Category: Hungary

Political EGI VII: Orban’s Speech

Analyzing excerpts from an Orban speech.

I’ve been critical of Orban, but with his continued farstreaming and Jobbik’s continued mainstreaming, Orban may now represent the “far right” of Hungarian politics.  In addition, while I am dissatisfied with the more “implicit” aspects of Orban’s rhetoric, we must understand the limitations – de jure and de facto – for open, free speech in Europe, and the constraints that an elected political leader in the EU has in speaking the truth. Nevertheless, let us take a critical look at Orban’s public utterances.

There are three areas in which it is not enough to support processes, but in which we need a shift in scale, and the move to a fast track. One area is demography, in which we haven’t even reached a break-even point. It is some improvement that for married couples – or male-female couples in general – the fertility indicator expressing the nation’s demographic situation has risen from 1.2 to 1.44 children per couple, and this is promising, but 1.44 is still very far from 2. In order to feel safe demographically, the average statistical ratio of children to Hungarian couples should be 2.1. In practice this is hard to implement, but this is the average figure we should have. Until we reach that point, Hungarians must be seen as an endangered species demographically; and the people – but the Government above all – should understand the imperative which is implicit in this…

Obviously, any appeal to increasing native birthrates has a fundamental underlying foundation of genetic interests.  Using the term “endangered species” to describe any White group borders on ethnic/racial nationalism and is wholly a biological argument.  That may be as close as Orban currently believes he can approach the problem from the genetic standpoint.

…If we speak about a strong country, we must also mention public security. Today this means two things in particular: defence of the borders, and the ability to prevent terrorist attacks. There is no strong culture without a cultural identity.

Culture is of course important, but secondary to ultimate, genetic, biological interests.  Even better phrased: the biological and the cultural are intertwined and influence each other.

However much of a taboo one is breaking by saying it, there is no cultural identity in a population without a stable ethnic composition. The alteration of a country’s ethnic makeup amounts to an alteration of its cultural identity. A strong country can never afford to do something like that – unless some global catastrophe forces it to do so.

Yes, very good.  But – and this is crucial – a change in a country’s ethnic makeup should constitute a problem – indeed, THE problem – itself, and not just because it affects “cultural identity.”  Here, Orban places culture as the ultimate interests, and the ethnic makeup as a proximate concern that affects the ultimate one; whereas it should be the other way around. If it was somehow possible to preserve a Hungarian cultural identity even with population replacement – would that be alright to the likes of Orban?  The reply would be that such a situation would be impossible, but that’s not the point.  It is a thought experiment to explore, identify, and define priorities. Ethnicity or culture?  

Note I have no problem in invoking culture to defend ethnic genetic interests, nor do I lack understanding of the complexities that come with European speech laws and various other de jure and de facto restrictions.  But with Orban cutting so close to the edge here, one has to note the possibility that he sincerely places culture first, and is not only speaking this way out of necessity (which would obviously be more acceptable).

Over the next few decades the main question in Europe will be this: will Europe remain the continent of the Europeans? Will Hungary remain the country of the Hungarians? Will Germany remain the country of the Germans? Will France remain the country of the French? Or will Italy remain the country of the Italians? Who will live in Europe? 

That’s the ultimate existential question.  It is good that Orban is mentioning specific ethnic groups as the rightful inhabitants of specific nations – asking WHO will live in Europe. That is an EGI-loaded question.

This is a historical question which we must face up to today. As regards the specific situation – and this is quite telling about the world that we live in today – there’s no concrete, reliable information on the percentages of traditional indigenous Christians and the incoming Muslim communities living in Europe’s individual countries. In practice it is forbidden to gather information like this. And the data which is gathered is not adequate for us to predict what the future holds for us, as migrants, immigrants, are not evenly distributed throughout the different age groups. So the general figures say little about what awaits us. We should focus most on people under the age of 15, and also those between 15 and 45. From those figures we can project, we can calculate, what the situation will be like in each country in, say, 2050.

Looking ahead, unlike most politicians.  When you farstream, you are forced in that direction; conversely, when you mainstream, you are forced away from that direction. 

Naturally, when considering the whole issue of who will live in Europe, one could argue that this problem will be solved by successful integration. 

No, that’s exactly what we should NOT argue.  It doesn’t matter if aliens “integrate” – or, better yet, we do not want them and their alien genes to integrate.  We do not want them in our nations, carrying their alien genes, unintegrated either.  We do not want them at all.

The reality, however, is that we’re not aware of any examples of successful integration. It’s obvious that migration is not the answer to economic problems and labour shortages.

That’s true even if integration were to be successful.  “Economic problems and labor shortages” are not an excuse for genocidal race replacement.  The natives do not prosper by a “strong economy” when they are replaced by other peoples.  The Alt Right has correctly pointed out the Establishment hypocrisy: on the one hand, we must “save the environment” by having less children; on the other hand, we must import immigrants because Europeans don’t have enough children to “support the economy.”

Interestingly, people in Europe are least concerned about migrants taking their jobs. This probably reflects some form of personal experience.

If proximate concerns like that can motivate a defense of ethnic interests, fine, but of course the problem is much deeper than personal experience and personal grievance about job opportunities.

I can believe there are desperate situations, just like a castaway on the ocean finally giving in to the urge to drink seawater: it’s water, but it doesn’t quench one’s thirst, and only adds to the problem. This is more or less the situation in which those who want to cure their economic ills with immigrants will find themselves. In countering arguments for successful integration, we must also point out that if people with diverging goals find themselves in the same system or country, it won’t lead to integration, but to chaos. It’s obvious that the culture of migrants contrasts dramatically with European culture. Opposing ideologies and values cannot be simultaneously upheld, as they are mutually exclusive. To give you the most obvious example, the European people think it desirable for men and women to be equal, while for the Muslim community this idea is unacceptable, as in their culture the relationship between men and women is seen in terms of a hierarchical order. These two concepts cannot be upheld at the same time. It’s only a question of time before one or the other prevails.

Again, if these proximate concerns motivate ethnic defense, fine, but it obscures the question. If these migrants were 100% on board with current liberal European values, if they were seamlessly integrating, would race replacement – genocide – be alright then? We should be thankful they are not integrating well, that the experience for Europeans is painful enough to motivate ethnic defense. As Salter has written, the only thing worse than a multiculturalism that does not work is one that does.  How about talking about European ethnic-racial existence, rather than just culture?  I understand the practical implications for speech in Europe, but one could invoke the language of kin and family here.

Of course one could also argue that communities coming to us from different cultures can be re-educated. But we must see – and Bishop Tőkés also spoke about this – that now the Muslim communities coming to Europe see their own culture, their own faith, their own lifestyles and their own principles as stronger and more valuable than ours. So, whether we like it or not, in terms of respect for life, optimism, commitment, the subordination of individual interests and ideals, today Muslim communities are stronger than Christian communities. Why would anyone want to adopt a culture that appears to be weaker than their own strong culture? They won’t, and they never will! Therefore re-education and integration based on re-education cannot succeed.

Again, it is better that it does not succeed.  Stop talking only in terms of culture for godssakes.  There is room for rhetorical maneuver here, using careful language.  Why should Europeans be race replaced, regardless of “culture and integration?”

…there is a Soros plan. It comprises four points. He wrote it down himself, the Soros Empire published it and began recruitment for implementation of the plan. The plan says that every year hundreds of thousands migrants – and, if possible, a million – should be brought into the territory of the European Union from the Muslim world. The second point is that upon arrival every one of them should be given an amount in euros equivalent to four and a half million forints. The author of the plan would gladly finance this – but that is secondary, although it’s something that’s worth pondering. However, it’s not this, it’s not the business profit that’s the essence of the proposal, but the fact that in this way it’s possible to maintain a continuous influx. So those who want at least a million migrants to come in every year must maintain this mechanism – which in European political terminology is called a “pull factor” – so that they continue to come. And if they distribute them and everyone receives a sum – which is, in fact, higher than the Hungarian annual average wage – there won’t be a problem with reduced flow. The third point in the Soros plan is that the migrants arriving on the continent will have to be distributed among the countries of Europe as part of a mandatory and permanent mechanism.

Soros is of course a “HuWhite man of the West,” right?

A shrewd speaker should approach Universalist, faux-rationalist liberal Europeans and make the argument:

1. Universalism means that all peoples should have the same rights and should be cared for the same

2. You Universalists assert that genocide is wrong and you champion indigenous rights

3. Therefore, you must oppose European genocide – even auto-genocide – and champion the rights of indigenous Europeans

Of course, the Left, and much of the lemming-like masses, would reject such an overt argument, but that would force them to admit an irrational, inconsistent, hypocritical, anti-European worldview.

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Sallis is Right Again: Farstreaming

Orban moving right.

Read this.

Recall this?

Well, my comment that Jobbik is to Orban’s right no longer holds, because Orban has continued farstreaming to his right, while Jobbik has been mainstreaming to the center.  The two ships have passed each other on the sea of political rhetoric.

Outcome:

Orban farstreaming to the right = sailing to political success.

Jobbik mainstreaming to the center = sinking and hemorrhaging supporters.

Mainstreaming may be good in theory but has no empirical support in practice. Mainstreaming fails.  Pushing the radical envelope succeeds.  Sallis is correct…again.

Political EGI, Part II

Political EGI, Part II.

Let’s follow up a bit on this previous discussion.

Nationalist politicians of the so-called “Far Right” have consistently failed to incorporate forthright discussion of ultimate interests in their rhetoric, and I suspect that almost all of them never heard of ethnic genetic interests and have zero awareness of, much less understating of, Salter’s On Genetic Interests book. As we are getting close to the 15 year mark since the original publication of that work, this ignorance, and lack of utility, has no excuse, and underscores the intellectual vacuity of much of the Far Right.

Excuses about “hate speech laws” (for those nations where such exist) fail for two reasons: first, it should be possible to formulate EGI memes using language moderate enough to evade such laws (in many, albeit likely not all, cases), and, second, the right for free speech, the battle against such laws, should be a foundational plank in any Far Right political platform, but for the most part, nationalist politicians and activists do not take the issue, so they can hardly be justified in using in for an excuse for their failures.

Indeed, I would say this: any White nationalist politician that neglects the free speech issue is simply not serious.  In places like Europe, with “hate speech laws,” nationalist politicians worth anything will make free speech, and the repudiation of speech restrictions, a core fundamental plank of their worldview and their campaign; in America, the focus should be on (1) preventing any such laws here; and (2) fighting against de facto speech restrictions such as political correctness, private policing of speech, and leftist thuggery.  That’s all essential and one good test of the legitimacy of any nationalist political campaign: anyone who neglects these issues is not serious about significant change and lacks understanding of basic sociopolitical dynamics (it’s real hard to battle issues that are illegal to criticize, for example)

Getting back to EGI itself: the Far Right simply hasn’t made the slightest attempt to use EGI/Universal Nationalism and similar concepts as the foundational basis of nationalist politics.

True enough Le Pen and her supporters did skirt the issue with talk of “replacement.”  That’s a start, no doubt.  However, a few phrases uttered in the heat of a political campaign, designed to (cynically?) appeal to a base of supporters, is hardly any sort of fundamental statement of principle.

In the Netherlands and Austria there has been similar “dog whistling” regarding race and ethnicity, but the language can always be interpreted more in cultural/civilizational terms. Certainly there hasn’t been any talk that even remotely touches on the EGI argument.

“Preserving ethnic homogeneity” is important to Hungary’s economy, according to the prime minister, who said “life has proven that too much mixing causes trouble”.

He insisted the government “cannot risk changing the fundamental ethnic character of the country.

“That would not enhance the value of the country but downgrade it instead, and toss it into chaos.”

That’s good as far as it goes, but doesn’t go far enough.  “Hungary’s economy?”  Well, yes, I’m sure that importing Third Worlders and other aliens into Hungary isn’t going to help their “economy,” but that’s hardly the core of the problem.  Ultimately, from the standpoint of political EGI, Orban fails.

Hanson in Australia is similar to Western Europe with the “swamping” “dog whistling” that can be ascribed to culture but resonates ethnically with at least some supporters.

Brexit in the UK was also completely devoid of any direct racial basis. Alternative for Germany also does the same moderating “dog whistling.”  I guess something is better than nothing, but it’s not a huge degree better than nothing.

Moving in the more Far Right direction, I’m sure groups like Golden Dawn and other more “extreme” organizations take a more direct racial view, but insofar as I know they lack the solid empirical foundation given by an understanding of EGI.

But, look, even allegedly openly racialist groups and blogs in America and the rest of the Anglosphere do not understand EGI.  Even those blogs that pontificate about “European EGI” promote policies that would directly and irreparably harm that EGI, such as Asian colonization of White nations (not only destructive from a gross EGI standpoint but also from a net EGI standpoint – there is absolutely no need to have any Asians around whatsoever [apart from exciting the masochistic instincts of White omega males]).

What about the “God Emperor” and other outspoken mainstream “conservative” politicians in America?

Well, as regards Trump, we know that, besides some of his bombastic campaign rhetoric on immigration, and questioning Europe’s suicidal migration policy, his basic worldview has always been aracial civic nationalism, The idea that Trump would ever understand EGI, would be willing to even attempt understanding it (he may lack the intelligence to even understand the relevance of it), or would act upon EGI if he was aware of it and understood it, is absurd.

And we see Steve King’s ultimate disavowal of an ethnic-racial-genetic component, even though “culture and civilization” really is a proxy for biological demographics. King, like Trump, categorically fails with respect to the explicitly White EGI-focused worldview that is absolutely essential.

However, King clarified his original tweet, saying he made no mention of race and did not intend for his message to be taken in a racial way.

He said he meant to and only did mention “culture and civilization.”

“We are all God’s children. We are all created in his image,” King said, adding that the political left is the group who often characterizes situations by race.

Fail, fail, and fail. No one – repeat no one – on the rightist/nationalist spectrum anywhere in the White world promotes EGI/Universal Nationalism in the slightest degree, for the most part I’m sure they’ve never heard of it, and they wouldn’t understand it or agree with it even if they did understand it. And those elements foaming at the mouth about “European EGI” actually want Europeans to be subaltern cringing serfs to their Asian overlords.  

Again: Fail, fail, and fail.

Part III will continue this discussion when relevant information comes forth that sheds more light on this issue.

Your Daily Dose of Derbyshire, 9/18/16

The usual stupidity.

In his love-fest for Orban, does Derbyshire consider why “the Hungarian authorities” keep on wanting to prosecute Hungarian patriots for offending the poor little brown refugee darlings, whether the “Magyar heroes” are female reporters or male truck drivers?  Oh well, “Orban cannot control everything” but – how about what happened to Richard Spencer?

And a question for Derbyshire: what status to you think illegal aliens and their families should have in the nations they’ve invaded?  Should illegals be amnestied?  Should they be allowed to being foreign wives in?  Should their children have birthright citizenship?  If you answer “no” to any of these questions, I invite you to revisit your own American citizenship status.  You and the family can always renounce your citizenship and move elsewhere, China for example.

Pepe Weeps

You have not “arrived.”

I was going to post something yesterday that any grouping that includes any of the VDARE boys (as well as any “HBD race realists”) is “dead on arrival” but apparently currents events have caught up to the underlying reality.

And good to see the Alt-Right has really learned its lessons from the cancelled Budapest conference, as well as the problems every Amren conference, post-the-Hart-attack, has had that hasn’t been held in a government facility guarded by state police.


In all seriousness, I have two pieces of advice for the WN faction of the Alt-Right:

1. Cut ties with the VDARE-HBD-race realism faction.  Ideologically diverse “grand coalitions” always break apart under pressure, often at the worst possible moment.  Better an amicable separation now then a bitter one later. Unless, that is, you also believe in civic nationalism, reject racial nationalism, and espouse a relationship between Whites and Asians/Jews akin to Derbyshire’s “measured groveling” to “Rosie.”

2. Understand with finality the true level of extreme hostility the System has for you and your ideology.  Stop pretending that you’ll be treated as if you were John McCain or Mitt Romney. Look, the System is not interested in you, doesn’t really want to understand you and your ideology.  They just wanted to use you as a cudgel to beat Donald Trump with.  They’ve done so, and now your fifteen minutes of fame are over. You have not “arrived.”  Get over it, and if any of you guys really want your “God Emperor” to be elected, then you’ll accept the disinterest of the System for now, and just keep a lid on things for the next two months. After the election, do as you please.

Now, me, I really don’t care one way or the other.  I’m just a bemused (and racially inferior) observer of the “movement” scene.  Feel free to ignore all I have written (which I am sure you will do). But I am right you know.

Light From the East?

A little bit too naive.

Read this. I support most of the points of the article, but the author is perhaps a bit naive about Der Movement in “the West” so some mild fisking is required.

So what is Eastern Europe? In short, it is the last refuge of a living European tradition. It is the place where the unbroken, centuries-long line of a healthy national development has been able to survive in the consciousness of the people. If there is a place in Europe where all the golden eras of our civilization still can be felt, even merging with the current technological age and giving ground for a hope that new achievements — new European achievements — can be made, untainted by destructive impulses of Leftist liberalism, it is Eastern Europe, having survived the Communist years and showing promise of surviving even more vicious strains of the same ideology.

Kaalep perhaps is not aware that Der Movement, especially in the Anglosphere, generally has a low opinion of Eastern Europeans. Sure, they are considered better than Southern Europeans, but that’s a “left-handed compliment” if ever there was one. Native Southern Europeans are, after all, quite obviously the lowest form of racial stock on Earth, far inferior than even sub-Saharan Africans, Australian aboriginals, and Papuans. Anything is better than that. That doesn’t mean Eastern Europeans are actually taken seriously as being of true worth by the majestic heroes of Der Movement.

Low birth rates can be tackled and ultimately reversed by nationalist demographic policies. For example, there are the policies proposed by the Conservative People’s Party of Estonia (EKRE) that I helped to draft. First, parents would be rewarded with exemptions from income tax and extra retirement pay, which would increase with every child they raise. Second, if a young family is stuck in debt buying a home, the state would pay off one fourth of their mortgage for each child born. Third, the state must guarantee a place in kindergarten and school for each child, partly covering the educational costs. If young European children start to be valued on the governmental level, the continuation of our people will no longer be under a question mark.


Those are actually all great ideas. I wonder if Der Movement in the Anglosphere, and in non-Anglo Western European nations, is paying attention. Note to Der Heroes: eventually you need to stop agonizing over your calipers and racial histories, your Kali Yugas and Men Who can’t Tell Time, your “admixture percentages” and esoteric Evola-ism, and start paying attention to the real needs of real people, particularly when those needs overlap with real racial interests, such as pro-natal policies.

While our frontline against non-European invasion and liberal brainwashing runs across the border of Hungary…


Hungary? Will Mainstreaming Orban stop throwing WNs over his chicken-wire fence?

But we can also build a safe hub for Alt Right ideas to be freely exchanged, polished, and mirrored back to the West.

Like in Hungary, under Durocher’s Great God of Mainstreaming, Chicken-Wire Vik, who cancelled the NPI conference and unceremoniously booted Spencer out of the country? The same Hungary that is pressing charges against a poor native woman defending herself against migrant scum (“don’t kick at the brown darlings”)?

Ethnonationalism does not mean revisiting the historical conflicts between different European nations. On the contrary, facing a civilizational threat from outside Europe, nationalists can unite under their common European identity and find peaceful ways to solve those conflicts of the past. If there is a place in the world where this is possible, it must be Eastern Europe. There are already signs of relaxation between historical enemies such as Hungarian and Romanian, Polish and Lithuanian nationalists.


Any concrete evidence of said relaxation?

HBD in the News, 5/2816

Two items.

Here Breezy talks about one of his favorite topics – PISA tests. PISA tests are one of those things that high-IQ, law-abiding East Asians love to cheat on and which Tricky Dick likes to use to “estimate” IQ scores. These tests will now include:

The next round of international Pisa tests will test the skills needed to live and work alongside people of different cultures

Assuming Asians don’t cheat on that, how will they fare? On the one hand, they are sure good at invading White nations as “immigrants” and impressing HBD nerds with their ability to get good grades through robot-like studying and memorization, and their ability to mimic Whites by playing the violin.
On the other hand, they are White-hating ethnocentrics. Oh well, it seems like they will have to cheat on these tests after all.

This series of unqualified successes brought the vast Mongol army to Hungary in March 1241. King Bela IV fled his palace in Pest (now part of Budapest), and Ogodei’s armies slaughtered an estimated 1 million Hungarians: troops, clerics, nobles, knights, and peasants. It was one of the bloodiest defeats of the medieval period.

Can Hungary get reparations from Mongolia and China?