Category: Sunic

23 and Derb

Several items.

One of the ethnoracial categories in 23andme is “British and Irish” – the peoples of the United Kingdom and Ireland.  This obviously includes the English.  Derbyshire is, as he and his fetishist supporters always like to tell us, of 100% English genealogical ancestry.  But, the confused Type Is mutter, how can it be that a person of 100% “British/Irish” ancestry only turn out to be ~70% “British/Irish” in 23andme testing?  Dammint, we be stumped!  After all, statistical error is not going to account for a 30% shortfall.

Those numbnuts who blindly accept 23andme results as if they are they word of God (of biomechanics, I suppose) don’t realize that the words used to designate 23andme categories are descriptions of genetic entities and not perfectly aligned with everyone’s actual genealogical ancestry, and that these entities are based on the consensus reading of the samples they’ve used to “calibrate” their analysis. The output of the data are going to be based on the input of the parental samples, a point I’ve made here many times.  After all, if Derbyshire himself was used as the parental sample for “British/Irish,” then, obviously, if he was then sampled, compared to himself, he would turn out to be “100% British/Irish”  (or maybe 99%, given possible error), no?

The designation of chromosome fragments as “British/Irish” are based on the samples 23andme used as parentals for that population group designation, the genetic entity they named “British/Irish.”  That’s a consensus of data from a variety of individuals presumably consisting of English, Scottish, Scots-Irish, Welsh, and Irish.  Individuals of those ancestries – like Derbyshire – are not going to exactly match the generalized consensus derived from all those input samples.  And, then, there is overlap between closely related groups in genetics; a Derbyshirian chromosome fragment may seem a bit more like “German/French” or “Broadly Northwestern European” (both very similar to “British/Irish”) than specifically similar to “British/Irish.”  Someone like Greg Johnson, who claims founding stock ancestry, and presumably doesn’t have any direct “Moops” ancestry, claims a 1% “North African” result. Now, I don’t believe one should take low percentages seriously – it is not an exact science – but to the extent we do take it seriously, then that’s a chromosomal fragment that, for whatever reason, resembles more that of North Africans than it does Johnson’s actual genealogical ancestry.  Spencer had some interesting micro-results also.

So, yes, it is possible for a person to be 100% “X” as regards their actual genealogical ancestry, but test out as, say, 70% “X” in 23andme. That does NOT invalidate the genetic concept of ethnoracial ancestry, it does NOT mean the person is not really – genealogically speaking – 100% “X,” nor does it even mean that the methodology itself is (seriously) flawed. The output is going to be as good as the input and the algorithm.  Derbyshire simply is not more than a 70% match to the “British/Irish” consensus data. The same principle applies to other group.  Indeed, I wonder if ANY single individual would ever test out as 100% of any narrow group like “British/Irish” or even as high as, say 90%. Actually, a 70% rating is reasonably solid in designating someone as being a recently unmixed member of any narrow ethnoracial group like “British/Irish” (for a designation as belonging to a broad racial category – say, European – is of course another matter, there we’re probably talking about going over 90%).

And that’s with guys like Derbyshire having an advantage here, as his ethny is very well represented in 23andme’s databases.  The Derbyshires of the world had an even greater advantage in older tests, like DNAPrint’s, as there “European” was defined in terms of CEU – essentially, Mitt Romney as the genetic archetype, the paragon, of Europe.   Folks like Kai Murros, Julius Evola, John Belushi, Tom Sunic, or Corneliu Codreanu would not have been so blessed.

Come now, VDARE. don’t be critical; after all, it’s Der Master Race!

Der Movement marches on: in response to a thoughtful KMacD piece on the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting, the peanut gallery responds thus:

seethroughthis says:

November 14, 2018 at 11:30 am

One problem with this article….it goes on the assumption that there were actual deaths at this event. Everything about it suggest it is a hoax, no deaths, no injuries, nothing just bare faced lying and propaganda

It’s all a dat dere conspiracy by da gummint, gaddummint!  Really, there’s a special place in hell for all these tin foil hat conspiracy retards, starting with “J Richards” of Majority Rights, with his “the moon landing is a box” – because, you know, IF it were a hoax and people found out, it would weaken confidence in the multiracial System (alternatively, it may weaken confidence in White accomplishment, but let’s not nitpick the details, shall we?).  So, in typical leftist moralistic fallacy fashion, just because the Type I retards think it would be good IF something were true, the, it IS true.  QED.

Hey, Richie is realizing things I’ve been writing about here since 2015-2016, emphasis added:


 3h3 hours ago


The Alt-Right has lived by the sword and died by it, too. We ascended with Trump in 2016…then descended into wishful thinking, rationalization, and cheerleading. The more we facilitate Trump, the more we lose authenticity as a identitarian movement.


 3h3 hours ago


Trump has taken the slings and arrows of a revolutionary change-agent, while not actually changing anything.  Policy-wise, would things be so different if Jeb had been elected in 2016? Not really. If there’s an actual vision, I don’t see it.


 3h3 hours ago


If Trump is going to alienate middle-class White voters with his vulgarity, stupidity, and bombast—which he obviously has—then policy must be swiftly implemented that actually benefits them and changes the current paradigm.


 3h3 hours ago

More Richard  Spencer

There’s a lot of sarcasm in this thread, but the numbers are real and I’m being sarcastic to prove a point.Richard  Spencer added,


One of Donald Trump’s more remarkable and unheralded accomplishments has been to suppress the White vote.


The Sallis Challenge

See at end.

According to Tacitus’s biography of Agricola, the Silures usually had a dark complexion and curly hair. Due to their appearance, Tacitus believed they had crossed over from Spain at an earlier date.

“… the swarthy faces of the Silures, the curly quality, in general, of their hair, and the position of Spain opposite their shores, attest to the passage of Iberians in old days and the occupation by them of these districts; …” (Tacitus Annales Xi.ii, translated by M. Hutton)

Jordanes, in his Origins and Deeds of the Goths, describes the Silures.

“The Silures have swarthy features and are usually born with curly black hair, but the inhabitants of Caledonia have reddish hair and large loose-jointed bodies. They are like the Gauls or the Spaniards.”

An ancient European tribe with those physical characteristics?  Not Moops or Nigerians?  No, no, a thousand times no!  Tacitus – liar!  Jordanes – liar!  I suppose this all explains why Tom Jones was described by fetishists as a “Silurian type.”

Light reading for when you’re snug in your hobbit hole. Type I fairy tales, indeed.

Scalia was obviously a full-blooded Negro, without a drop of European blood in him.

I’m sure the gamesters will tell us to eat more meat.

Bur (sic) inexplicably, President Trump is on the wrong side of this race—evidence that his unquestionable transformation of the GOP into a National Conservative party still has a long way to go, not least among his own advisors.

Yeah, real “inexplicable” and all.  Or maybe Trump is just a fraud, like EGI Notes has been saying since 2015?  And what’s with “Bur?”  Is Brimelow not getting enough Shekels to proofread the articles going up on his site?  Do the writers not use spell check?  Was that supposed to be “But” or maybe, hey, Aaron Burr is making a political comeback?  Inquiring minds want to know!

Both sides are wrong: Zimmer is a pedantic fool, missing the forest for the trees, while Sailer is ignorant of basic science.  

Early Thursday morning this was posted at EGI Notes; later that same day:

Greg Johnson says:

October 18, 2018 at 1:27 pm

I want to thank Richard McCulloch for this thoughtful and gratifyingly positive review. As for the issue of the timetable for creating the ethnostate, that is a minor point of disagreement. As for my response to his criticisms, I can’t improve on Rob Bottom’sstatement above. Once again, thanks Richard.

“Thanks for giving me a positive review of my own book…”

And then, predictably, Silver re-emerges with his usual shtick:

Having Silver and Sunic in the same comments thread is amusing to any Majority Rights graduate with a long memory.  Silver defamed Sunic as an example of an “unassimilable” Balkanoid.  Meanwhile, the truth is that Tom is fine man, a good activist, as White as anyone else at TOO, and why he wastes his time associating with those people, I don’t know.

Anyway, what with all this mutual love-fest (excluding Tom of course, who isn’t “one of the boys”), none of these paragons of racial virtue and wisdom have yet noticed that the past 50 years of “movement” activism have accomplished nothing but failure, and all the rounds of mutual self-congratulation cannot alter the fact that their model of activism has failed, and their dogma is repulsing people, not winning “hearts and minds.”

This is the reality of life in America after 50 years of your activism.

“Most Whites have no racial identity…”  That’s their own friend Taylor saying it.

Winning hearts and minds!

Try something different?  Tap into different talent pools?  Not when it threatens egos and income!

Case in point: Der Movement’s cordon sanitaire around EGI Notes.  After all, Breezy Steve struggling with meiosis is of course more useful for activism than, say, a scientifically informed debunking of Lewontin.  After all, Sailer doesn’t threaten the status quo, or the flow of shekels, and that’s what’s important.

Note to rank-and-file: if your leaders really cared about “the White race” then they would make use of relevant material regardless of its source.  But they really don’t give a fig about the White race, and you and they really know it, don’t you?

So, I issue a challenge to the likes of Johnson, Spencer, Taylor, McCulloch et al. How about penning a post telling us two things:

1. What significant and concrete accomplishments toward society-wide White racial awakening have your efforts accomplished, and, similarly, what are the accomplishments toward that end achieved by other “activists” who share your ideological vision and overall approach?

2. Going forward, how do you expect continued efforts of your type to achieve your ethnostate/racial preservationist goals?  And for this, please don’t give vague platitudes or hand-waving about “metapolitics,” but instead a realistic and comprehensive appraisal for your optimism and your adherence to your specific approach.  And, while you are at it, please explain why your approach is superior to alternatives.

I’ll give your essay a fair hearing here, and will dissect and critique it (as I’ve been critiquing the “movement” in general here) – unlike your own (dare we say cowardly) ignoring of the critiques of your approach heretofore published here at EGI Notes (never mind your pathetic “banning” of critics from your own blogs).

Genes for Intelligence and TOO Doubles Down

Keeping you informed.

First read this, emphasis added:

Intelligence is highly heritable 1 and a major determinant of human health and well-being 2 . Recent genome-wide meta-analyses have identified 24 genomic loci linked to variation in intelligence3-7, but much about its genetic underpinnings remains to be discovered. Here, we present a large-scale genetic association study of intelligence (n = 269,867), identifying 205 associated genomic loci (190 new) and 1,016 genes (939 new) via positional mapping, expression quantitative trait locus (eQTL) mapping, chromatin interaction mapping, and gene-based association analysis. We find enrichment of genetic effects in conserved and coding regions and associations with 146 nonsynonymous exonic variants. Associated genes are strongly expressed in the brain, specifically in striatal medium spiny neurons and hippocampal pyramidal neurons. Gene set analyses implicate pathways related to nervous system development and synaptic structure. We confirm previous strong genetic correlations with multiple health-related outcomes, and Mendelian randomization analysis results suggest protective effects of intelligence for Alzheimer’s disease and ADHD and bidirectional causation with pleiotropic effects for schizophrenia. These results are a major step forward in understanding the neurobiology of cognitive function as well as genetically related neurological and psychiatric disorders.

Do any of these variants differ in frequency by race or ethnicity?

It looks like TOO and MacDonald are doubling down on their direction of recent years, emphasis added:

Towards the end of the nineteenth century, as American intellectuals were coming to grips with large-scale immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe, the optimistic views of the future that were so typical of the nineteenth century were more and more difficult to defend, especially because a large number of the immigrants were (correctly) seen as politically radical and inassimilable.

Note the word “correctly.”  Thus, the position of TOO is that Southern and Eastern Europeans (which includes Tom Sunic also, I suppose, who writes for TOO) are inassimilable aliens who do not belong in America.  While I realize that is the implicit view of Der Movement, it is refreshing to see TOO so explicitly expressing an open disgust toward a significant fraction of Europe’s peoples.  That’s consistent with Amren, which praises Jews as HuWhite Men of the West, while attacking ethnies such as those hora-dancing Romanians, no men of the West they!

If anyone wonders why I stopped writing for both sites, that’s your answer.  And if that is the attitude in Der Movement, can you deny the validity of the existence of the “movement’s” ethnic affirmative action program?

In Der News, 6/9/18

Der news.

Sunic foreword to Bolton’s Yockey book.

That’s the foreword to the book itself; insofar as I know, currently, I am the only one who has written an independent review of this important work.  That speaks volumes about the pathetic, low-rent “movement.”

Getting back to Sunic’s foreword, I’d like to say that Tom is one of the finest people involved in nationalist activism.  I don’t agree with everything he’s ever written of course, but people can disagree on issues but still think highly of each other, respect fine work, and note their essential decency as human beings.  Indeed, I sometimes disagree with Salter on some issues (as recently chronicled in posts here), but I cannot think of anyone whose work I respect more.  As I’ve said a number of times before – Salter deserves a Nobel Prize for his work on ethnic genetic interests; in a fair world, one not dominated by anti-White leftist politics, that Prize would be awarded.

By the way, Sunic probably doesn’t remember it, but he and I had a pleasant phone conversation many (15+) years ago.  A good man.

More evidence (if you needed any) that Sallis is right once again: the Danish left is farstreaming right.  Evidence to support mainstreaming: zero.  Evidence to support farstreaming: Trump, Orban, Denmark, etc.

Best Amren comment, in response to this article:

Jason Lewis • 10 hours ago
Right after they tell you that population numbers are concerning they’ll tell you that there aren’t enough babies being born in Western countries requiring a endless flood of immigrants.

More Alt Right Stupidity

More “movement” stupidity.

Getting back to a point made here, one needs to remember that Liddell has a history of fossilized “movement” ethnic fetishism, previously noted, for example here and also here.

Of course, one cannot forget this either (emphasis added):

Perhaps worst vice in our circles is accusing one’s opponents of being “controlled opposition” or enemy agents without adequate evidence. Mike Cernovich has said it about Richard Spencer. Ramzpaul and Colin Liddell have said it about Andrew Anglin…but calling people informants without evidence should be an absolute taboo — right up there with doxing our own people to settle petty scores — as it undermines the trust that is the foundation of every functional movement. The enemy spends a great deal of time sowing distrust in our ranks. So the suspicion of being an enemy agent should fall back on anyone who throws around that charge without evidence. They stand convicted by their own flimsy standards of evidence.

Certainly a well-rounded contributor to Der Movement, indeed!   To be fair, the same should apply to those who call – with no evidence whatsoever – Spencer a “CIA asset.”

The “Buck Negger” Trump is once again asserting his desire to do comprehensive immigration reform.

Cuckadoodledoo!  But, hey. Let’s concentrate instead on Trump’s “negs” and handshakes – more important no doubt.

Read this.

I observed no equivalent of jock culture; the overall dearth of masculinity among Nordic men is not a secret. Guys are mostly thin, well dressed, polite, and unprepared for a fight.

When Sunic made a similar point some years ago – albeit with less polite language – he was vilified.  Perhaps this author would be better received. One wonders – compare the modern description of “Nordic men” compared to that of the time of Karl X Gustav and, of course, earlier than that, the Vikings.  A Kempian racial “historian” of the future may as well claim that this drastic change in behavior has been due to “racial admixture.”  That’s not the case of course, and in cases like this, Frost’s “genetic pacification” is a more likely explanation – and for the Classical World as well.

It’s All One

The Asian menace.

We can ask why this execrable and ugly Filipina turd is even doing infesting America, like a flea on a dog.  But how is that hate-filled Asiatrix any different from those infesting White (sic) nationalism?  In response to Sunic’s fine essay at TOO, that Chinese Nationalist Maiden creature, who keeps on turning up like a bad penny, pops up to lecture Europeans on our ethnic differences.  Excuse me, but we do not need some Cantonese slut pontificating to Europeans about our business, thank you very much. Likewise, we do not need hate-filled Japotrices lecturing us about how we need to “inflict harm” on Russians in order to serve Asian interests.

Inflict harm on Russians?  I for one would love to see Russians inflict some harm on Asians, particularly on those mangy yellow dogs infiltrating into Russia’s Far East.  Let’s have some brawny Slavs go there and grab those diseased Chinamen by their scruffy necks and toss them back over the Amur.  If Russia had a real nationalist leader, the Asian contagion would have been cleaned out of Russian territory long ago.

So, in the end, how do these infiltrators of WN differ from Felarca?  Answer: they do not. Unfortunately, WN is infested with the same sort of mewling yellow fever faggots that characterize White males (not men) these days, who will, in a breathless and sweaty fashion, say or do anything to keep estrogen-deficient Asian females around.  Further: how do these infiltrators of WN differ from the Chinamen oozing into the Russian Far East like raw sewage leaking through a home’s cracked foundation?  Answer: they do not.

It’s all one.  All one and the same.  The yellow fist of hatred manifests itself in many ways, but in all cases, represents an existential denial of the West and blinding hatred of the White race.  From the Asian perspective, that denial and hatred might be normal, but Whites are under no obligation to accept it, much less facilitate it.

Sunic’s Reasonableness vs. Ethnonationalist Dishonesty

Good sense vs. stupidity.

Tom Sunic makes good points about the need for pan-European cooperation and against narrow and divisive ethnonationalism.

Here are Sunic’s main points:

My main point is that various European national identities should from now on play a secondary role. I argue that our first priority should be to what is sometimes conveniently referred to as our common biocultural identity, or to put it in different words, the salvaging of our common and collective heredity as represented by the broader family of interrelated European peoples…
…it is outdated for the Croats and Serbs, or for the Poles and Germans to wage war with each other or to dwell endlessly on their mutually exclusive historical grievances…
…European small-time nationalisms, with a flurry of national identities of sorts, inherited from the 20th century, must no longer play a crucial role in our new identity building process…This can best be observed in Ukraine and Croatia for instance, where a Croatian or Ukrainian nationalist often continues to frame his national identity on his anti-Serbian or anti-Russian sentiments respectively. Such obsolete and often conflict- prone “negative” identities are no longer acceptable in today’s Europe.

Please note that Sunic accepts the reality of narrow identities and states that such identities should be accepted:

For example a Flemish national cannot be a Walloon national – just as a South Tyrolean nationalist must not be denied freedom to show his German roots to his Italian nationalist colleague.

So, what is the ethnonationalist reaction to Sunic’s reasonable essay?  We get this hysterical comment, emphasis added:

Yes, European cooperation is absolutely necessary. But different ethnic groups banded together to face off predation against other more unified powers, hence England unifying against the Vikings, Germany against the French &c. German dominance of the EU, by virtue of geography, size and industry, is a proof of the continuing legacy of ethnic division of power within Europe. Why should an Englishman want to be legislated for by Albanians or Kosovans, my European ‘brothers’?
These national divisions are reinforced by language. The United States does not contain groups of different nationalities speaking their own languages. Different ethnicities came to the U.S. and formed a new ethnic group, speaking English. If an American goes to Europe, people are not going to identify him as a genericised white, but as an American.

I can’t quite see where in Sunic’s essay that he states, suggests, or implies that Englishmen should be legislated for by “Albanians or Kosovans” or anything else. It’s pure invention; unfortunately, someone reading the comment and not the essay would think that Sunic is advocating some sort of highly centralized European super-state smothering national identifies – rather than simply advocating “European cooperation” and accepting national identities. One reason I am so hostile to ethnonationalism is my long experience with ethnonationalists and other opponents of pan-Europeanism who are typically dishonest – fundamentally dishonest.  Lies, distortion, strawmen, illogic, stupidity – the calling cards of the unrepentant ethnonationalist

And the idea that, under pan-European cooperation, Albanians or Kosovans (groups, as mostly Muslim Europeans, may not be part of the European biocultural group as defined by most WNs) are going to be browbeating Englishmen, is ludicrous.  If any group has been dictating to the English, and other Europeans, it is the Germans.  As Sunic states:

The political roots of this morbid “welcoming culture” (at the core of which is the culture of guilt) are not difficult to trace. The roots of these self-destructive policies are legally embedded in the decades following 1945. It is not difficult to imagine that the policy pursued by German Chancellor Merkel was formulated precisely to exorcise the ghosts of the nightmarish past. As a result, she may find herself compelled to shield herself by pursuing what might be called a destructive extremism going in the opposite direction.

But typical “movement” Nutzis are “not allowed” to criticize Germans, so we need to engage in fantasies about “Albanians or Kosovans.”  The idiot quoted above admits that Germans dominate the EU (their industry!  their industry!), but that’s used to justify narrow identity, while the “problem” of EU opposition to national sovereignty is from “Albanians or Kosovans.” Pathetic.

Then we have this stupidity:

The United States does not contain groups of different nationalities speaking their own languages. Different ethnicities came to the U.S. and formed a new ethnic group, speaking English. If an American goes to Europe, people are not going to identify him as a genericised white, but as an American.

What about a Negro “American” speaking English?  So, obviously race is important, the White American will be identified as a White American.   Finally, Sunic is giving a prescriptive argument, not a descriptive one, but don’t think that the ethnonationalists recognize the difference.

Until such time that ethnonationalists can conduct honest and intelligent discussions, they should be ignored and scorned.