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A new direction?

I agree with much of what Spencer said there in the video.  I too disdain ethnonationalism, but I strategically support Salter’s universal nationalism given the position of utter weakness that “our side” finds itself in.

I am hoping that Spencer is using his enforced down time to reassess his ideology and his approach, to re-emerge in the future with a new, better direction.

But, Richard, you need to ditch the Alt Right, drunken podcasts, Pepe and Kek, Trump worship, Der Movement Inc. and its fossilized dogma.

Talk of “power and empire” falls flat if it is the context of the stupidities just mentioned.  Grand talk of Imperium comes out badly when muttered by Beavis-and-Butthead.

Do better.  A good start would be the material at EGI Notes and Western Destiny.


I also see that he’s been trying to get AltRight.com online, which is reasonable, and still doing the Beavis-and-Butthead podcasts with the usual crew, which is not. Apparently, he has learned little, and understood nothing.

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Take that, Arktos and Richard Spencer!  Meanwhile, Counter-Currents continues to pretend that Bolton’s Yockey biography doesn’t exist.

Absolutely disgusting.

John Doe
Posted May 25, 2018 at 4:26 am | Permalink
Great to see that Jorjani is working with Counter-Currents and getting away from the unfortunate elements of the “movement”.

Let’s not forget this from that Swedish Counter-Currents forum speaker, Patrik Hermansson:

I manage to convince Jason Reza Jorjani, co-founder of AltRight Corporation and editor of Arktos Media, to meet for a drink. I’m sitting across from him in an Irish pub in the shadow of the Empire State Building. The first thing he said was: “You’re not in touch with Greg [Johnson], are you?”

I assure him I’m not, knowing he would leave if he ever found out I had spent the last month getting to know people on the other side of the split, some of whom had recently accused Jorjani of being a CIA agent. “It’s like the SA and the SS,” Jorjani said. “A Night of the Long Knives is coming though.”

Now Jorjani and Johnson are buddies again, because…Richard Spencer.

 

Der Movement, Der Movement, Der Movement marches on.

Further, it is highly disturbing that the likes of Greg Johnson and Richard Spencer fail to understand the damage done to serious racial nationalism by their enabling of someone who peddles pseudoscientific nonsense and gnostic “traditionalist” fantasies.  Do they really think intelligent, well-read, educated, empiricists want to be associated with “the pyramids of Atlantis were built by psychokinesis?”  The Spectral!  The Spectral! (Theme music from Ghostbusters playing in the background).

The domination of the “movement” by Type I activists was, is, and remains an unmitigated tragedy.  They have no sense whatsoever, no common sense, no innate “feel” for what any reasonably same person would consider appropriate or inappropriate.  “Normies” will think racial nationalism – or ethnic nationalism for you knuckle-dragging ethnonationalists – is strange enough, if you are going to combine it with crazed ramblings fit for a D-grade sci/fi-fantasy novel, then forget about it. The System continuously tries to associate racial activism with pseudoscience and fantasy.  How much easier for them when Der Movement actually does exhibit those tendencies and taints the honest efforts of others.

High-Information Moralizing

And some very important questions at the end.

Consider some of the comments here.

CounterCurrentsTV

CounterCurrentsTV

2 days ago (edited)

You are one of the dishonorable Orc shills that I mentioned in the podcast. Shame on you.

“Orc.”  Apparently, Johnson wrote that “snug in his hobbit hole” out in the forest, where there is “de facto anarchy,” as opposed to the “centralized authority” of the capital.  Lots of maturity there.  I suppose at some point an analysis needs to be done about this whole Lord of the Rings fetish.  Is it an ethnic/subracial thing?  Or just the Type I/Type II divide?

Will to Power

Will to Power

2 days ago (edited)

@CounterCurrentsTV Good to know that you and many others prioritize putting personal vendettas and petty squabbling ahead of what’s in the best interests of the movement. Let’s be honest here, because that’s what this is. Granted I’m not privy to private conversations, but from an outsider’s perspective this looks appalling on your end. And before you go ahead accusing me of being a Spencer shill as well, I’m not. There is a nuanced position to take in this whole affair, and Millennial Woes embodies that perfectly. I don’t have any particular favoritism in this scenario and I really like the both of you two. That’s the case for many people, I’m sure, which is what makes this whole situation so regrettable. Spencer isn’t going anywhere, you’re not going anywhere, Alt-Hype isn’t going anywhere, so the sooner you all come to terms with that reality and restore relations, at least to the point where you don’t dread crossing paths at conferences, the better the movement will be for it. In other words, please pluck your fucking stubborn heads from your behinds, because this is all becoming extremely distasteful.

 

CounterCurrentsTV

CounterCurrentsTV

2 days ago

You don’t recall, huh? Perhaps you should inform yourself before you engage in this kind of low-information moralizing.

There we go again with his favorite phrase “low-information moralizing.”  In my case, I have recently attempted to increase the information content of my moralizing by reading material on, and listening to podcasts on, all the moronic “movement” feuds, scandals, and personal problems, including, but not limited to, such wonderfully moralizing things as “ghoulish” bodypart photos, “fashy” facebook groups, whether or not “movement” celebrities are or are not Jewish, etc., and I have to say that after diving into the “movement” sewer that I prefer to be “low information” thank you very much. Some types of information can’t be unseen or unlearned.  By the way, Der Movement Inc. is so utterly and despicably disgusting that anyone involved in it has no right to cast aspersion on its critics. Clean up your own house first.

Disappointed Englishman

Disappointed Englishman

1 day ago

Richard has admitted that the campus speech tour approach was a mistake — but don’t forget these speeches were at one point quite successful, so it is only since Charlottesville that they became too difficult to do. He is not vainglorious, and he is the public face of the Altright. I accept Greg in the movement, as long as he knuckles down under Richard Spencer and Greg Conte.

Disappointed Englishman

Disappointed Englishman

1 day ago

I wonder if I am the one in this thread labelled an Orc Shill by GJ (Hail, Johnson! Hail Victory!) Look I’ve acknowledged that GJ is a good white identitarian doing a lot of good stuff – I just called for him to drop the vendetta against RS. Indeed this is part of the reason why gay leaders are inadvisable — they bring personal cattiness and bitchiness with them. GJ is demonstrating, personally, the very reason why he should not be “the leader”. As a follower, GJ, welcome aboard.

Disappointed Englishman

Disappointed Englishman

1 day ago

CounterCurrentsTV edited his comment. His comment, in my inbox, read initially: “You are one of the dishonorable Orc shills that I mentioned in the podcast. Shame on you: lying and shilling for that sociopath. Spencer is cancer. “Mistakes have been made” is a nice passive way of saying that Spencer has made catastrophic errors of judgment. These errors are not flukes. They spring from a deeply flawed — narcissistic, dishonest — character. The movement would be better off if Spencer simply retired. ”

Honestly? Richard Spencer is cancer? Richard Spencer is a sociopath? This is just a handbags-at-dawn camp attack.

 

Corporation Camp

Corporation Camp

1 day ago

I have been following this petty beef between Greg and Spencer for years. It has always come from Greg’s side tbh.

Disappointed Englishman

Disappointed Englishman

1 day ago

Yes. Richard Spencer always avoids this stuff in his podcasts.

CounterCurrentsTV

CounterCurrentsTV

1 day ago

The bottom line is: I think the movement would be stronger if Spencer simply retired. He has a track record of terrible decisions, with disastrous consequences. These are not random and accidental. They flow from his bad character. He’s vain, sociopathic, impulsive, dishonest, and self-indulgent. Furthermore, he’s not even an advocate of White Nationalism. He denigrates ethnonationalism and praises the EU and the USSR. He’s simply an incoherent shill for Russian geopolitical interests. Why does Spencer support Putin’s war against “Nazis” (genuine White Nationalists) in Ukraine, but then ruin NPI with Nazi rhetoric and Hitler salutes? If there is a coherent agenda there, it is anti-white. He’s also a terrible spokesman: rambling, inarticulate, and half-baked. Beyond that, Spencer’s one enduring achievement is that he has somehow corrupted otherwise perfectly decent people into being grotesque liars and shills, like “Disappointed Englishman.”

Let’s take a closer look at this last comment.

The bottom line is: I think the movement would be stronger if Spencer simply retired.

I agree.  However I go further and say the “movement” would be even stronger if Johnson, Taylor, Brimelow, Dickson, Duke, TRSMajority Rights, Roissy, et al. all retired as well.

He has a track record of terrible decisions, with disastrous consequences.

Like letting “extremely vetted” meetings get infiltrated multiples times by ludicrously transparent infiltrators?  Like banning people who were not only long-time commentators but also writers for your website?  By getting wholesale on the Trump train, to the extent of stating that he would enact real pro-White demographic change, but never admitting your error?

These are not random and accidental. They flow from his bad character. 

Indeed.

He’s vain, sociopathic, impulsive, dishonest, and self-indulgent.

Indeed, again.

Furthermore, he’s not even an advocate of White Nationalism.

Neither is Johnson, who is an ethnonationalist advocating the possibility of Europeans ethnically cleansing each other.

He denigrates ethnonationalism….

Which supports, and not refutes, Spencer being a White nationalist.  WN is, by definition, nationalism primarily based on race and NOT on ethnicity.

…and praises the EU and the USSR. 

I agree with Johnson’s criticisms here.

He’s simply an incoherent shill for Russian geopolitical interests. 

Perhaps.

Why does Spencer support Putin’s war against “Nazis” (genuine White Nationalists) in Ukraine, but then ruin NPI with Nazi rhetoric and Hitler salutes?

I supported the Ukraininan nationalists, but let’s be honest, they were used to advance a globalist agenda.  Perhaps Spencer was right about that.

If there is a coherent agenda there, it is anti-white. 

Oh, you can say that about the entirety of Der Movement, Inc.

He’s also a terrible spokesman: rambling, inarticulate, and half-baked. 

As opposed to?

Beyond that, Spencer’s one enduring achievement is that he has somehow corrupted otherwise perfectly decent people into being grotesque liars and shills, like “Disappointed Englishman.”

And they’re “crazy and bitter” too!

Disappointed Englishman

Disappointed Englishman

1 day ago

Greg, you claim Richard has bad character, but this video and your comments here provide evidence of your bad character. Honestly. Comments that Richard is cancer, etc. Please up your game! Do you accept that it is not right for a gay man to lead the identitarian right?

CounterCurrentsTV

CounterCurrentsTV

1 day ago

Nobody takes you seriously, orc.

The Ring!  The Ring!  De facto anarchy in the provinces!

Here are the questions alluded to above.  The primary question, and one that should have been asked of Johnson, but was not, is this:

If Richard Spencer is an incoherent, vain, sociopathic, impulsive, dishonest, and self-indulgent cancer, then how has he so quickly risen to a position of high prominence in the “movement?” 

We have to admit that he has surpassed Duke and Taylor as the most well-known Far-Right activist on the American scene, and that he has significant influence and a wide array of allies and adherents.  Doesn’t this mean that Der Movement is full of vain, impulsive, dishonest, self-indulgent sociopaths who would, naturally, accept someone embodying those traits as their leader?  You can’t have it both ways – that Spencer is such a horrible human being but at the same time the “movement” that so readily accepts him is fundamentally healthy.  Either Spencer is not that bad or Sallis is 100% correct about Der Movement, which means that your own character is suspect for your over-the-top critiques of “crazy and bitter” Ted.

Let’s ask more questions.  

If you believe that Spencer is as bad as you say, then doesn’t that mean that the “movement” in which he is a prominent leader must be broken beyond repair?  Doesn’t it mean that Sallis is correct in his characterization of Der Movement as an inept and dishonest chronic failure?  Doesn’t it mean that most American Alt Righters are feckless peabrains, easily manipulated and unable to distinguish true leadership from false?

Isn’t it true that there is an affirmative action program in the “movement” that benefits the likes of Spencer (and you as well), based on ethnic origins?

Further, what does it say about your judgment, and that of Taylor, Brimelow, Derbyshire, and the rest of “the boys” that you all were fooled by Spencer for years and you all wanted a “big tent” Alt Right including Spencer? Why should any of us trust your judgment now?

More SLC News

In Der News.

Primate Negress and Neo-Marxist legal group censors Spencer.  I despise the Alt Right for making a mockery of racial activism, but I support their free speech rights, and would certainly choose Spencer to support over some alien Africaness.

Spencer and company have legitimate grounds to sue, tortious interference for starters; if this censorship is targeted only to pro-White groups, leaving alone Colored extremists, then extending the interference to discriminatory grounds is possible.

The objection would be: no money for lawyers.  Yes, keep on giving the lion’s share of “movement” money to keep the Happy Penguins and Latrine Flies Derbyshire living well, that’s the ticket, right?  There IS money, it’s just not going to Spencer and other hard-liners.  Whose fault is that?  Blame yourselves, Der Movement rank-and-file.  Another objection: can’t find a lawyer. If Der Movement had taken the advice, given, literally, for decades (two of them in my case), from some people to first build an infrastructure (including a designated legal team) and then engage in public hijinks, this situation would not exist.  Spencer needs to get back online first, second, needs to successfully deal with the lawfare suits targeting him, and then really needs to concentrate on infrastructure building – Richard, you need more folks on your side wearing suits and ties in courtrooms and fewer morons dressed like Captain America in the streets of Charlottesville.

Jewliani believes that “men are disposable” (including him?), but Milady Mantis Head Ivanka is untouchable.  I guess that’s the “fundamental premise” in action. I note that Rudy’s pussy pedestalization hasn’t prevented him from careening from one failed marriage to another.

So, we need a “big tent” strategy, but Charlottesville failed because it was open to the entire Right? Basically: whatever Spencer does is wrong.  Hypocrisy: it’s good that people don’t “shut down” Johnson when he criticizes them; on the other hand, if someone criticizes Johnson, he bans them from his website.  Fair point about GoDaddy – but that’s the price of affirmative action, no prudence, no planning, no common sense. Johnson is also correct about comments sections, including the legal implications. Johnson is also correct about free speech, consistent with my thoughts on this matter.

Is (as Johnson asserts) Taylor doing a service by dividing Jews by being pro-Jewish?  What about dividing Whites by being anti-White ethnic?  My problem with Amren in regard to this is not that they are Jew-friendly.  After all, they’ve been that way even when I was writing for them, and I accepted it as a strategic approach similar to what Johnson is talking about.  My problem is with them being pro-Jewish and at the same time anti-White ethnic.  And all the “yellow supremacist” talk just adds to it; in other words, Jews and Asians are considered high caste and White ethnics are low caste (in the case of the swarthoids, untouchables).  It’s the double standard that’s the problem.  If you are going to be accepting of Jews and avoid any and all criticism of Jews, then probably you should extend the same courtesy to all of the native peoples of Europe.  It’s not “White advocacy” to value Levantines and Orientals over Europeans.

Jewish “WNs” driven away from Amren because of MacDonald, as per Cofnas?  Nonsense.  The rabbi left because his Jewish school gave him a choice – us or them.  The other Jews left after the Duke-Hart dust-up, blame that on Duke and Hart, not MacDonald.  Finally, the Jews in Amren were destructive: Hart promoting a multiracial “White separatist state” or Levin saying that racial preservation for its own sake is “insane,” or Weissberg promoting the “racial status quo.”  And one can only imagine where Derbyshire got the “latrine flies” insult from.

Johnson hates snobs?  The lack of self-awareness is amazing.  And the supporter of intra-European ethnic cleansing denounces “imperialism” and “genocide.”  And is “drinking and drugs” really the worst “degeneracy” in the “movement?”

Robert Griffin goes semi-Nordicist.  It was just a matter of time, I guess.  Does he really think that the System supports White ethnics and is only against Nordics?  


Sailer cites 23andMe stupidities.

This retardation manifests when people start taking seriously low percentage results – I’m 4.2% this or 0.2% that – seriously, particularly at the 50% confidence rating that’s the default setting at the site.  Needless to say, the “timing the date of admixture” feature is equally ludicrous.  What’s going on with 23andMe is the same principle as Der Movement’s stupidities on race: turning legitimate science into trashy garbage tends to delegitimize the legitimate science, because the run-of-the-mill idiot is unable to distinguish science from trash.  So, biological race is real, population genetics can be interesting, and genetic kinship is fundamental to genetic interests.  But then people look at 23andMe nonsense, get confused, angry, misled, and/or disgusted, and then think the whole idea of racial genetics is nonsense, rather than the company’s product itself.  Likewise, racial science is real, and racial history is real, but Der Movement makes a mockery of it with HBD and Kempism, so many people get disgusted once they realize how they’ve been misled. Instead on turning against HBD or Kemp, they instead turn to “spiritual race” theories, like Yockey and Evola did when confronted with the nonsense of their time (Guntherism and calipers).

In Der News

Odds and ends in der news.

Some old news, but still relevant.

The USA continues to follow the insane directives, promoted especially by the Obama administration, to continue to decrease yields of US nuclear weapons.  Last I read, they wanted to get rid of all the low megaton range B83s – which themselves can’t destroy deep targets – and replace them with low yield “dial-a-yield” weapons.  I have nothing against the “dial-a-yield” concept, as long as megaton range yields are included in the spectrum, which was NOT the case for the leftist Obama-pansy military planning.  Meanwhile, Russia continues to have high-yield weapons, and with improving accuracy.  They’ll be able to take out fortified targets, while US bombs would be hard-pressed to mimic Hiroshima.  Another example of Western weakness and degeneracy – but let’s put ‘Western” in scare quotes.

“Even nuclear weapons have limited effectiveness at destroying the deepest or widely separated underground bunkers,” reads a 2005 report from the Union of Concerned Scientists. “For example, an earth penetrating weapon using the 1.2 megaton B83 warhead—the highest yield weapon in the U.S. nuclear stockpile—could crush underground bunkers to a depth of about 1000 feet. Deeper bunkers can be constructed with modern tunneling equipment, and are essentially invulnerable to nuclear attack.”

Pan-Europeanists = early Rome.
Ethnonationalists – Greek city states. Didn’t Stoddard compare WWI with the Peloponnesian War?
Excerpt of comment from AltRight.com:

I prefer Spencer’s speeches to Jared Taylor citing stats about how Jews and Asians are smarter than Huwhites.

Der Movement’s Dangerous “Minds”

SLC News.

In an otherwise fine book review and analysis by Johnson, we find two disturbing bits.

First:

This is why I don’t regard Alexander Dugin and Richard Spencer as contributing anything to White Nationalism, which is the advocacy of ethnic self-determination for all white peoples. 

That’s an incredibly misleading, actually mendacious, description of what White Nationalism is, essentially equating White Nationalism as the sum of all the various intra-White ethnonationalisms added together.  Instead, what most honest people in the “movement” consider by “White Nationalism” is exactly what the term literally implies – a form of nationalism centered on race rather than ethnicity; the ORION principle: Our Race Is Our Nation.  Thus, for White Nationalists, the ultimate form of nationhood, and the highest form of national allegiance, is to the race as a whole; individual ethnic allegiances are secondary.  In this sense, White Nationalism is the antithesis of narrow ethnonationalism.

Instead, they are simply apologists for Russian imperial revanchism. 

Dugin yes.  But Spencer?  That’s going too far.  By the way, who has it been promoting the work of Dugin over the years?  All the Type Is out there, all the “traditionalists,: certainly not me.

Spencer regards ethnonationalism as “petty”….

He’s right about that. 

…siding with the UK against Scottish independence, the EU against Brexit, and Spain against Catalan independence. 

I disagree with Spencer here and go along with Yockey: In an Imperium there can be whatever local autonomy people wish, and if Scots and Catalans (or whoever) want such autonomy, fine, as long as all these regions and micro-nations are confederated into the Imperium.

But although he opposes the UK leaving the EU, he opposes Ukraine joining it. He praises the EU as a transnational, imperial organization — but not NATO. 

Spencer can explain his UK vs. Ukraine views himself.  The EU in principle is not a bad idea; its execution is globalist and anti-White, so I oppose it.

Clearly, he is more interested in shilling for Russian geopolitical interests than in setting forth a coherent moral and political framework for white survival.

Is White survival instead advanced by setting forth coherent moral and political frameworks of White nations ethnically cleansing each other?

Then we have this:

Beiner then quotes Spencer denouncing “fucking middle class” values and proclaiming “I love empire, I love power, I love achievement.” We even learn from a Jewish female reporter that Spencer will sometimes “get a boner” from reading about Napoleon.

If any of that is true, what can I say that I haven’t said before?  All you Type I Nutzis and heavy breathing fetishists out there are responsible for that, you are the ones who enable the affirmative action program.  You made your bed so now lie in it (albeit not along with Spencer reading about Napoleon).

SLC News, 3/27/18

In der news.

I’m no fan of Johnson, but the action of the gym is despicable.

The Far Right Seattle community should just pitch in and buy weights and whatever equipment and set up their own gym is some space, for their own people.  Tin cup panhandling could pay for it, I suppose.  Just make sure Hermansson and Lewis don’t show up.

If you want to build “community” you can start with your own gyms, instead of using commercial gyms co-owned by whining Jews.

Yet another objective, ethnically disinterested post by Dienekes Pontikos.

Read this.

We put Trump in office. We elected a renegade candidate. We achieved what many thought impossible. The entire establishment opposed him, the corporate overclass opposed him, the lying press opposed him, but we elected him anyway. And yet fascinatingly, incredibly, public policy hasn’t really budged even a tick with him in office. What do we actually have to show for it? I mean, is there anything, anything at all? A Muslim ban that isn’t even close to an actual Muslim ban? A budget-busting mega-bill that pays for walls in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon and Tunisia, but allocates not one cent for a wall along our own southern border? How many millions in aid dollars to China, a nation with a booming economy and a GDP that surpassed ours a year or two ago? A massive tax giveaway to the rich, written by banksters and oligarchs? John Bolton and the resurrection of the Bush regime? Nothing meaningful has changed. Nothing meaningful at all. It’s sheer black pill.

Roissy’s alpha male.

When Trump invited her to his suite, he boasted about being on the cover of a magazine, and she wasn’t impressed, she said. After telling Trump, “Someone should take that magazine and spank you with it,” she did exactly that, Clifford told Cooper.

Yes sir, nothing says “alpha male” like being spanked, with a magazine with your own picture on it, by some low rent porn star.

This fat embarrassment Trump isn’t even doing the one thing for which I supported him and voted for him: causing racial balkanization and societal chaos.  Anti-Trump hatred remains, but it is now merely personal and political, not racial-based, and we’ve reached the point that some leftists view Pence’s religiosocial conservatism with more alarm than Trump’s milksop bumbling.  

Apparently, Mudshark Annie does not trust Trump any more.  Roissy weeps.

Behold your leadership. Hail Pepe!  Hail Kek!

That pug looks brachycephalic and thus not a true Nordic.  To the ovens with you!