,with the usual “movement” nonsense, with a few breaks of sanity mixed in.  Thus:


Derbyshire weeps.  From a sane Counter-Currents commentator:

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Posted December 29, 2019 at 6:24 am | Permalink
I have lived in China. It’s an ecological disaster zone, a pollution nightmare denuded of all wild animals. They routinely torture animals. For example, feeding pigs strychnine in order to cause weight gain before selling for human consumption. They use the body parts of various animals in teas. An example would be tiger parts to give them courage. They are behind the poaching throughout the 3rd world.

Because of their routine abuse of dogs there was an outbreak of rabies in one province. The Chinese authorities had men clubbing any dog they found and throwing its half-dead body in a truck bed. They killed 50,000 dogs this way. In one town the Chinese hung two dogs in the public square.

Yes, let’s emulate the Chinese.

Hey!  Watch it now (from the same source thread:

Victor Henderson
Posted December 28, 2019 at 5:23 pm | Permalink
Dont be too ethousiatic…..i feel like many white ethno-nationalist are really underestimating non-whites and especially the whole notion of black people having a low IQ which based on my own observations are far from the truth. The poverty in africa is also been made bigger then it really is, as France is one the major factors to african poverty in its formor colonies. The jews are succesful as group because they have religous comminality and majority come from german-jewish backgrounds which is aslo a factor…Spielberg, Zuckenberg, Weinstein etc all Germans. Here in western Europe i see many groups of west african orgin/heritage doing extremly well and scoring high on academic levels higher then the natives whites and east asians and exeeding well. . I also feel we are to focused on black this and that….while east asians have taken over population wise places like Australia, New Zealand, Canada and parts of west coast america and Europe. The chinese are making major moves behind the scenes. At the same time muslims from middle east, north africa and asia are getting babies left and right in Europe. These things have to be discussed more in essence. Many muslims are focused on dominanting the west and the same with asians and in particular the Chinese diaspora community.

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Astra
Posted December 29, 2019 at 1:54 pm | Permalink
Best comment. Please, someone must write an article about this, or a series of them. Especially about asians and their developments. It’s so underestimated, but they should be feared for a reason. It does not look well at all. We are so few.

Some people are not getting the HBD and Silker memo.  East Asians taking over is the WHOLE POINT of HBD.  Chinese diaspora community?  The Silkers openly declared that they want colonies of East Asians living in the “West,” with black-booted Chinese girls with guns as “the border guards of the West.”  


Thus, the lead Silker expressed himself thus:

Sacrosanct European territories in the Americas, Australia and New Zealand will likely need to become smaller at any rate in order to be maintained and defended. But with the increased manageability of defense will come an opportunity to offer cooperation to Asians to have some sacrosanct territories of their own in these places.  

We already have Chinatowns. Now there could be some intermittently disbursed along the borders of the Mediterranean and among European cities with border and migrant control an explicit part of their mandate.

They not only OPENLY STATED that, but provided photos of what they perceive their Asian masters (dominatrices?) to be. Long time readers of this blog will remember and know of what I write.  


There are factions of Der Movement that have the fairly open goal of subordinating Whites to Asians (and/or Jews). So what’s the surprise about any of it now?


Sounds like a description of Der Movement.

Here’s a very easy prediction for 2020: Expect more outrageous hypocrisy from Counter-Currents.


Counter-Currents: The absolute worst, most outrageously hypocritical Far Right site on the Internet. Oh yes, let’s preach the wonders of “ethnonationalism” and “petty nationalism” while engaging in ethnosupremacist ethnoimperialism, living in the nations of other peoples and taking their women.


What is it about Counter-Currents that attracts all of the ethnoimperialist hypocrites in Der Movement?

I’m at the airport right now. Being in Eastern Europe for the past two years, I’ve spent a lot of time at various European airports. In regards to my personal life, I’ve found myself in a revolving cycle of meeting Eastern European women on Tinder, taking them on dates to the local IKEA, and then breaking up and saying goodbye to them at the airport…Without divulging too much personal information, I’ll simply focus on some relationships I had with women that I dated in Ukraine, Latvia, and Hungary.

Yeah…should we take bets whether this person is of Ukrainian or Latvian or Hungarian ancestry?  Even if he is of one of these ancestries, what about the others?  If he’s mixed, that’s not the original stock as per petty nationalist purity. Therefore, it is 100% certain that he violated the ethnic homogeneity of at least two of those nations.


In summary, Counter-Currents is Ground Zero of ethnoimperialist violation of the ethnoracial sovereignty of European nations.

Under the Tuscan Sun

And other news.

Read this, emphasis added:

BACKGROUND:

The origin of the Etruscan civilization (Etruria, Central Italy) is a long-standing subject of debate among scholars from different disciplines. The bulk of the information has been reconstructed from ancient texts and archaeological findings and, in the last few years, through the analysis of uniparental genetic markers.

METHODS:

By meta-analyzing genome-wide data from The 1000 Genomes Project and the literature, we were able to compare the genomic patterns (>540,000 SNPs) of present day Tuscans (N = 98) with other population groups from the main hypothetical source populations, namely, Europe and the Middle East.

RESULTS:

Admixture analysis indicates the presence of 25-34% of Middle Eastern component in modern Tuscans. Different analyses have been carried out using identity-by-state (IBS) values and genetic distances point to Eastern Anatolia/Southern Caucasus as the most likely geographic origin of the main Middle Eastern genetic component observed in the genome of modern Tuscans.

CONCLUSIONS:

The data indicate that the admixture event between local Tuscans and Middle Easterners could have occurred in Central Italy about 2,600-3,100 years ago (y.a.). On the whole, the results validate the theory of the ancient historian Herodotus on the origin of Etruscans.

Let’s see:

1. That is consistent with the Etruscan sample in the Rome paper, assuming a reasonable amount of genetic continuity in non-Roman (by “Roman” here, I specifically mean the city itself, not the era) Italy.

2. This suggests that, contra Der Movement, in non-Roman Italy, certain ancestries that the fetishists ascribe to “Roman Empire-era slaves and migrants” or to “the Moops” may well have been present before the Empire, or before the Republic itself, and can be considered part of the native Italic population of pre-Roman Empire times.

3. Richard Lynn’s population genetics fantasies are undermined, and Rienzi’s riposte to “Hippocrates” in Amren supported (of course).

But, are we surprised to learn who is always, always wrong and who is always, always right?

He’s a sincere man of genuine greatness!  Do you know who should be impeached?  Greg Johnson should be impeached by the “movement.”

As I keep on saying – there is enormous room for right-wing populism in electoral politics in America,  There are plenty of “meat and potatoes” issues that can be used to rally White disaffection. Maybe Der Movement needs a bit more maturity, and fewer Quota Queens and fewer idiots screaming “Kek.”


Counter-Currents once again shilling for HBD.  You see, this is the real message the Judeophilic Yellow Supremacists want you to get (re: IQ):

Northeast Asians, including Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans, average 105, slightly higher than Europeans. Ashkenazi Jews average as high as 112 (or even higher according to some estimates).

And this is the sugar they use to make the poison more palatable:

Thus, in Europe, we find the highest intelligence in Finland and the Germanic countries (German, Dutch, Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian).

I’ve been saying that this is the HBD strategy for a long time and I’ve been proven right once again (what else is new?).


Pseudo-Hapa Bjork – who looks like Yukio Mishima’s (or David Bromstad’s) sister – is obviously of great benefit to all humanity!  By the way, this is the individual that Bjork was romantically involved with.  No doubt, Bjork’s behavior – of great, great benefit to all (all I say!) humanity – is quite “high trust.”


Andrew Fraser wanna-be Hampton:

Many reactionaries condemn America’s founding as a “Judeo-Masonic” plot or an egalitarian horror. America has always been evil and it must be destroyed to bring about the Catholic (or Evropean) imperium. This is an autistic view that many on the Dissident Right have embraced. It may make sense to some Europeans, but it dooms American identitiarians to irrelevance.

Let’s rewrite:

Many deranged fetishists condemn pan-Europeanism as an omnidominant “Mediterranean” plot or a panmictic horror. Europe to the south of Vienna and east of Berlin has always been evil and it must be destroyed to bring about the Anglo-Germanic fatherland. This is an autistic view that many on the Dissident Right have embraced. It may make sense to some sweaty Type I fetishists, but it dooms the West to irrelevance.

Counter-Currents – without a doubt the worst, and most destructive, “Far-Right” site on the Internet. 


Counter-Currents comment:

She also perpetuates Lewontin’s Fallacy: that intra-group variation exceeds inter-group variation, showing that population groupings are arbitrary or non-functional.

Der Movement, in its self-destructive “butt-hurt” (in some cases, literal no doubt) blacklisting of all things Ted Sallis, ignores that I convincingly completely refuted Lewontinism here, by actually demonstrating that ANY human group, even those randomly formed, will always demonstrate “more genetic variation within than between.” 


It’s a fact completely without meaning with respect to classification. You can take any human group – Japanese from Tokyo, red-headed Walloons from Belgium, Hottentots from Africa – divide those single groups into random smaller groupings of individuals, and there will always be “more variation within than between.” You can randomly mix any and all of those populations into a single group, and the same will hold.  And if you don’t believe it, do the calculations yourself.


Come now, Richie, as your pal Greg says, Trump is a sincere man of genuine greatness.


What Trump wants as a base. Hey, maybe those two can go to the White House and dictate policy just like West and Kardashian do.  Trump is sincere – sincere I say! – in his genuine greatness!


Hampton weeps.


More sincere and genuine greatness.

Odds and Ends, 12/22/19

Various issues.

It seems like “the boys” have a bit of a disagreement.  Of course, they are both wrong and both right.  The Left and the Mainstream Right are responsible.

Amerindian history and culture.  Fancy footwork from 2:29-2:34.

Interesting video by Taylor. Note how East Asians take the side of Blacks and of “diversity” (fewer White people). The Tropical Alliance marches onward, eh Derbyshire?

Bust of Gaius Marius, reflecting a Mediterranean origin. Julius Caesar.

Experto Crede.

E-e-e-qualiteee….racial e-e-e-qualitee…

The Big Lie

First, meet Terentius Neo.  Then we’ll get to the other lies.

The usual suspects in Der Movement (e.g., Kemp) have used the portrait of Terentius Neo to pontificate about non-European admixture in Roman Italy from “slaves and immigrants.” The usual paradigm is that Neo’s appearance reflects alien ancestry while his (assumed) wife reflects “native Roman-Italian ancestry.”  Evidence of such ancestries?  It is just that the fetishists “eyeball” the fresco and make a judgment based on their personal opinion?

Let’s consider what we know about this Neo family.  Emphasis added:

The fresco depicts a pair of middle-class Pompeians believed to be man and wife. Terentius Neo was a baker as the house had been modified to include a bakery, and the portrait shows the couple as equal members of a confident and fashionable mercantile class. The man wears a toga, the mark of a Roman citizen, and holds a rotulus, suggesting he is also involved in local public and/or cultural events. The woman is in the foreground and holds a stylus and wax tablet, emphasising that she is of equal status, educated and literate.

Neo was a Roman citizen during a time when the citizenship was not universal (the destruction of Pompeii was almost 150 years before the Edict of Caracalla).  Could he have been the son of a freedman?  Possibly, but what possible reason to assume so except that the Kempians don’t like his physical appearance? He was not only a citizen, and a professional for that era, but also someone likely “involved in local public and/or cultural events.” That does not prove anything, but it certainly is not inconsistent with being of native stock.  Or is the “Neo” that makes one assume a freedman assumed a Roman name?

See this.  Someone on the Internet vacillates between asserting a Samnite origin (native Italic stock) and about Neo being a freedman – a freedman in the first century AD who is not only a Roman citizen but is also likely involved in “local public and/or cultural events.” The Samnite hypothesis – itself speculation – seems more plausible. Indeed, it seems like the main rationale for speculating about an exotic origin here, besides the speculation about the name, is the idea that “gee, Terentius Neo doesn’t look like all those Anglo-Saxon actors playing Ancient Romans in the movies and on TV.” 

Bottom line – we don’t know the origins of the man (or his supposed wife, for that matter – maybe he’s the native and she’s the alien?  He could be a freedman, but it seems unlikely that a freedman would be a publicly active Roman citizen in the first century AD.  Was he the son of a freedman?  Anything is possible, but if the only criterion is – “he doesn’t look like Charlton Heston playing Marc Antony,” then that’s not good enough.  For all we know, he was a native Italic.

Putting aside the ethnoracial provenance of Terentius Neo, there’s a more fundamental issue here.

The typical “movement” paradigm has been that the original peoples of Italy, including (and especially) the Romans, were fairer and “more northern” (Nordic) compared to modern Italians, thought to be darker and “more Mediterranean” due to “admixture with Afro-Asiatic “slaves and immigrants.”  

However, what if the opposite is true?  What if modern Italians, particularly North and Central (where the Germanic influx from late Antiquity through the Middle Ages was greatest), are actually fairer and “more northern” than the ancients? Even in the South, to a lesser extent, this may be true as well, given Norman inputs.

The Normans expanded from northern France to a number of regions, including Sicily and the southern portion of the Italian Peninsula (and even sacked the city of Rome in 1084), where they established the Kingdom of Sicily (3, 36).

Then there were the earlier Vandal invasions, and the settlement of Sicily by mainland Italians, including North Italians, as well as other Europeans, after the Muslim population was relocated to the mainland after the Morabit rebellion and its aftermath.  The key point is the possibility that the ancients were actually “darker and more Mediterranean” than the moderns, rather than the reverse. Let’s consider my summary of the functional gene analysis from the Roman genetic paper:

Figure S29 gives functional allele frequency data, which mirrors the general genetic data. For example, throughout most of Roman history, lactase persistence is low, and increases only toward the end periods, starting with Late Antiquity, precisely those periods that have samples exhibiting the most haplotype sharing with “Central and Northern Europe.” Blue eye color was highest in the earliest (Mesolithic) and latest (Late Antiquity and Medieval and Early Modern) Roman periods; Iron Age/Republic and the Imperial periods look similar.  Hair color was not studied.

The three skin pigmentation graphs show varying line curves, but the trend is lighter skin as one progresses through time, rather than the reverse – the fairest seems to be the Late Antiquity/Middle Ages period – there certainly does not seem to be any differences between Iron Age/Republic and Empire, apart from the previously mentioned trend that goes against “movement” dogma.


The functional data, combined with the ancestry data, are compatible with the idea that the ancients were at least as “dark and Mediterranean” as the moderns, if not more so.  There is zero evidence for the reverse – Der Movement’s idea of the ancients being “fairer and more Nordic.”  

These posts about Rome, Napoleon, etc., we have seen here and at Western Destiny recently, although interesting in their own right, are more a means to an end rather than an end in themselves. And that end is the deconstruction of the “movement,” to expose Der Movement, Inc. as intellectually, factually, morally, spiritually bankrupt, as a conglomeration of liars, grifters, sweaty fetishists, and pseudoscientists unable to ever admit being wrong, a stronghold of ineffective incompetents, affirmative action cases who hide their ineptness and intellectual vacuity behind a screen of slogans and fossilized dogma. The “movement” is a pathetic failure, a bunch of frauds and liars, and all of you should eschew it and help build a New Movement.

That’s the end.  All these posts are the means to that end.

Meanwhile, all you Type I Nutzis will continue getting lied to, and you’ll believe it all.

You will be told that Blacks have higher serum testosterone than Whites and other races, even though peer-reviewed scientific studies prove otherwise. You will be told that the Ancient Romans, Greeks, and even Egyptians (!) were Nordic, even though ancient DNA studies continue to disprove those ahistorical inventions. You will be told that Rome collapsed because of “racial degeneration” so that the people “didn’t know how the big stone thingy worked anymore,” while the reality is that as the Western Empire declined and fell the genetics of Rome moved in a more “northern” and “western” direction and that the “big stone thingy” was working fine until the Germans came in, destroyed the Western Empire, and plunged Europe into a centuries-long Dark Ages (and it is only in this post-Roman period, that was German-ruled, that we find a lack of piped water). You’ll be told that the original Romans were individualistic northern hunter-gatherers even though the genetic data suggests a mostly Neolithic farmer ancestry and an overall Mediterranean (mostly West Mediterranean but with some Central and East Mediterranean components) racial provenance.  The fact that the height of power of the Empire was associated with a shift in the genetics of Rome to the “south” and “east” (I’m not saying that this shift was good, it is true that maladaptive population replacement took place within the city of Rome itself and in immediately surrounding areas, but I’m just reporting the historical and genetic facts) is something the “movement” will NOT tell you. They will lie to you about individualism and collectivism in Europe, confuse amoral familism with collectivism, and tell you one minute that Sweden is highly individualistic and in the next minute that it is a collectivist “unimind” with a “shame culture.”  You will be told that Rushton is a truth-telling hero, while his fellow HBDer Dutton (himself a buffoon who calls others neurotic while he behaves like a semi-retarded five year old with attention deficit disorder) admits that Rushton was a fraud and a hypocrite. Lynn will lie to you about IQ with his absurd and unscientific “estimates,” while being out-argued by an African. You will be told that everyone on the Far Right was part of the Alt Right and all blindly supported Trump, even though I was openly attacking the Alt Right and calling Trump a “vulgar ignorant buffoon” and a “Negrophilic race cuck” as far back as 2016. You will see the “movement” agonize over MENA admixture in Southern Europe while either ignoring North Asian/Siberian/East Asian admixture in Northern Europe or labeling the latter as “a great benefit to all humanity.” It is LIE after LIE after LIE, distortion after distortion, endless fraud and grifting – they even have the nerve to lie to you that the only thing the “movement” needs is money, after wasting millions of dollars given to them by suckers like you.

It is THE BIG LIE.

And you’ll only see it exposed here.

Ward-Perkins: The Fall of Rome

Who killed civilization and what happened next?

Quote from Amazon review:

Why did Rome fall?

Vicious barbarian invasions during the fifth century resulted in the cataclysmic end of the world’s most powerful civilization, and a ‘dark age’ for its conquered peoples. Or did it? The dominant view of this period today is that the ‘fall of Rome’ was a largely peaceful transition to Germanic rule, and the start of a positive cultural transformation.

Bryan Ward-Perkins encourages every reader to think again by reclaiming the drama and violence of the last days of the Roman world, and reminding us of the very real horrors of barbarian occupation. Attacking new sources with relish and making use of a range of contemporary archaeological evidence, he looks at both the wider explanations for the disintegration of the Roman world and also the consequences for the lives of everyday Romans, in a world of economic collapse, marauding barbarians, and the rise of a new religious orthodoxy. He also looks at how and why successive generations have understood this period differently, and why the story is still so significant today

That very well summarizes the book; having read it, I strongly recommend it (you should be reading on this subject other than retarded “movement” propaganda), and would like to make some points about it here. The book is broadly divided into three parts. First, a historical overview, with the author’s opinions and interpretations as to what happened and why, and also insights into the cross-assimilation process between the defeated Romans and their new German masters. Second, a detailed analysis of the physical evidence for an actual catastrophic Fall, an end to civilization, and the suffering that spread in its wake. Third, a brief summary, with a final warning that what happened to the Romans in their complacency could happen to “our” current civilization (I put “our” in scare quotes because it has already been subverted by aliens – we are already in the process of a Fall).

The author is a self-described “Englishman,” and, although “he was born and raised in Rome and spoke Italian from childhood,” he explicitly states in his book that, personally, he dislikes the Ancient Romans. That is an odd thing for a historian to state about a people he is writing about, but, if he is sincere in that statement, and there is no reason to believe otherwise, then that demonstrates that he is not a shabbos nord stepandfetchit pandering to swarthoids. He is merely writing what he believes is the truth, based on his research. 

One negative about the book to get out of the way – the author writes: “There is no reason to believe, as people once did, that ethnic behavior and identity are genetically transmitted, and therefore immutable.” There is actually every reason to believe that, at least in the sense that a significant portion of identity is determined by biological affiliation and that much of behavior is genetically transmitted; where I part with Der Movement (apart from its constantly disproved dogma on such subjects) is with the idea that this is completely deterministic at the level of being 100% genetic. Phenotype is the combination of both genes and the environment; both are important (genes being more so), and the relative contributions of each inform as to whether the phenotype is mutable or immutable.

Another interesting and amusing part of the book is when the author describes how perceptions of the Fall of Rome have been shaped by ethnic and political considerations.  Thus, Italians and other “Latin” peoples tend to view the Fall of the Western Empire as a catastrophe, with savage and ignorant Germanic barbarians toppling civilization and ushering in a Dark Age. On the other hand, Northern Europeans, particularly Germanics, including the Anglosphere, propose the idea of “a largely peaceful transition to Germanic rule, and the start of a positive cultural transformation.”  And when, in the past, Germanics agreed that the Fall was traumatic, they asserted that it was all for the good, with one German philosopher quoted, with all the sweatiness of a typical Type I Nutzi, about how vigorous northerners rejuvenated Italy by toppling the enervated dwarfish Roman stock (one can imagine Humphrey Ireland as a Goth warrior, furiously attempting to stomp two foot tall scurrying Roman swarthoids, or Greg Johnson envisioning manlet Tom Cruise as an enervated Roman dwarf). On the other hand, the Scottish historian William Robertson lamented the destruction of civilization that resulted from the barbarian destruction of the Western Empire, and then there is Gibbon.

Politically, the view of modern Germans informs opinions on this matter; when WWI and WWII was fresh in people’s minds, the idea of rampaging barbarians was at the forefront, but with today’s more peaceful and influential (and cucked) Germany, the “peaceful transition” idea has more adherents. The author quotes harsh evaluations of the Germanic invaders by English and French scholars during the 1930s and in the immediate post-WWII period. 


More interestingly, the author claims that today’s pro-Germanic paradigms about the “peaceful transformation of the Roman world,” with the consequent prioritization of Late Antiquity, is being used by European Union elites to legitimize their German-dominated globalist construct.  Further, the de-emphasis of Greco-Roman culture is part and parcel of modern anti-Western politically correct “scholarship.” This is all consistent with my longstanding thesis that the System leverages Nordicism to prop up the anti-White multicultural system, not only by dividing Whites but, perhaps more importantly, pandering to Northern European sensibilities by making anti-White constructs such as the EU, and the equation (or dominance) of other cultures – including non-White ones – with that of the Classical Civilization (thus undermining the foundations of the West [regardless of Spengler and Yockey]), more palatable. Similarly, I have argued that HBD occasionally panders to Nordicism in order to make palatable memes that have as their objective raising Jews and Asians to dominance over Whites. The HBD-Nordicism (combination of both paradigms) peddled by MacDonald – with its lies about Rome – is part of this (even though that’s not his intention, the outcome is the same).

The authors’ idea is that modeling the EU on the Roman Empire would leave out much of Northern Europe, but a German-dominated Late Antiquity period serves as an effective model for today’s German-dominated EU. Perhaps in a sense the EU elites are correct given Ward-Perkins’ thesis of Late Antiquity being associated with “the end of civilization.” This time it is the Western Civilization that is ending, with the same ethnic drivers of this catastrophe as with the end of the Classical Civilization. The first time as tragedy; the second time as farce.  In any case, the author of this book looks at the evidence and concludes that the catastrophe scenario is more accurate; the “peaceful transition” hypothesis is effectively falsified.

The author claims that the Eastern Empire survived while the West collapsed because of better geographical protections – the thin band of sea separated Europe from Asia, which allowed for the protection of Constantinople and the richer areas of Asia Minor and the Levant.  In any case, as I have written before, if Der Movement wants to blame biology for the Fall, and not other reasons and circumstances, how would they explain the survival of the  more “racially degenerate” (from a European standpoint) East?  If they invoke non-biological considerations, such as that put forth by the author, is it possible that such considerations apply to the West as well?  It is of course theoretically possible that the West collapsed for biological reasons (but remember that genetically the Western Empire was becoming more “northern” and “western” at that time) and the East survived for non-biological reasons, but it is more likely, and less cherry picking of explanations, to consider all of the practical reasons for the Fall without imposing “movement” dogma on it, and a desire to make self-serving racial analogies between then and now.  I also point out that the author is of the school that claims that the Western Empire was not in terminal decline when it fell, and was still powerful, albeit troubled. 

The author makes an interesting conclusion about Roman-German cross-assimilation after the Fall.  Thus, he writes: “…both groups moved ‘upwards’: the Romans into the political identity of their German masters; the Germanic peoples into the more sophisticated cultural framework of their Roman subjects.” Thus, the “Roman” population of various regions eventually (politically, and eventually ethnically, as those boundaries dissipated) identified as “Visigoths” or “Franks” (and in Italy, became “Italian” or identified with more local identities, so that only the inhabitants of Rome itself identified as “Roman”); meanwhile, the Germans attempted to adopt much of the “sophisticated cultural framework” of the civilization that they destroyed. Thus, the Romans politically became German and the Germans culturally tried to become Roman. This of course contrasts with much of “movement” propaganda of culturally pure noble Germanics sweeping aside all traces of degenerate Roman culture and civilization.  

However, despite the eagerness of some of the Germans – at least the rulers – to co-opt aspects of Roman civilization, they were not did not have the capability to sustain any of it long term, and the physical destruction (material, economy, contacts, the broader aspects of the Roman network) of the Western Empire by the Germans, which the author chronicles in great detail in the second half of the book, meant that no continuance of the Classical Civilization, of Roman culture, was possible.  Indeed, Der Movement likes to tell us that only the people who create a culture and a civilization can maintain it; thus, the descent into the interregnum of the Dark Ages after the German conquest of Rome was inevitable by the Der Movement’s own dogma. Of course, that suggests that, whatever demographic changes took place among the urban masses of the city of Rome itself, the overall Empire, and its leadership, was sufficiently stable, demographically speaking, in a broad sense, to maintain Roman culture until that culture and its civilization was killed, in the West, by the invading Germans. So, while the political assimilation of Romans into the Germanic identity was successful at least in some areas of Western Europe (for as long as those Germanic identities existed in those regions, before becoming superseded by more modern national identities), the cultural assimilation of Germans to Roman culture failed, at least initially. Only after the full cross-assimilation between the two groups (that took many centuries) did a rebirth of civilization become possible.

Indeed, one (most palatable for Der Movement, eh?) of the possible alternative histories broached by the authors, was of a continuance of the Western Roman Empire (in perhaps shrunken form). but under Germanic leadership, rather than of a collapse of that Empire. But that didn’t happen, did it?  The closest thing to a (very brief) revival was the Byzantine (the “degenerate” East) reconquest of Italy during the sixth century Gothic war – and the natives of Italy were so obviously pro-Byzantine that the embittered Goths massacred Italian civilians, including 300 aristocratic Roman children that were held hostage. Goths and Romans as “natural friends,” eh Jordanes?  (Apparently, “movement” lies existed as early as the sixth century AD).

Later of course, the synthesis between the contributions of the North and the South of (Western) Europe led to the creation of the Western Civilization (as Yockey recognized), although of course some in the “movement” believe otherwise.

The author contrasts the paradigm of “Romans politically becoming Germans and the Germans culturally becoming Romans” to that of the Arab conquest of MENA areas, in which the conquered peoples not only adopted the political identity of “Arab” but also adopted the Islamic culture of their conquerors.  The difference, as the author asserts, is that the Arabs conquered in the name of the militant new faith, while the “culturally flexible” Germans came with no cultural agenda; instead, they wanted to partake of the riches of Rome.  The author makes clear that the Germans did not intend to destroy the Empire but to exploit it, but destroy it they did; as the author puts it, they were guilty of manslaughter, not murder (lack of homicidal intention).

The second part of the book is an impressive, albeit somewhat dry (unless you are very interested in potsherds and such things), accounting of the physical evidence of the collapse of civilization, and the resulting drastic drop in living standards consequent to that. The physical structure of the Western Roman Empire was wrecked by the German conquest – and that applies to the entire Empire, even to those areas abandoned before the final Fall, Britain for example.  The author writes: “It may be hard to believe, but post-Roman Britain in fact sank to a level of economic complexity well below that of the pre-Roman Iron Age.” The author states that the (relatively) sophisticated economy of the Roman world destroyed small-scale autarkic local economies, and made everyone dependent on highly specialized interacting large-scale networks, which were very vulnerable to disruption. Hence, we observe the collapse of this highly integrated and specialized economy and the long period (many centuries) of rebuilding required to get back to least partly to what was present before. The author makes the obvious analogies to the highly specialized “Western” economies of today, which are equally vulnerable to disruption.

Of relevance to that, let us remember what the odious scum Zman wrote about Rome, accompanied by my replies:

Zman: …started to think about those people living in the Roman Empire wondering why the water no longer comes from the big stone thingy anymore. 

Sallis: Because invading Germans wrecked them?

Zman: Some may have remembered their ancestors working on them for some reason, but they no longer recall why. 

Sallis: What bullshit.  When the water stopped running, it was because the city was sacked by, and later mismanaged by, the Holy Ones.

Zman: The people who knew how and why those aqueducts worked were long gone. No one was around who could figure out how to make them work again, because they lacked the capacity to do it.

Sallis: Absolute, raging bullshit.  The water stopped flowing after the fall of the empire. Who was running the show then?  Maybe folks who never built aqueducts in the first place. Odoacer: “What’s that big stone thingy?  Can my horse drink out of it?” Hey, Zman, take your Kempian lies back to “Lagos.” By the way, the “Lagos” joke is so stale by now it’s starting to stink like one of Zman’s South Asians.

Of course – surprise! – Sallis is right and Der Movement is wrong.  If one mantra, one paradigm, one meme can summarize Der Movement, Inc. it would be this – wrong, wrong, they’re ALWAYS wrong.

If anyone is to blame for the “big stone thingies” not working any more, it were the Holy Germans. Put that in your pipe and smoke it in “Lagos,” Zman, you insufferable idiot.  Indeed, the author specifically states a lack of evidence that in post-Roman Italy that rural and urban homes lacked the “under-floor heating and piped water” present in Roman times.  Piped water, Zman, which disappeared after your Holy Ones wrecked the Empire.

Whatever the faults of the later Roman Empire – and it had faults aplenty (as did the Roman Republic by the way, as did NS Germany, as did colonial America, as did, or does, every polity in history, albeit in different manners and to different extents – one cannot compare 1950s America to Idi Amin’s Uganda), it still was working, it still had civilization, it was still a working state with a higher standard of living, and technics, than the surrounding peoples. No, Zman, they didn’t forget how those “big stone thingies” worked.  No, the “big stone thingies” didn’t just stop running water.  Yes, it was your Germanic tribal heroes who wrecked everything, as Ward-Perkins – no swarthoid he – has pointed out in exquisite detail.

The genetics of Rome in the late periods – decline, fall, post-fall – when all those “big stone thingies” stopped working according to Zman, was moving in the “western” and “northern” directions.  Indeed, the settlement of Germans in Italy and the abovementioned assimilation no doubt explains much of these genetic shifts during this period, as well as pre-Fall immigration and political and military participation, and some assimilation even then (The Vandal-Roman hybrid Stilicho as an example).

The last part of the book summarizes the evidence and gives the warning described near the beginning of this essay, with the author saying that we can experience the same collapse in our complacency as the Romans did in theirs.  It’s already happening.

To summarize the main thesis of this book: There was no “gradual evolution” of the Western Roman Empire after the fall. It was crushed, ended, and there was an interregnum of the Dark Ages. You may say, hey, it ended one tired civilization and brought forth a newer, more vibrant Western civilization (Spengler saying that the Classical and the Western are two separate entities – let’s assume that for now, although one can argue both ways). True, but the same outcome could have been achieved, with less horror and without the long interregnum of backwardness, if the “gradual evolution” actually occurred, as I wrote:

Was the destruction of the Western Roman Empire by the Germans good or bad?  If we take the traditional (and “movement”) view that the (later) empire was completely degenerate, then it was undoubtedly good; however, if we take the view, discussed above, that the later Western Empire was actually more morally sound than it ever was, then the question becomes more interesting.

Rather than frame it in the form of “good” vs. “bad” perhaps a counterfactual analysis would be useful.  What if the Roman Empire, the Western Empire, was able to act from a position of strength in the fourth and fifth centuries AD to reform the European situation to one of a power-sharing confederation mode? What if Rome has won the Battle of Adrianople, and had corrected certain deficiencies and regained some degree of vigor.  What if a wise Emperor had realized that maintenance of a far-flung centralized Empire was no longer feasible (note that the division into Western and Eastern halves was the beginning of this realization) and had reformed the Empire into a Confederation of Peoples – Romans, Germans, Gauls – with cooperation, considerable local autonomy and various common objectives (e.g., eastward expansion, defense against the Huns [Chalons as a crude example of what was possible], etc.).  That may have been unworkable given the attitudes of people of that time; on the other hand, the Gauls were Romanized after exhibiting such resistance centuries before; and, and, at this time, the Germans were no longer the same “barbarians” as in the past, some degree of “Romanization” had taken place, at least to an indirect degree. 

Rome could have at some point attempted to cut its losses, preserve itself as an independent “Mediterranean” power, and come to an accommodation with other European peoples.

Would that have hastened the development of the West, bypassing the Dark Ages?  Or would it have inhibited the development of the West by preserving the fossilized remnants of the Classical past its expiration date?  These are all interesting questions, ones that are never asked by a (itself fossilized) “movement” steeped in inflexible dogma.”

And then we have this:

We can consider the 1942 classic The Roman Commonwealth by English historian Ralph Westwood Moore. With respect to the idea that Rome went from a virtuous city-state to a degenerate empire, Moore classified that as a “pious myth” and further stated: “Morality in the large sense was a thing which Rome achieved as she grew, not a Garden of Eden from which her destiny expelled her or a state of innocence from which she fell.”  Blasphemy!  That doesn’t accord with “movement” dogma so it must be wrong, wrong, wrong – or Moore was secretly Moori, a swarthoid with a Medish agenda!

The point of this essay is not to mimic the “movement” (in the opposite direction) and take sides in ancient conflicts. The Goths and other Germans may have wrecked the Classical Civilization but they were instrumental in founding the modern “Faustian” Western High Culture – Western Civilization.  The point of the essay is merely to demonstrate to readers that there is genuine scholarship on these subjects and you do have to depend on the “movement’s” retarded dogma. The “movement’s” cartoonish view of noble godlike Germans and degenerate devilish Romans needs to be eschewed. The lies about the “degeneracy” of the Roman Empire and the changing demographics need to be interpreted in the light of facts, including that the maximal corruption of Late Antiquity and the subsequent Fall of the Western Empire took place at precisely the same time that the genetics of Rome were moving more in the “high trust northern hunter-gatherer” direction. We need to consider serious scholarship.  Shameless liars like Kemp and MacDonald peddle falsehoods about Rome to push their radical Nordicism, but you are not obligated to digest that nonsense as long as real scholarship exists to set the record straight.

Political PopGen

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More mendacity.  I like how they are trying to surprise us with “you see, the Ancient World was really diverse” (shilling for modern mass alien immigration), while the fact that Rome itself (the city and immediately surrounding regions, specifically) became a cosmopolitan city has always been well known. In fact, if I recall correctly, some of the early work from the Cavalli-Sforza lab identified Rome and Naples (and areas immediately surrounding) as being somewhat genetically different from the rest of Italy, with the suggestion that it was because of the cosmopolitan aspects of these large cities throughout history. What about Alexandria?  It has always been known that it had a variety of ethnic groups.  What about the metics of Athens? Again, it was ALWAYS known that these large cities of ancient big states/empires, civilizational units, etc. were not purely homogeneous.  Why lie?  Why set up a strawman so you can knock it down with breathless accounts of the “surprising diversity?”  If for what other reason than to convince Whites to open their borders to the other today, and to cheerfully accept their demographic displacement and replacement?

Again, it depends what you mean by “Rome.”  If by that you mean the city itself, I don’t know of anyone who ever claimed the city did not attract migrants and take slaves. However, if by “Rome” you mean the entire Empire, including the mass of the area of current-day Italy, that’s a different story. Migrants (non-European) were not settling, in any substantial number,  in “backwaters.” There were slaves working farms, but those were hardly settled people who were reproducing (and were unlikely to have been spindly, flabby easterners in any case).

The city of Rome – no surprise. The entirety of “Rome” is not, obviously, going to reflect the same “diversity.”  By the way, population changes in Rome thousands of years ago do not obligate Italy – or any other nation – to accept immigrants today.  And, also, Ancient Rome itself was under no obligation to accept newcomers from its empire. They stupidly had slaves, yes, but as regards voluntary migrants – why accept them?  Just because you rule over various peoples does not obligate you to accept them as migrants. Even when universal citizenship was granted, it could have been enjoyed in place. There was no need or obligation to accept any influx into the city of Rome itself.

This is amusing though:

Then, starting about 1,700 years ago, the empire entered a phase of gradual dissolution. The Roman empire split in two halves and the capital moved to Constantinople. Around this time, the inhabitants of Rome changed their trading habits — and the new trade routes seem to have brought a fresh influx of ancestry into the region, Pritchard says. “People aren’t just trading with the north and the west, but their population is being replaced by new people coming in from those places.”

Race replacement!  But alas for “movement” narratives, the “race replacement” coinciding with “a phase of gradual dissolution”- the decline and fall – was coming from “the north and west.”

Der Movement, Der Movement, Der Movement marches on.

Get this, from that same article; Pritchard describing the data:

…a pleasant surprise…

Pleasant?  

Value judgments about scientific data? That crosses the line separating science from politics. I’ve always said that population genetics is a highly politicized field and this article is yet more evidence. These guys can’t just report their results. They need to “interpret” the data to the great unwashed – pontificating about the wonderfully surprising “diversity” of ancient cities.  Population shifts and replacements – pleasant.  And of course Pritchard is not alone. Ever notice that papers stressing the Middle Eastern ancestry of Ashkenazi Jews, and the consequent asserted continuity of modern Jews to the Levant, tend to come from Israel? Papers that stress continuity between ancient and modern Greeks tend to have Greek authors?  Papers that stress differences between Northern vs. Southern Italy tend to have Northern Italian authors? Papers that stress admixture and population shifts are typically about Europe?  That Chinese population geneticists are not going out of their way to interpret data to delegitimize the Han Chinese ethnography of their nation?  Coincidence?

I’m not saying the data are false and/or fabricated. Instead, similarly to what I have written about ancestry testing companies, the types of samples used and the types of analyses performed can determine the direction of the findings. Choices of parental populations, choices of analytical methods, underlying assumptions, etc. can create marked differences in the data output.  Further, how these people choose to interpret the findings can be highly subjective.

Never mind that all these guys are allergic to genetic kinship assays.

In any case, how about this for an interpretation – the city of Rome was “diverse” and the Roman Empire collapsed, a “pleasant” correlation there.

Hey, here’s your “alpha” Supreme Court Justice, Alt Right retards. Maybe we can have more analysis from Roissy of Trump and Kavanaugh shaking hands or how each one stands up straight (or in the case of “big paunch” Trump, does not).  

This is a good Strom piece, but if he believes all of this, why doesn’t he openly and explicitly denounce the Jewish-Asian HBD cult?

Let’s rewrite some of it.

….what Sir John Harington said about treason in the 17th century. Harington was wondering why one hears so little about treason; he asked Why does treason not prosper? It must not be prospering, since we never hear about it — right? Wrong. Harington said: “Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”

Similarly, today, few dare call into question the promotion of open borders, racial mixing, mass immigration, and slavish support for Israel and all things anti-White by the supposed “American” media — and few dare mention the real ethnic loyalties and background of the billionaire media elite — because to do so would bring smears, economic repercussions, legal persecution and sometimes even physical violence down on the truth-teller.

….what Sir John Harington said about treason in the 17th century. Harington was wondering why one hears so little about treason; he asked Why does treason not prosper? It must not be prospering, since we never hear about it — right? Wrong. Harington said: “Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason.”

Similarly, today, few dare call into question the promotion of slavish worship of “high Jewish and Asian IQ,” aracial cognitive elitism, intra-European division, “race realist” lies and fairy tales, Jeurasian mongrelization, outrageously transparent pseudoscience, and all things anti-White by the supposed “movement” HBD faction— and few dare mention the real ethnic loyalties and background of the HBD elite — because to do so would bring smears, “movement” repercussions, and labels of “crazy and bitter” on the truth-teller.

If you tune in and see some Republican or Democrat talking head promoting another war or promoting more immigration or pretending he opposes more immigration on the television, and you switch it off immediately and more importantly forever, that doesn’t make the traitors stop existing. But it does give you a chance to perceive the world primarily with your own eyes and ears, and to draw your own conclusions instead of having them spoon-fed to you.

If you go online and see some HBDer talking head promoting intra-European division or promoting Jew-Asian worship or pretending he opposes more Asian immigration, and you switch it off immediately and more importantly forever, that doesn’t make the traitors stop existing. But it does give you a chance to perceive the world primarily with your own eyes and ears, and to draw your own conclusions instead of having them spoon-fed to you.

See how easy it is, Kevin?

More on Rome and Odds and Ends

Several issues.

Read this.  Emphasis added:

Although inhumation was practiced regularly in archaic Rome, cremation was the most common burial practice in the Mid- to Late Republic and the Empire into the 1st and 2nd centuries. Crematory images appear in Latin poetry on the theme of the dead and mourning. In one of the best-known classical Latin poems of mourning, Catullus writes of his long journey to attend to the funeral rites of his brother, who died abroad, and expresses his grief at addressing only silent ash.[13] When Propertius describes his dead lover Cynthia visiting him in a dream, the revenant’s dress is scorched down the side and the fire of the pyre has corroded the familiar ring she wears.[14]

Ultimately, inhumation would replace cremation; a variety of factors, including decreasing levels of urbanization and changes in attitudes to the afterlife, would contribute to this marked shift in popular burial practices.

So, a problem with the recent Rome paper – that is of course not their fault but they could have specifically mentioned it as a limitation of their study – is that they had to work with the samples available, those that were inhumed. They do make a statement in their supplementary section about class differences in Rome and how they believe they have a relatively representative sample, but they really cannot know this. 

In any case, consider the cremation issue. First, this may in part explain why they had so few Iron/Age Republics samples.  Second, and perhaps more importantly, it raises issues of representation later on as well. Were certain classes of Roman society more likely to cremate vs. inhume in any given period?  One finding of the paper was that the dominant ethnotype of the Iron Age/Republic samples – the more “West Mediterranean” type – was grossly under-represented in the Imperial samples. Was that because of a demographic displacement/replacement so significant as to be mirrored in the sample representation?  Or is at least part of the explanation that during the Imperial period most of the old Roman stock cremated their dead, while newcomers were more likely to inhume?

Sample sizes and assumptions about how representative the samples are – these are the two biggest weaknesses of the study. There’s nothing the authors can do about what the Romans did for their funerary practices but, as stated, they should have mentioned this, explicitly, in the main text of the paper. One can hope for more studies on other samples, if such are available.

With respect to “movement” heavy breathing, these issues can cut in both directions. Der Movement may wish to claim that all the Dolph Lundgrens in a toga were cremated and thus not analyzed; a counter-argument could be that the old Roman upper classes were all Julius Evolas in a toga, and that these are under-represented in the Iron Age/Republic because of cremation.  

Ancient Rome has become an excavation site known for its rather extravagant cemeteries. All in all, the commoners and wealthy families of Rome were buried in the same cemeteries; the wealthy, however, had more elaborate tombs. The tombs of the wealthy were typically cut out of bedrock and rectangular in shape. 

Any way of correlating the remains studied to social status?  According to the authors, no.

A Medicist critique of the paper by Crimson Guard:

They do not use any ancient samples aside from the Italian ones, but instead choose to use modern non Europeans Middle Eastern peoples as if these people have never underwent change,lol.  A minority of the Imperial samples group around Cypriots and where Ashkenazi/Sephardic Jews would often cluster around. Such Jews are mixed with European (primarily Roman era Italians and Greeks). It also does not take into account that certain Mediterranean populations like Druze and Turks tend to be closer to Southern Europeans due to a Neolithic and Bronze/Iron Age connection(including Sea People/Philistines) along with West to East migrations, here they interpret everything based on historical movements where its basically one way admixtures. They try to connect African to mean Sub-Saharan and Phoenicians with Sub-Saharan Africans and do the same with the North-African Ibero-Maurasian(which somehow also means or includes Neolithic Moroccans to them)  – meanwhile the R475 sample Etruscan is no where near North Africa let alone  Sub-Saharans Yoruba.  R80 and R132 are much more closer to Cypriots than to North Africans.

They also claim that I-M253 haplogroup arose in Northern Europe meanwhile early examples were found among  Linear Ware samples from Hungary.  LBK   had affinities to modern-day populations from the Near East and Anatolia. Steppe peoples were not Western Hunter Gathers either and they were not “European either.

These criticism are mostly correct.  And the inclusion of Basques in the Central/Northern Europe cluster is not only mindboggedly stupid, but is made to look nonsensical by the PCAs they included in their own paper. The haplotype sharing data became skewed by these bizarre and subjective decisions, never mind the labels they gave to various genetic ancestry components.

I’m sure the Nordicists will have different complaints and/or wildly alternative explanations.  I have repeatedly said that it is difficult to separate politics from population genetics. And if you believe that population geneticists themselves are free of political bias when it comes to their science, then you are painfully naïve.

However, there is much useful information in the paper, so we need to sift through the trash to find the isolated useful nuggets.


From the paper’s supplementary section (emphasis added):

…highlighting the substantial influence of this “eastern” influence on the genetic makeup of central Italians in Iron Age. Furthermore, the influence of this “eastern” ancestry is not limited to R437 and R850, as R1016 and R1015 can also be modeled as RMPR_CA + Anatolia_IA.SG, and R1016 (but not R1015) as RMPR_CA + Armenia_LBA

Thus, the Iron Age/Republic samples, at least some of them, seem more “Mediterranean” than those from the preceding Copper Age.  This is not consistent with “movement” dogma, despite whatever “spin” they would like to give.

Further, the higher WHG-related ancestry in some Iron Age/Republic samples are most likely due to derivation from the Copper Age situation in which higher WHG ancestry came into play, possibly through admixture with Neolithic populations with greater WHG percentages.  Based on the PCA data, those would seem most likely to be of the Ibero-Basque West Mediterranean type.

HBD fraud on display.

Yet another of the pitiful juvenile retards that Greg Johnson is dredging out of the Alt Right sewer to “write” for Counter-Currents.  The kids are alright!  Or Alt Right? 

We’re thin, fit, handsome, with strong jaw lines and good haircuts…We dominated them not only physically with our high testosterone voices….

Brandon/Brendan is getting ready to flirt.

Where does Johnson find these people?  Does he advertise? Wanted: Immature Millennial numbnuts to write for “traditionalist” ethnonationalist webzine. Triple digit IQ not required.

In all seriousness, it is good that these “Groypers” are challenging the false conservatives (that includes Trump himself by the way, that “sincere man of genuine greatness”), but the “kids” need to grow up.

Der Alt Right marches on:

Jane Dough 

Oh good. Another article telling the alt-Right to man up. We need more of those.

Gregory, please let us know the date and location for your IRL counter-insurgency, I’ll mark it on my calendar and try to attend.

What’s that, Gregory? Your job is to inspire others to man the barricades?

Oh. Okay.

txjon18  Jane Dough 

Conte is a dunce. Skipping to keep up with Richard Spencer, who himself has the brain of a woman. The problem with the American Alt-Right are the dumb people attempting to speak for it.

Russell McGinnis 

Oh, Good God, who keeps posting the whining and wailing of the Charlottesville drama queens?

They’re gonna continue to have for sure *plenty* to kick, whine, wail and shout about as they get bent over by the opposition…

…they are now Palestinians and have been for some time.

This author is “lazy and weak” because neither he nor his comrades will be caught dead actually taking the time to model the problem and design an actual material response that doesn’t involved whining, histrionics and 40 year jail terms.

Videogames have destroyed an entire generation

Putting aside the Beavis-and-Butthead aspects of the podcast, and whatever ideological criticisms I have – they are essentially (whether they admit it  or not) pathetic pro-minority Christian civil nationalists – the criticisms they make of Spencer and the Alt Right are on point. Unfortunately, these idiots are just as bad as what they criticize.  

Great Christians there who say “go fuck yourself” to anyone who disagrees with them.  Yes, you idiots, I don’t believe in “god” ‘– “god is the truth.”  I will quote Pontius Pilate – “what is truth?”  Cue these idiots telling me to “go fuck yourself.”  Very “godly” that! Godly!  Christian!  The mocking and ridicule of Richard Spencer – Godly! Christian!  I dislike Christians not only for ideological reasons but because of their consistent personal hypocrisy.  In my life I have known many people who called themselves “Christian” but in fact I have never known a single authentic Christian – someone who walks the walk and not just talks the talk.  Nietzsche was right – there was only one Christian and he died on the cross.  On second thought, St. Francis was also a genuine Christian – so here is a role model for all the Christnats to emulate.

And so one night, before bed, I decided to try it. I knelt down, next to my futon, adjusting my bare knees on the hard floor. I put my hands together, did one last eye-roll, cleared my throat, and commenced speaking to God.

It wasn’t a long conversation. But I did notice a certain calm come over me as I whispered in the dark. Also, it clarified in my mind what was really important in my life at that moment. That I stay sober. That I support my family and friends. That I be a good person to whatever degree I could.

I felt a sense of completion and satisfaction when I was done. Who, specifically, I was talking to when I did this, I could not determine then, and have never bothered to figure out since. My “God” is neither an old man on a cloud or the supernatural father of Jesus. He remains the same formless presence that appeared across from me that first night.

But if I actually stop and think about it, I would have to admit that this invisible entity definitely feels more male than female. To me, God is like a wise older man . . . a father, or a coach. But he isn’t always older. At times he’s like a close friend, a person who knows me better than I know myself, and whose perspective is larger than my own. In that sense, my personal God probably is male. To be totally honest, I cannot picture God as a female.

This is the guy cruising around Eastern Europe looking for native women to lay.  Apparently God – in the guise of Roissy and Roosh – was advising him on that. Note as well we’re apparently dealing with another Alt Right drunk.

The worst writer in the history of the Far Right strikes again.

Why would a handsome Prince of the Realm be dating Gavin Newsom’s 50-year-old sloppy seconds? Kim Guilfoyle is a year older than Melania Trump, and unlike the First Lady, does not carry the Balkan genes which have made Barron Trump a giant among men…

Cue Greg Johnson sweatily comparing the height of Barron Trump to that of Tom Cruise. Perhaps he can borrow some really big calipers from Durocher to accomplish the task.

But assuming you’ve got no time, patience, or energy for more than one Jeelvyan irascible philippic per day, the operative concept is the following: In order to shore up their relevance, Alt Lite, center-Right, and centrist types have to constantly proclaim victory after victory and loudly trumpet the size and scope of their following.

Sounds like Der Movement, no?  But then….

The deeper, Dissident Right doesn’t need to be massive…

That’s good, since the influence of the “Dissident Right” can be measured in microns.

…or even win all that often…

Good to see they are sufficiently self-aware there.

…in order to be relevant…

Which they’re not.

…our legitimacy…

Is non-existent.

…is derived from our allegiance to the truth. 

Hah!

We do not have to signal our high status…

There’s nothing to signal.

…it is self-evident from our quest for the answers to the really tough questions. 

Tough question – how to squeeze more “D’Nations” from all them suckers?

This makes us robust…

As a mouse.

…even a little bit antifragile to failure.

Good to hear it, or else they’d be falling apart several times per day.

I’ve noticed that whenever there is a Jew-Gentile conflict in the United States, there is often a Yankee vs. Jew situation in play…This also applies in the in the Demjanjuk case. Of course, Demjanjuk’s ancestors weren’t on the Mayflower or Arbella, he was most certainly not a Unitarian Universalist or Congregationalist, and he’d probably never heard of Cotton Mather. However, put his son and son-in-law (both shown in the film) in a blue Union Army uniform and they wouldn’t look out of place in Mr. Lincoln’s Army.

I mean, this is incredibly, outrageously retarded even for Counter-Currents. This idiotic author inserts a completely superfluous aside about “Yankee vs. Jew situation” conflict – which hasn’t existed for decades, quite the opposite according to Lind’s “American Tribes” paradigm – in an essay about the Demjanjuk case, and then tries to justify using a Ukrainian to illustrate the “Yankee vs. Jew situation” with “…put his son and son-in-law (both shown in the film) in a blue Union Army uniform and they wouldn’t look out of place in Mr. Lincoln’s Army.”  If I actually tried to mock and ridicule Counter-Currents by attempting to invent some sort of absurdity one would expect from the site as it is exists today, I couldn’t be able to come up with anything so ludicrous. Congratulations for hitting a new low.

It is amazing that even after the embarrassing collapse of the Alt Right, the complete exposure of WN 2.0 as a pitifully pathetic empty shell, and the humiliations of Trump’s endless betrayals, the Beavis-and-Butthead crowd are still pushing the Pepe nonsense.

But, but, but…He’s a sincere man of genuine greatness, and don’t you forget it!  Also, send in those “D”Nations” to Counter-Currents.  After all, those who give live in the golden age today!


And what if someone’s entire “activist” history is one long “faux pas?”  Any accountability?


Hey! If affirmative action is still banned in Washington state, then why do we have “movement leaders” living there?


A book for Der Movement.


Fisking Zman:

One of the curious things about conservatism, as in Buckley-style conservatism, is that it never examined its failures. Even today, when asked about why they were unable to muster a defense against the homosexualization of the culture, a guy like Charlie Kirk is poleaxed by the question. He’s standing in front of a sign that reads “culture war” alongside a homosexual and he is baffled about the question. Even the more thoughtful and honest among conservatives have a huge blind spot for their past.

Rewritten:

One of the curious things about Der Movement, as in the Alt Right, is that it never examined its failures. Even today, when asked about why they were unable to muster a defense against the homosexualization of the “movement,” activists are poleaxed by the question. They talk about “traditionalism” alongside homosexuals and are baffled about the question. Even the more thoughtful and honest among Alt Righters have a huge blind spot for their past.

Back to Zman:

Conservatives never stop to think that maybe California is what the ruling class wants for all of North America. After all, the people running those tech giants are living great lives. In fact, they live lives no mortals have experienced in the history of man, so from their perspective, the system works. It’s not just the plutocrats at the top. All the way down the line, the managerial elite is now living as aristocrats. Sure, there is rot down toward the bottom, but that’s true of all ruling elites.

Rewritten:

Rank-and-file activists never stop to think that maybe Der Movement is what the ruling class wants for all of racial activism. After all, the people running those blogs and organizations are living great lives. From their perspective, the system works. It’s not just the “rock stars” at the top. All the way down the line, the Quota Queens are now living as racial aristocrats. Sure, there is rot between the ears, but that’s true of all “movement” elites.

Back to Zman:

The United States was never a nation in the tradition sense. It was always a federation of nations. The structure the Founders created was an explicit acknowledgement of it. The regional difference in the colonies at the time of the founding were not superficial. Those regional differences are still with us today, despite the migrant wave unleashed on many parts by the ruling class. America was always a house with many mansions.

These guys extend their ethnonationalism to the concept of America itself.  There is nothing they don’t try to divide. Ever notice that all these types are supporters of HBD?