Category: Irish IQ

More HBD Follies

And other news.

First – a secret video of a high-level Alt Right meeting is revealed!

I typically ignore Dutton, but this comically self-unaware video deserves a few comments.  Everything Dutton says here can apply to him as well; is one reason Dutton is offended by criticisms of his past videos (hysterically calling it “hate mail”) his low self-esteem?  Borderline personality disorder?  Dutton’s underlying objective here is a Frankfurt School-like pathologization of dissenting opinions.

The classic example of his pathologization of dissent here is the comments about Irish IQ. Dutton takes a page from Durocher and assumes that if members of a population group argue against HBD lies about that group, then this is due to “wounded self-esteem.” God forbid that there may be legitimate criticisms of HBD!  Dutton goes further than Durocher. The latter merely engages in ad hominem to accuse critics of his racial theories as being motivated by “ethnic hurt feelings.”  The former, Dutton, pathologizes those alleged “hurt feelings.” You see, the “hurt feelings” are the result of being easily offended because of “borderline personality disorder.”  Disagree with Dutton? You need therapy!  Perhaps you should be sent to a Soviet-style political-psychiatric clinic, you neurotic (*). How Dutton (and Durocher) is different from the Left in pathologizing criticism is not immediately apparent.

Let’s consider Lynn’s “work” on Irish IQ.  Lynn took two disparate data sets of Irish IQ – one test given to Irish children and another to Irish adults, with the findings showing a two thirds of a SD (!) difference in IQ between those two groups – and then averaged the data!  Then, since the results of this averaging gave an “estimated IQ” that fit in well with Lynn’s GDP-IQ hypothesis, that “estimated IQ” was considered reasonable – very reasonable, indeed! – by Lynn and his acolytes.

Now, typical “movement” “activists,” who know nothing about science, may think all of that is all good and great, but to any genuine scientist, it is abhorrent. If you want to average data points, then they have to be from true biological replicates, not data derived from two different experimental approaches given to different sample populations (e.g.,children and adults).  And then to use that completely wrong data “estimate” to legitimize a pre-conceived hypothesis is totally outrageous, is totally self-serving, totally inconsistent to how science is done. Notice that no attempt was made to determine why the two IQ data points were so different; as long as the desired result was obtained, it’s all good to the Lynnites. How would Lynn “estimate” group running speed – average times of potato sack races by kindergarteners with sprinting times of Olympic athletes?

And if someone claims that such laughable approaches are not atypical for “the social sciences” then all that does is underscore that “social science” is an oxymoron.

HBD is not science; it is pseudoscience used in the service of politics.  And if an Irishman objects to these “estimates,” that is completely justified.  I’m not Irish, by the way, and do not have a “dog in the fight” on this matter.  And, by the way, even if it is true that the Irish have the IQ level that Lynn and Dutton claim, why does Der Movement obsess over it so much?  Insofar as I know, the Irish do not receive affirmative action in the USA (or anywhere else), they do not have deficiencies in levels of accomplishment in America and do not claim that any perceived deficiencies are the result of “systemic racism”- unlike Negroes, there is no strong rationale for this focus on their IQ, other than to indulge “movement” obsessions or to attempt to legitimize Lynn’s IQ-GDP correlations.

On the other hand, when it comes to enhancing the idea of a “high-high Chinese IQ” these guys use data that are very likely not representative of the Chinese population – but, hey, as long as it makes the Chinese seem like our intellectual superiors, it’s all good.  

But all of the above is merely a manifestation of “borderline personality disorder.” 

*If Dutton thinks that sort of speech reflects neuroticism, then why doesn’t he do an analysis of Spencer’s post-Unite the Right tirade?  Neurotic? Or how about Johnson banning people from his site for the slightest dissent. Easily offended?

More to the point, how does Dutton believe he comes across in his videos?  If anyone is behaving in a neurotic and histrionic manner, it is Dutton himself.  He reminds me of Strom’s first wife in that old Revilo Oliver memorial service video.  Those of you who have seen that know of what I write.  I am also amused about how Dutton uses an anecdotal incident with an ex-friend to illustrate his point (quantitative science!) – even more amusing, the retelling of the incident is essentially recalling how this ex-friend offended Dutton.  The lack of self-awareness is stunning – no neurotic cognitive dissonance, no siree!

Milady in the news.  It’s good to see that the female is displaying accomplishment in those fields of activity for which she is so uniquely suited.

Amren worries about their key constituency – Asians.  Asians support “meritocracy,” eh?  Putting aside groups such as “Asians for Affirmative Action,” Asian network of ethnic nepotism are hardly consistent with “meritocracy.” But, hey, it’s the Holy Oriental, so let us all grovel before the Altar of Asia.

Is Trump pushing Facebook to increase censorship of Trump supporters?

Sallis’ Law in Action

Mathematical certainty.

Let’s remember Sallis’ Law:

“As a “movement” discussion grows longer, the probability of someone commenting about racial admixture in Southern Europeans and/or Eastern Europeans approaches 1″; that is, if a “movement” discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later (typically sooner) someone will question the “Whiteness” of Southern Europeans and/or Eastern Europeans, the point at which effectively the discussion or thread descends into Nordicism, ethnic fetishism, and fossilized “movement” dogma.

This has been on perfect display in the comments thread on a (typically inane) Dutton (*) Jolly Heretic YouTube video. The subject of the video was the Irish, and this is what showed up there reasonably quickly, emphasis added:

Equalizing Force

Can you please do a video on the effects of the Islamic invasion of southern  and eastern Europe .

Super Mega SS 88 Ultra Rightwing Purity Death Squad

Super Mega SS 88 Ultra Rightwing Purity Death Squad

Equalizing Force Which one? lol

Dr. Edward Dutton: The Jolly Heretic

Dr. Edward Dutton: The Jolly Heretic

Yes.i will.



Oh goody

@Dr. Edward Dutton: The Jolly Hereticcheers,  I’ll buy you a beer 😁 in particular I have always wondered why the north of Italy and Spain seem to be the economic power houses of these countries and I was wondering if this is because their advancement was haulted.  When i was traveling in Italy one local joked there is Italy then thete is the South  LOL. I have heard people from northern Spain say the same about Spain. Greece obviously is not the Nation of classical Greece.

Iron Fortitude

Iron Fortitude

@Jay Mazella There’s North African and Middle Eastern admixture in the Southern European population. Additionally, the Germanics literally had the National Socialist party which was encouraging them to have tons of children and populate new lands. Furthermore, Germanics have higher average IQ, etc. Southern Europe is just a poor shithole that they would rather not remain in because North Western Europe is far better.

Once again – all of that was from a video about Ireland and the Irish.  Readers of this blog may be tired of me saying “Sallis is always right” but that’s just too bad – Sallis is always right.

Amusingly, one of the fetishists in that thread chastises an objecting “Med” – saying that this is an important topic regardless of how people like you (i.e., swarthoids) try to ridicule it.  As if discussion of racial admixture in Southern and Eastern Europe is being suppressed, and has not actually been discussed literally (and conservatively) thousands of times by now. If you want to consider a racial history topic that actually has been suppressed in Der Movement – that would be racial admixture in (Anglo-Scando-Germanic) Northern Europe, a topic which I’m sure Dutton will not be covering, with beer or otherwise.

I will assume that at least some readers of EGI Notes are racial nationalist types who are of Southern and/or Eastern European ancestry.  Let me take this opportunity to repeat advice previously given here – that there really is no place for any of you in Der Movement, Inc., you should, for the most part, eschew any participation in it, and instead focus your activist energies in other directions. I’ve been involved in all of this for a quarter-century, and I can tell you, with all honesty and sincerity, that, as regards the “official” American “movement” goes, you will never be taken seriously, never be treated with respect, never be considered as an equal, and you will never have the luxury of being confident that you will not ever be excluded based on ethnicity.

Now, the “for the most part” above is for the caveat that if you believe that your participation will be sufficiently significant that you can have a real impact on whatever corner of Der Movement you are in, and that you can actualize a truly pan-European mindset in that corner, then go ahead and do so, although I believe it is more likely than not that you will eventually be disappointed.  That aside, avoid Der Movement and all its works – definitely don’t be a low level rank-and-file stepandfetchit because you’ll always be working for someone else’s interests and not your for own.

What should you do? If you can find some real racial nationalist activity that is truly pan-European, independent of Der Movement, Inc., then certainly you should invest in that (but you should be aware that the Nordicists and various other fetishists will continuously attempt to hijack any such activity – they cannot abide any manifestation of racialist activity that professes beliefs different from their own). You can also support endeavors like EGI Notes, by spreading the word about the blog, linking to posts that you find useful, etc. You can promote whatever pan-European ideas and essays you may find, either my own or from anyone else. You can start your own blog, your own groupuscule, and build something to attract like-minded people. What will eventually be necessary is a pan-European New Movement – a real movement whose basic foundation of belief would be such that it would be impervious to any of the aforementioned attempts at ideological hijacking. Such a New Movement would be in opposition to the retarded fraud of Der Movement, Inc. 

After all, even if Der Movement was not hostile to you (and it is), do you really want to be associated with that bunch of grifters, idiots, and losers?  And associated with freaks calling themselves “Super Mega SS 88 Ultra Rightwing Purity Death Squad”- essentially like the parodies I make here?

The latest humiliation for them is another slap in the face from their Aryan Avatar Princess Taylor Swift (**).  Emphasis added:

“I always have and always will cast my vote based on which candidate will protect and fight for the human rights I believe we all deserve in this country,” Swift continued. “I believe in the fight for LGBTQ rights, and that any form of discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender is WRONG. I believe that the systemic racism we still see in this country towards people of color is terrifying, sickening and prevalent.”

Another public humiliation, another defeat, another embarrassment, another rejection.  Another in an endless series.  

*Dutton, never forget, is an HBDer and a Lynnite.  His “takedown” of Rushton, while seemingly laudable, may have been motivated by the same objectives as those liberals who have been leaking information about Saint Martin of King – to try and attenuate a response by getting out in front of a scandal and defusing it.  Rushton’s perfidy would have eventually come out in full, and could have discredited the HBD fraud; however, having an “honest” HBDer expose Rushton allows the HBD political movement to march on relatively unscathed.  Then there is the fact that Rushton was the main competition to Lynn as King HBD and with Rushton smeared in Der Movement it allows Tricky Dick to be solely worshipped once he too kicks the bucket.

*Yes, yes, I know – they’ll say that the Swift obsession was just “ironic trolling.”  Don’t buy that retconning for one minute. Go back several years and all the numbnuts were breathlessly speculating that Swift was a “secret Trump supporter” and her previous reluctance to talk about politics was indicative of “right wing views.”  Wrong, wrong, they’re always wrong.

The Unbearable Stupidity of HBD (and Greg Cochran)


When that old IQ-GDP correlation doesn’t quite go the way the HBDers want, they sure know how to wave their hands around and excuse subpar perfomances by their Asian darlings (you know, the folks who cheat on achievement tests and only report test scores from well-educated urban populations).

The arterosclerotic Greg Cochran says:

…bad choices (Communism), having the world kick you in the crotch (Mongols), or toxic intellectual fads can all make smart peoples unproductive.

Yes sir, the Chinamen (but not the Slavs, no siree) are held back by the legacies of Communism. And those poor pacifistic Mongols have been kicked in the crotch by the world, don’t you know.
I mean, even for a misanthropic retard like Cochran, that’s beyond delusional. Hey Greg, I don’t know, but maybe the Mongols have been more the kickers than the kickees when it comes to global crotches, eh?
If memory serves, I do believe the Mongols established a vast empire through brutal warfare, terror, and the slaughter of civilian populations, followed by the exaction of tribute from the conquered peoples. And all that wealth and power resulted in what, pray tell? The Mongols are unique in human history in having established a long-standing empire lacking in any foundational cultural idea or impetus whatsoever. Ethnic Mongol cultural achievements: zero.
Hey, fundamentally dishonest HBDers – if you want to pick peoples of whom it can be reasonably said that they’ve been “kicked in the crotch by the world” how about the Balkans? Russians (Mongol conquest, Communism and genocidal Jewish commissars, Hitler’s invasion, Jewish looting of the post-Soviet economy)? The Irish? Sicilians? How about the Basques?
Oh wait…they’re not Asian, so historical excuses don’t count, eh?

Against Lynn: First RLP Blog Post Reproduced Here

Answering Amren lies.

I see that Lynn has been defending his Italian IQ nonsense against Unz, which found its way on Amren in August 2012 – Amren of course always being willing to attack gentile white ethnics while being hysterically reticent to feature anything even remotely negative about Jews. Lynn’s understanding of population genetics and racial history is very poor, and features outrageous cherry-picking and misinterpretation of single locus data, along with a reliance on studies from the mid-1990s, along with the false claim that published findings agree with his Kempian cartoon-like imaginative “history.” Reality can be better observed with this more recent autosomal work, which is by Northern Italian authors who themselves use Lynnian rhetoric, but show data not compatible with Lynn’s misinterpretations and distortions. See here.

It is clear that Northern Italians have less of the Northern European-like component and more of the Near Eastern-like component than do Northern and Western Europeans. Central Italians have less of the Northern European-like component and more of the Near Eastern-like component than do Northern Italians and Southern Italians have less of the Northern European-like component and more of the Near Eastern-like component than do Central Italians. This in fact shows a very clear cline of gene frequencies, similar to what has already been shown by Novembre and colleagues (as well as others since then) – genes vary with geography. Looking at the data, it is clear that the three Italian groups are much more similar to each other than any are to the Northern and Western Europeans to the left or the Middle/Near Eastern and North African groups to the right. The relatively small differences are in the proportions of the genetic components and, again, it is clear that despite the differences, the Italian groups are remarkably similar to each other. Fst data from the same work support this; as is expected from clinal differences, Southern Italians are a bit closer to the Middle/Near East than are Northern Italians, but again, all Italian groups are very close to one another, and Southern Italians are genetically closer to Northern and Western European populations like CEU and French than to the Middle Easterners. 

Given the relatively small differences among Italian groups (looking at the data and not the breathless writing in the aforementioned manuscript), it would seem that if “low-IQ” Southern Italians are substantially “admixed” with Middle Easterners and North Africans, then the “high-IQ” Northern Italians are as well, albeit to a slightly lesser extent. But one does not need to invoke modern admixture to account for the bulk of these intra-European differences. This work [UPDATED NOTE: no longer online] suggests the possibility that Southern Europeans are predominantly of Neolithic European “farmer” origin and that Northern Europeans are a mix of that and earlier Mesolithic peoples, who had some affinities with East Asians.

From that work, the authors make the following conclusions about the overall genetic history of Europe:

1. The arrival of Neolithic farmers probably from the Middle East.

2. Nearly complete replacement of the indigenous Mesolithic southern European populations by Neolithic migrants, and admixture between the Neolithic farmers and the indigenous Europeans in the north.

3. Substantial population movement into Spain occurring around the same time as the archaeologically attested Bell-Beaker phenomenon (HARRISON, 1980).

 4. Subsequent mating between peoples of neighboring regions, resulting in isolation-by-distance (LAO et al., 2008; NOVEMBRE et al., 2008). This tended to smooth out population structurethat existed 4,000 years ago.

Thus: increased “Middle Eastern” Neolithic ancestry in Southern Europe, decreasing in a cline going northwards, and “isolation-by-distance” creating the smoother clines of gene frequencies observed in Europe today, and which are clearly shown in the Italian genetic data.

Now, one could argue that the Eurasian Mesolithic hunter gatherers were under greater selective pressure for intelligence, and, hence, populations with greater Mesolithic origin have higher IQs than the more Neolithic European groups. But there’s no need to invoke a mass, widespread historical admixture with modern Middle/Near Eastern and/or North African populations. Southern Italy no doubt has a bit more such modern admixture than Northern Italy, but the levels are small and cannot be invoked to explain Lynn’s purported IQ differences. Most of the genetic differences within Europe were likely in place by the end of the Neolithic.

With respect to the IQ issue, Lynn’s reliance on achievement tests and self-administered online IQ tests is laughable. gloaded IQ testing has shown that Sicilian children did not have lower IQs than Northern Italian children. Another group mentioned in the same link, using a cognitive assessment test, found IQs of 100.5, 101.2, and 103.1 in Northern, Central and Southern Italy, respectively. That’s not the final word on the subject, and it may well be possible that Northern Italians, with greater Mesolithic origins, do have a bit higher IQ than Southern Italians. But that has to be established via careful IQ testing, not Lynn’s bizarre use of non-g tests and online self-administered test data.  It’s unlikely that when the “dust settles” that Lynn’s conclusion of a 2/3 of a SD difference in IQ between Northern and Southern Italy will hold.  Lynn’s dogmatic and close-minded insistence on his original IQ claims, and the fanciful ancestry tales spun around those claims, does not reflect well on his commitment to serious academic scholarship.

But that’s to be expected from someone who “estimates” Irish IQ by averaging results from one test given to Irish children, with scores in the high 80s, and a different test given to Irish adults, with scores in the high 90s – giving an “average” in the low 90s. The almost comical absurdity of this – which may pass as “scholarly” in the oxymoronic “social sciences” – doesn’t past muster in real science, where averaging can be done only on real replicates.  You cannot average completely disparate data sets!

How would Lynn measure racial differences in running speed I wonder? Average Olympic sprinting times with that of five year olds running potato sack races in Kindergarten? The responsible approach to the Irish IQ data would be to attempt to evaluate why the findings were so different and which are more accurate. Even better – give the same standardized test to both Irish children and adults. But, no. As long as the “estimated” score falls into a preconceived notion of an IQ-GDP/achievement correlation, there’s no need to seek the truth. It’s all a shame, since the study of racial differences in intelligence and behavior is important, and needs to be carefully examined by real scientists, not by biased, addled ideological demagogues, who are “enabled” in their shocking pseudoscience by a cheering section with a vested interest in the “findings” thus generated.   IQ fetishists on the right and IQ deniers on the left are two peas in a pod. Neither deal in real science and scholarship.

HBD, Pseudoscience, and Sports

More HBD stupidity.

It is unfortunate that a commentator like Devlin, who usually produces intelligent pieces, takes Lynnian HBD flim flam seriously.

Besides Lynn’s usual stupidities* – using achievement tests to “estimate” IQ while ignoring real IQ data for the relevant regions (e.g., Italy**), “estimating” IQ by averaging (!) the results of two different IQ tests given to completely different age groups of a given population (e.g., Ireland), and making gross errors in assigning IQ scores (e.g., from Wikipedia: The datum that Lynn and Vanhanen used for the lowest IQ estimate, Equatorial Guinea, was taken from a group of children in a home for the developmentally disabled in Spain) – HBD seems to breed the sort of moronic “just so” stories that cross over into the realm of pseudoscience. 
What to make of this nonsense:

Certain sports even seem to favor clinal subgroups or crossings over any of the four fundamental racial groups. Cape Coloreds and South Asians are well-represented among successful cricket players, and this may be due to their middling physiques, in which neither ectomorphy not endomorphy nor mesomorphy predominate.

Well, let’s see how someone who is not a HBD cultist would evaluate this.

First, cricket is a sport of interest only to British Empire/Commonwealth peoples. If groups like Cape Coloreds and South Asians are “well-represented among successful cricket players” this is more likely due to default (not many other ethnies are interested in this sport) and due to the large population base of South Asians (of those teeming hordes, someone must be good at cricket), rather than to assume that “middling physiques” make groups better at a competitive sport.
Second, many of the skills required for cricket would be reasonably expected to be similarly required for American baseball, a sport mostly dominated (the few East Asian, Jewish, and mestizo outliers notwithstanding) by European-derived Whites, Negroes, and mulatto Hispanics (per capita vast over-representation by Cubans and Dominicans). 
Third, building on point two, we find that West Indians, who are racially West African, are also “well-represented among successful cricket players” despite deriving from a population base ~ two orders of magnitude smaller than that of South Asians.

From the mid-1970s to the early 1990s, the West Indies team was one of the strongest in the world in both Test and One Day International cricket. A number of cricketers considered among the best in the world have hailed from the West Indies: Sir Garfield Sobers, Lance Gibbs, Gordon Greenidge, George Headley, Brian Lara, Clive Lloyd, Malcolm Marshall, Sir Andy Roberts, Alvin Kallicharran, Rohan Kanhai, Sir Frank Worrell, Sir Clyde Walcott, Sir Everton Weekes, Sir Curtly Ambrose, Michael Holding, Courtney Walsh, Joel Garner and Sir Viv Richards have all been inducted into the ICC Hall of Fame.

Therefore, there is no reason to make hand-waving speculations about how certain sports like cricket are well-suited for “middling physiques.” Indeed, looking at the cricket-baseball comparison, the use of performance enhancing drugs in baseball suggests that non-middling physiques are better suited for both Anglosphere “bat and ball” sports.

*From Wikipedia: Lynn says he want to be remembered as “some loved him, some hated him, but everyone accepted that he kept the faith and told the truth as he saw it”
No, Richard, I think you are a complete fraud…unless “the truth as he saw it” means you are a doddering senile idiot. Either you are cognitively addled or mendacious.
**From Wikipedia: Other large surveys in Italy show much smaller differences in educational achievement.[63][64] Moreover, several subsequent studies based on the direct assessment of IQs failed to report significant differences among Italian regions. On the contrary, the results from the Southern half of the country are sometimes higher than those from the North Central regions.[65]